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Merged 8.8 quake in Sendai, Japan

Maybe I was thinking about Minami Sanriku.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2gHB-SRCBE

This is video footage of people on top of the hospital while the surrounding town is completely flooded/destroyed.

I seem to remember some video showing those people being taken off the top of the building. Could someone post it if they can find it?

Off-topic but I'm listening with earphones and the left one has the Japanese sound while the right one has English. It's a weird sensation. Also, the English seems to be an automated announcement and not a translation of what the Japanese are saying.
 
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Off-topic but I'm listening with earphones and the left one has the Japanese sound while the right one has English. It's a weird sensation. Also, the English seems to be an automated announcement and not a translation of what the Japanese are saying.

On CNN we are seeing endless images of infernos all over the place. Other than the petro-chemical plants, what is the situation with fire
 
Off-topic but I'm listening with earphones and the left one has the Japanese sound while the right one has English. It's a weird sensation. Also, the English seems to be an automated announcement and not a translation of what the Japanese are saying.

That's right. One is an automated warning in English, Chinese and then later in Korean and Portugese that was playing on a loop for most of the crisis.

The newscasters themselves are talking about the damage done to Minami Sanriku and which buildings are left standing and then... "Ah! I can see some people on the roof [屋上]!"
 
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Maybe I was thinking about Minami Sanriku.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2gHB-SRCBE

This is video footage of people on top of the hospital while the surrounding town is completely flooded/destroyed.

I seem to remember some video showing those people being taken off the top of the building. Could someone post it if they can find it?
The water went over at least 2-story buildings.
 
China sending in rescue teams, Japan sent teams to help in the last major quake in China. I guess that's cause their cultures are so insensitive to the plight of individuals.
 
My God!

This is Rikuzentakata. The place has been completely levelled except again for perhaps the hospital.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mK7Lr9ZfHzk

Ah! I think he said it was the city office.

Wow. Yes, there was a scene of a helicopter rescue there. There were people on the roof of the hospital (I think). It looked like some were nurses in uniform. There may have also been a similar rescue from the city office building roof.
 
Wow, that sort of crap is just reprehensible.

I got a feeling that none of the major news networks are covering themselves with glory in their coverage of this.
THe Media critics are going to have a field day with the flubs I have seen on all three of the major news networks.
 
The Canadian Nuclear Society has issued a statement on some of the claims made in the Canadian media by a representative of the anti-nuclear movement:

CNS Response to Gordon Edwards

This is a response from the Alberta Branch of the Canadian Nuclear Society to comments made by Mr. Gordon Edwards concerning the events at the Fukushima-I nuclear power generating station, in Japan. It was written by Dr. Susanna Harding, with the assistance of Duane Pendergast, head of the Alberta Branch, and Jeremy Whitlock, Chair of the Education and Communications Committee

History of the plant: The reactor in question was ordered by Tokyo Electric Power Company (TEPCO) in 1965, with construction beginning in 1966. The plant first went critical in October of 1970 and was formally commissioned and put into operation on March 26, 1971. It is a General Electric BWR-3 (boiling water reactor) with an electric power output of 460 megawatts. Over the years it has operated quietly and without incident, but due to its age had been scheduled for decommissioning on March 26, 2011. It is a first generation BWR.

Plant characteristics: This type of plant has a steam generator directly over the nuclear core, with that steam then piped directly to the turbine driving the electric generator. This has certain thermodynamic advantages although at the cost of enhanced maintenance issues. The pressure vessel which houses the reactor core is equipped with electrically driven circulation pumps as well as with a steam driven emergency circulation pump. There exists a system for direct injection of water (ECCS, or Emergency Core Cooling System) which does not depend on electrical power. The entire reactor assembly is housed in a concrete containment structure designed to prevent the release of radioactive material in the event of a breach of the pressure vessel or the associated plumbing. This plant has emergency diesel generators for use when other forms of electrical power are not available.

Safety features: The plant is designed using a "defence in depth" concept. The nuclear fuel is encapsulated in zirconium alloy fuel rods (or pins) designed to contain fission products and gasses produced during operation. Even though water is circulating around these fuel rods, the encapsulation prevents the radioactive material from being taken up into the water. The reactor is equipped with several types of cooling system, at least two of which do not require electrical power to operate. The entire assembly is contained in the pressure vessel, which houses the reactor and which can be isolated from the generator turbine in event of emergency. The control rods mechanisms are designed to shut down the reactor in event of loss of power. Finally, the entire system in enclosed in a purpose-built structure, the containment, intended to keep that which is inside, inside.

Cooling and Meltdowns. A nuclear reactor continues to produce heat even after the reactor is shut down. In order to maintain safe conditions this heat must be removed. Normally this is done with electrically driven circulation pumps which drive cooling water through the core and take the heat to a heatsink. If the water level in the core drops below the top of the fuel, the exposed fuel (which is no longer being cooled) will heat up and warp. In extreme cases this could result in rod failure, thus releasing fission products into the cooling water. However in no case can this result in a nuclear explosion or detonation. The amount of heat generated decreases over time as the more volatile radioactive materials within the core decay, following a trend known as a "decaying exponential curve".

Venting and ECCS. If it becomes necessary to use the ECCS then the pressure within the reactor pressure vessel must be decreased to ambient pressure. This is because use of the ECCS assumes no electrical (or steam) power is available to drive pumps that could force water into the pressure vessel against a head of steam. Venting is normally done in two steps, not both of which might be necessary. First, the reactor pressure vessel is vented into the containment. Then, if necessary, the containment is vented through filters to the outside. At this point gravity fed water can be injected or (as is happening at Fukushima) water supplied by a fire truck can be used to cover the reactor core and cool it.

Fukushima and Chernobyl. The Fukushima-I reactor is a water moderated boiling water reactor. The Chernobyl RBMK reactor was a graphite moderated boiling water reactor. In the Chernobyl incident the reactor was driven into an unstable operating regime by operator action. The RBMK reactor then had an uncontrolled power spike of 100 times full power which blew the roof of the reactor building off (there was no containment structure) and exposed a glowing hot mass of graphite (carbon) to the atmosphere. The resulting chemical fire of carbon mixed with radioactive material burned for several days with results that are well known. The ensuing blast destroyed any capability to cool or control the RBMK reactor. At Fukushima there is no carbon, nothing to burn, such a scenario is not possible here. The Fukushima reactor underwent a controlled shutdown and maintains the capability to be controlled and cooled.

Fukushima and Three Mile Island. TMI-I was a pressurized water reactor (PWR) supplied by Babcock and Wilcox. Due to operator error and poor design the reactor was driven into a state where the core was unintentionally exposed. Without cooling the tops of the fuel assemblies warped and some ruptured. While this was fatal to the use of that facility (and expensive to the shareholders) very little radioactive material was released into the environment. This is very similar to what would happen at Fukushima if the core were to be exposed.

Seawater cooling. News reports have that the reactor at Fukushima is being cooled with seawater, pumped in by fire truck. In order to do this, it is necessary to vent the reactor pressure vessel sufficiently that the pump can move the water into the core. Additionally, the seawater which is being used is doped with boric acid. Boron is a neutron absorber, and it is standard operating procedure in circumstances such as this to add boron in order to ensure that the core stays dead, and to aid in suppressing residual heat generation.

Prognosis. News reports have that there has been damage to the containment building, though there have been conflicting news reports indicating that the damage was confined to an outer building and that the containment is intact. Even if the containment integrity has not been compromised, the focus is now, by whatever means, of keeping the core covered. If the core can be kept covered then the fuel rods will not rupture and there will be minimal environmental impact. It will take approximately ten days to two weeks to bring the heat generation rate down to the point where a core melt is no longer an issue.

Dr. Susanna Harding holds a Ph.D. in astrophysics from the University of Calgary, an M.Sc. in nuclear engineering from the University of Virginia, a B.S. in engineering physics from the University of Santa Clara, and additional degrees and certifications. She is a licensed Professional Physicist, a member of the Canadian Nuclear Society and of the American Nuclear Society, and works as a nuclear engineer in the US for a company which designs and manufactures safety and radiation monitoring systems for the nuclear power industry. Her background includes hands-on experience with nuclear reactors.
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I hope somebody in the Candian Parliament gives CTV hell over that. Did they ever present an opposing viewpoint? Somehow I doubt it.....
 
They are saying that these tsunamis were bigger than their models predicted.

Something like this might not have been high enough, as even 2-story buildings were engulfed.
 
They are saying that these tsunamis were bigger than their models predicted.

Something like this might not have been high enough, as even 2-story buildings were engulfed.

Yeah, as I was saying in another thread, no matter how safe or well-designed you can build your defences and how big you can build your walls there can always be an earthquake or a tsunami which is bigger.
 
The dead and missing count is now over 2500. But in places like Rikuzentakata, they don't even know who is missing. They said that over 6,000 have evacuated, but the population was 23,000.
 
http://edition.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/asiapcf/03/12/japan.nuclear/?hpt=T1

Tokyo (CNN) -- A meltdown may have occurred at at least one nuclear power reactor in Japan, the country's chief cabinet secretary, Yukio Edano, said Sunday, adding that authorities are concerned about the possibility of another meltdown at a second reactor.

"We do believe that there is a possibility that meltdown has occurred. It is inside the reactor. We can't see. However, we are assuming that a meltdown has occurred," he said about the No. 1 reactor at the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear facility.

"And with reactor No. 3, we are also assuming that the possibility of a meltdown as we carry out measures," Edano said.

Edano's comments confirm an earlier report from an official with Japan's Nuclear and Industrial Safety Agency, who said, "we see the possibility of a meltdown."

"There is a possibility, we see the possibility of a meltdown," said Toshihiro Bannai, director of the apan's Nuclear and Industrial Safety Agency international affairs office, in a telephone interview from the agency's headquarters in Tokyo. "At this point, we have still not confirmed that there is an actual meltdown, but there is a possibility."
 
They are saying that these tsunamis were bigger than their models predicted.

Something like this might not have been high enough, as even 2-story buildings were engulfed.
Actually, on wide open ground it should be. You have to take into account the terrain. You can see from the shape of Minamisanriku (second picture down) that the wave was funneled up the inlet. That is what made the water go higher.

It also looks like there were 2 safe areas on each side of the town. But someone near the center wouldn't have had enough time to get to safety. And if you picked the wrong building, you wouldn't have made it. This is the town with over 9,000 unaccounted for citizens.
 
The dead and missing count is now over 2500. But in places like Rikuzentakata, they don't even know who is missing. They said that over 6,000 have evacuated, but the population was 23,000.

A few websites are doing projections of fatalaties based on what the early casualty reports were comapred with final counts in previous Earthquakes of this magnitude.
It's very grim reading.
 
And on MSNBC we are being treated to the usual weekend fare of five year old Prison documentaries.........

Jesus Christ, when will MSNBC learn that if they want to be taken seriously as a news network, this BS of going dark for the weekend to save a few bucks has got to stop.
 

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