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Merged 8.8 quake in Sendai, Japan

I see you're in Osaka. How are things there ?

Osaka is something like eight hundred kilometres away from the quake (not sure on the exact distance) and the bay seems to be pretty well-protected from tsunami. We did actually feel the quake down here but that was really nothing. It was only when I looked at the TV and saw the quake was in Iwate/Miyagi that I realized this must have been a massive one. It was at the top of the Japanese scale for measuring earthquakes - something I had never seen or heard of before.

That said, just to give some idea of how powerful it must have been, the elevators in some of the skyscrapers down here shut down from the quake trapping people inside.
 
Tsunami surge deals blow to struggling California town

On the damage to Crescent City and Santa Cruz and the man who was swept away...

Among the losses was Dustin Weber of Bend, Ore., who was swept away Friday as he and two friends watched the waves. His father, Jon Weber, and his family searched the beach Saturday about 20 miles to the south, in the community of Klamath.

"He just didn't respect the ocean and didn't understand the tsunami," Weber said of his son. "The (first surge) hit about 7:30. It was the second wave that hit at 9:30 that got him."

The Coast Guard has suspended the search for the 25-year-old man, whose friends had tried to save him when the surge came.


Crescent City: About 80 percent of the docks that once sheltered 140 boats were gone.

Santa Cruz: Port Director Lisa Ekers said the tsunami caused at least $17.1 million in damage to the harbor, and another $4 million to private boats. Gov. Jerry Brown issued an emergency declaration for the harbor, which can expedite funding for repairs.

One dock, with close to 40 boats, was ripped out during the surges. So far, they had found 18 vessels "sitting on the bottom," creating an environmental risk from leaking fuel, Ekers said.
 
The Sylmar quake's epicenter in '71 was just a few miles north of me.
Shook Burbank and broke some buildings. 6.6 on the Richter scale.
And some freeway damage.
Just lasted a few seconds.
The Northridge quake in '91 was about the same magnitude, 6.7, but 50 miles away. Woke me up, but nothing scary. Same freeway damage.
I can't imagine an 8.9!
Some of the larger quakes in the southern part of the state can be felt up here, but little more than the house creaking is all that's obvious.
A Shuttle landing from the direction of the ocean makes more noise.
 
Video of the ongoing rescue efforts:



Too bad those rescuers don't give a damn about 'the individual'. :rolleyes:
 
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very important question: can they keep the core from going to hell, by pumping in sea water?

don't they have to constantly pump in new seawater? where is all the steam going?

how will the salt effect things?
 
The Canadian Nuclear Society has issued a statement on some of the claims made in the Canadian media by a representative of the anti-nuclear movement:

CNS Response to Gordon Edwards

This is a response from the Alberta Branch of the Canadian Nuclear Society to comments made by Mr. Gordon Edwards concerning the events at the Fukushima-I nuclear power generating station, in Japan. It was written by Dr. Susanna Harding, with the assistance of Duane Pendergast, head of the Alberta Branch, and Jeremy Whitlock, Chair of the Education and Communications Committee

History of the plant: The reactor in question was ordered by Tokyo Electric Power Company (TEPCO) in 1965, with construction beginning in 1966. The plant first went critical in October of 1970 and was formally commissioned and put into operation on March 26, 1971. It is a General Electric BWR-3 (boiling water reactor) with an electric power output of 460 megawatts. Over the years it has operated quietly and without incident, but due to its age had been scheduled for decommissioning on March 26, 2011. It is a first generation BWR.

Plant characteristics: This type of plant has a steam generator directly over the nuclear core, with that steam then piped directly to the turbine driving the electric generator. This has certain thermodynamic advantages although at the cost of enhanced maintenance issues. The pressure vessel which houses the reactor core is equipped with electrically driven circulation pumps as well as with a steam driven emergency circulation pump. There exists a system for direct injection of water (ECCS, or Emergency Core Cooling System) which does not depend on electrical power. The entire reactor assembly is housed in a concrete containment structure designed to prevent the release of radioactive material in the event of a breach of the pressure vessel or the associated plumbing. This plant has emergency diesel generators for use when other forms of electrical power are not available.

Safety features: The plant is designed using a "defence in depth" concept. The nuclear fuel is encapsulated in zirconium alloy fuel rods (or pins) designed to contain fission products and gasses produced during operation. Even though water is circulating around these fuel rods, the encapsulation prevents the radioactive material from being taken up into the water. The reactor is equipped with several types of cooling system, at least two of which do not require electrical power to operate. The entire assembly is contained in the pressure vessel, which houses the reactor and which can be isolated from the generator turbine in event of emergency. The control rods mechanisms are designed to shut down the reactor in event of loss of power. Finally, the entire system in enclosed in a purpose-built structure, the containment, intended to keep that which is inside, inside.

Cooling and Meltdowns. A nuclear reactor continues to produce heat even after the reactor is shut down. In order to maintain safe conditions this heat must be removed. Normally this is done with electrically driven circulation pumps which drive cooling water through the core and take the heat to a heatsink. If the water level in the core drops below the top of the fuel, the exposed fuel (which is no longer being cooled) will heat up and warp. In extreme cases this could result in rod failure, thus releasing fission products into the cooling water. However in no case can this result in a nuclear explosion or detonation. The amount of heat generated decreases over time as the more volatile radioactive materials within the core decay, following a trend known as a "decaying exponential curve".

Venting and ECCS. If it becomes necessary to use the ECCS then the pressure within the reactor pressure vessel must be decreased to ambient pressure. This is because use of the ECCS assumes no electrical (or steam) power is available to drive pumps that could force water into the pressure vessel against a head of steam. Venting is normally done in two steps, not both of which might be necessary. First, the reactor pressure vessel is vented into the containment. Then, if necessary, the containment is vented through filters to the outside. At this point gravity fed water can be injected or (as is happening at Fukushima) water supplied by a fire truck can be used to cover the reactor core and cool it.

Fukushima and Chernobyl. The Fukushima-I reactor is a water moderated boiling water reactor. The Chernobyl RBMK reactor was a graphite moderated boiling water reactor. In the Chernobyl incident the reactor was driven into an unstable operating regime by operator action. The RBMK reactor then had an uncontrolled power spike of 100 times full power which blew the roof of the reactor building off (there was no containment structure) and exposed a glowing hot mass of graphite (carbon) to the atmosphere. The resulting chemical fire of carbon mixed with radioactive material burned for several days with results that are well known. The ensuing blast destroyed any capability to cool or control the RBMK reactor. At Fukushima there is no carbon, nothing to burn, such a scenario is not possible here. The Fukushima reactor underwent a controlled shutdown and maintains the capability to be controlled and cooled.

Fukushima and Three Mile Island. TMI-I was a pressurized water reactor (PWR) supplied by Babcock and Wilcox. Due to operator error and poor design the reactor was driven into a state where the core was unintentionally exposed. Without cooling the tops of the fuel assemblies warped and some ruptured. While this was fatal to the use of that facility (and expensive to the shareholders) very little radioactive material was released into the environment. This is very similar to what would happen at Fukushima if the core were to be exposed.

Seawater cooling. News reports have that the reactor at Fukushima is being cooled with seawater, pumped in by fire truck. In order to do this, it is necessary to vent the reactor pressure vessel sufficiently that the pump can move the water into the core. Additionally, the seawater which is being used is doped with boric acid. Boron is a neutron absorber, and it is standard operating procedure in circumstances such as this to add boron in order to ensure that the core stays dead, and to aid in suppressing residual heat generation.

Prognosis. News reports have that there has been damage to the containment building, though there have been conflicting news reports indicating that the damage was confined to an outer building and that the containment is intact. Even if the containment integrity has not been compromised, the focus is now, by whatever means, of keeping the core covered. If the core can be kept covered then the fuel rods will not rupture and there will be minimal environmental impact. It will take approximately ten days to two weeks to bring the heat generation rate down to the point where a core melt is no longer an issue.

Dr. Susanna Harding holds a Ph.D. in astrophysics from the University of Calgary, an M.Sc. in nuclear engineering from the University of Virginia, a B.S. in engineering physics from the University of Santa Clara, and additional degrees and certifications. She is a licensed Professional Physicist, a member of the Canadian Nuclear Society and of the American Nuclear Society, and works as a nuclear engineer in the US for a company which designs and manufactures safety and radiation monitoring systems for the nuclear power industry. Her background includes hands-on experience with nuclear reactors.
 
Listening to CNN right now, it's clear the newscasters don't have a clue whet they are talking about.

It got slightly better when Wolf Blitzer took over. Their afternoon anchor (don't know his name. i don't watch much CNN) was totally befuddled. Blitzer at least seemed to be a little bit more in command of knowing how much he didn't know.
 
The help we sent to New Orleans consisted of Nat'l Guard members with automatic weapons. The Navy swooped in, literally, to haul people out. With nowhere except overpasses to leave survivors, they then got chastised for allowing citizens of New Orleans into Jefferson Parish.

And don't forget the FEMA trailers. I had a sister in law there attending an EMS convention. They had to flee to protect themselves. They had to buy food and water from the gangmembers outside the hotel lobby. Police got into trouble for 'offering' them a 'free' caddy.

You want truth? Turn on CNN, keep your eyes open . See the hospital with SOS written in English?

I shouldn't feed the troll but this is demented.

I have seen numerous videos now of Japanese coast guard, fire department, self-defence forces flying in in helicopters to rescue people from the carnage.

Your bigotted BS should be removed if it continues to derail discussion IMHO.
 
Earlier Saturday, before the explosion, a Japanese nuclear safety panel said the radiation levels were 1,000 times above normal in a reactor control room at Daiichi


..yikes
 
Plus the reports of "radiation 1000 times the normal level." Fine, but in all those reports, they never once said what a dangerous level was.
Actually, just out of curiosity nuclear reactors aren't the only source of radiation that one is exposed to. What sort of rises in radiation would one typically expect from commercial and industrial damage alone?
 
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Thanks for that.

Puppycow, I wonder if you saw the videos that were playing a lot on the news yesterday of an SDF helicopter flying in to (I think) a hospital in Kessenuma and picking up people on the roof there.

It was then filmed taking off again and flying over the city which was just utterly destroyed. I can't find the video itself but someone had aptly described it as being like a scene from a science fiction movie.
 
BBC News...

0109: Japan has doubled the number of soldiers being deployed to cope with the disaster to 100,000 - AFP.

0123: AFP has updated its story about the Japanese military deployment being doubled. It was quoting a government official on condition of anonymity. So that's not official yet.
 
The Canadian Nuclear Society has issued a statement on some of the claims made in the Canadian media by a representative of the anti-nuclear movement:

Over the years it has operated quietly and without incident, but due to its age had been scheduled for decommissioning on March 26, 2011.​

Too bad it hadn't been decommissioned last month instead. :(
 
Maybe I was thinking about Minami Sanriku.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2gHB-SRCBE

This is video footage of people on top of the hospital while the surrounding town is completely flooded/destroyed.

I seem to remember some video showing those people being taken off the top of the building. Could someone post it if they can find it?
 
Thanks for that.

Puppycow, I wonder if you saw the videos that were playing a lot on the news yesterday of an SDF helicopter flying in to (I think) a hospital in Kessenuma and picking up people on the roof there.

It was then filmed taking off again and flying over the city which was just utterly destroyed. I can't find the video itself but someone had aptly described it as being like a scene from a science fiction movie.

Yes. It might have been Rikuzentakata, but a similar scene was probably happening in Kessenuma too.
 
It got slightly better when Wolf Blitzer took over. Their afternoon anchor (don't know his name. i don't watch much CNN) was totally befuddled. Blitzer at least seemed to be a little bit more in command of knowing how much he didn't know.

I just got back and turned CNN on and it was just like a Sat Night Live skit. Bill Nye was giving an explanation about the nuclear plant when the host cut in with some urgency:

"Bill, sorry to cut you off, we have breaking news we have to go to"

Scene cuts away to a single helicopter rescuing someone.

"We are getting news of a rescue"

The story fades into a general discussion of how important helicopters are, an interview with one survivor, nothing breaking at all, not even the rescue they said was breaking news, and back to a studio chat telling us more stories coming up.


Perhaps Bill Nye went out for some air?

Horrible news formula.
 

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