Jason Bermas - Mommy's basement

Triterope said:
Good point. The reason I think they didn't try was because Avery would announce every tiny little thing as proof of the coming greatness of Loose Change. Remember 3000 screens? Remember 12 countries? Remember Mark Cuban? These were all preliminary inquiries that never went anywhere, as so often happens in Hollywood, but Avery announced them to his fans as if they were closed deals. I would have expected the tiniest hint of a real Hollywood career to be sung to the rooftops.



True, but Avery's marketable skill wasn't technique. His skill was in presenting the material in an effective way. Lots of people tried making 9-11 conspiracy videos -- including veterans of the art like Alex Jones -- but only LC really caught on. It even buried From Freedom To Fascism, made by a real filmmaker, Aaron Russo. Don't ask me to quantify it, but something made his movie succeed where so many others failed.

And as much as we mock Loose Change's fan base as being 20-something males, that is a difficult-to-reach demographic. If nothing else, I'd think marketers and advertisers could find some lessons in LC.

I think that was just one factor, and one of questionable importance. Daniel Sunjata's involvement with LC doesn't seem to have hurt his career. A-List celebrities Rosie O'Donnell and Charlie Sheen acknowledged it without their reputations being hurt. And this was 4-6 years ago, at the height of the movie's hype arc, and also of Bush Derangement Syndrome.

Movie and TV deals fail to materialize for many reasons. We don't know why things like the View appearance and the Mark Cuban thing fell through for Dylan Avery. Personally, I think mainstream cinematic distribution of LC was never financially viable, since its appeal was way too narrow and the movie was already on the Internet for free. That's ignoring the rights problems, the toxic subject matter, the technical deficiencies and so on.

Getting back to the original proposition... I think there were a lot of reasons these guys failed to leverage Loose Change into legitimate careers. It probably wasn't as simple as I suggested. Still, they don't seem to have gained anything from the experience.
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These are all excellent points. Although when I was thinking more generally of Hollywood stars who had supported this nonsense. There's a Facebook page about this. I don't know if you can view it, but this is it here.
http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=2103282&id=1099968930&fbid=1740454586741
There's also this video
http://www.myspace.com/video/vid/20111633#pm_cmp=vid_OEV_P_P
and this

But you hear nothing from virtually any of these guys anymore.
dudalb said:
Uh, Rosie O Donnell's support of 9/11 Truth was a major reason she lost her gig on the View, and she has not really been heard of isnce.
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If we limit ourselves to major Hollywood promotors of 911 conspiracy-type-stuff, like Daniel Sunjata, Rosie O'Donnell and Charlie Sheen, they pretty much seem to be self-destructing, along the same lines as our Loose Change heroes. It may just be a process of natural selection. Only the stupid ones stuck around after 2008. You don't hear anything from David Lynch or James Brolin anymore - not even a peep.
 
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Scott Sommers said:
These are all excellent points. Although when I was thinking more generally of Hollywood stars who had supported this nonsense. There's a Facebook page about this. I don't know if you can view it, but this is it here.
http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=2103282&id=1099968930&fbid=1740454586741
There's also this video
http://www.myspace.com/video/vid/20111633#pm_cmp=vid_OEV_P_P
But you hear nothing from virtually any of these guys anymore.
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You have to be registered on Facebook to view the page. The page is entitled Celebrities Who Stand for 9/11 Truth ~ Sourced and aside from the usual suspects (Sheen, O'Donnell, Sunjata, Ed Asner), some of the "truther" celebs are of dubious authenticity as truthers (Chuck Norris, Bruce Willis). It seems to include anyone who has ever said "we don't know everything that happened that day" or "we need a new investigation." (The former as a statement is true enough but hardly supportive of the "truth" agenda.) Many of the listees are either dead (Aaron Russo, George Carlin) and more than a few are either washed up (Asner, Gary Busey) or senile (Gore Vidal). Two of the "Celebrities" (the TV show Arrested Development and a fake highway sign) are not even people.

And even if everyone listed (including the highway sign) is a paid up truther, so what? It's always amused me when people (usually but not always right wingers in a snit over some outrage by a "liberal" celebrity or public figure... Remember that long thread from Cicero where he seem to have some vested interest in "proving" that Barbra Streisand and Sean Penn were truthers?) get upset by the nutty ideas, political or otherwise, of show biz celebs as if the general public took their clues as what to believe from movie and tv actors.
 
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Walter Ego said:
You have to be registered on Facebook to view the page. The page is entitled Celebrities Who Stand for 9/11 Truth ~ Sourced and aside from the usual suspects (Sheen, O'Donnell, Sunjata, Ed Asner), some of the "truther" celebs are of dubious authenticity as truthers (Chuck Norris, Bruce Willis). It seems to include anyone who has ever said "we don't know everything that happened that day" or "we need a new investigation." (The former as a statement is true enough but hardly supportive of the "truth" agenda.) Many of the listees are either dead (Aaron Russo, George Carlin) and more than a few are either washed up (Asner, Gary Busey) or senile (Gore Vidal). Two of the "Celebrities" (the TV show Arrested Development and a fake highway sign) are not even people.

And even if everyone listed (including the highway sign) is a paid up truther, so what? It's always amused me when people (usually but not always right wingers in a snit over some outrage by a "liberal" celebrity or public figure... Remember that long thread from Cicero where he seem to have some vested interest in "proving" that Barbra Streisand and Sean Penn were truthers?) get upset by the nutty ideas, political or otherwise, of show biz celebs as if the general public took their clues as what to believe from movie and tv actors.
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Walter I am not sure if you read the whole thread. We have been talking about what happened to the Loose Change Heroes and why their Hollywood connections did not pan out for them professionally. It does not matter who is more or less serious. The fact is there have been a number of major Hollywood personalities, including Barbara Streisand's husband James Brolin, Micheal Moore, David Lynch and others who are pretty clear about their position on this.The point of the thread was not about who does or does not believe in a 911 conspiracy, but why those Hollywood stars did nothing for their iconoclast friends.

Besides, who cares if David Lynch believes, http://infowars.net/articles/december2006/061206Lynch.htm
...the hole in the Pentagon being too small for a plane, the lawn isn't messed up, and the government's not showing the plane hitting when many cameras photographed it. At the World Trade Center, three buildings came down, like demolitions, and two of them were hit by a plane, but the third one they said "do you want us to pull it?" and they pulled it and it looked just like the other two. In Pennsylvania, the plane that went down, there was just a hole in the ground, there wasn't any wreckage,there wasn't any skid marks, there wasn't any tear in the earth, and no one has ever really found out about that.
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The important thing is that since 2008, Lynch's commitment to 911 Truth, unlike Cokehead Charlie and his friend Rosie, seems to have taken a backseat to his commitment to an Obama Administration.
 
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Scott Sommers said:
Walter I am not sure if you read the whole thread.
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Yeah, you're right. :o

I noticed someone had linked to one of my videos (the one about Bermas/Avery and Bernard Brown) and then made a general comment on celebrity truthers. I have, however, registered on Facebook and would be happy to read some of those pages you said prove that truthers are motivated by Jihad apology if you'd like to rekindle this recent thread.
 
Scott Sommers said:
The important thing is that since 2008, Lynch's commitment to 911 Truth, unlike Cokehead Charlie and his friend Rosie, seems to have taken a backseat to his commitment to an Obama Administration.
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I can forgive Lynch for being a truther, but I will NEVER forgive him for what he did to Dune!

Seriously...he made it RAIN at the end!
 
1) Jason knows something all these people don't
2) He's a dope and thinks he needs to spend $ 5000 OR
3) he's a scam artist

I'll give the toofers here a couple of days to find a source saying he needs such gear before completely dismissing the 1st option but doubt they will be able to. 2) and 3) seem equally probable to me, we know he's a liar and he seems to be in need of money.
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I'm going with option 3 here I'm affraid. How ***** hard is it to get 5K, especially since it's such an important cause.;)

Also, it's pretty sad that he doesn't have at least 5k left over from his "glory days" of pimpin the truth. He's gotta be strapped for cash if he can't save money to do this on his own.
 
dudalb said:
If you believe that is what really happened, I have some ocean front property in Kansas you might like....
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In the presence of an official announcement from the network, and the absence of any evidence to support your position, I will continue to believe that is what happened.
 
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It wasn't a hedge, it was a shrubbery.

It got dustified by nano-termites.
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Police state check: It's been three days since I last asked, an entire week since I asked the first time.

Miragememories, which police states have you visited and/or lived in?

MM, I defended you on this. And you know me, you know how much I love driving truthers into hysterical hissy fits. I got one of my fellow debunkers/rationalists to back off and acknowledge that you might be telling the truth on this. How about you show me the respect I showed you and tell us which police state you have been in?
 
That's what happens when put yourself out for someone that is just reciting from the CTist's rhetoric playbook.

I did it a few times too. didn't work out for me either.
 
Triterope said:
You know, this really is a tragedy.

These men's pet movie project turned into a whirlwind internet success, talked about by millions of people. It brought them meetings with celebrities, media interviews, a worshipful fan base, and a role in the national debate about a major historical event. It opened doors in the film and radio industries -- professions people dream of getting into. It made them money. All of this lasted for years.
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And by internet fame standards thats probably more than they had any right to expect. By comparison Tay Zonday of Chocolate Rain doesn't appear to be doing very much and even with the backing of a full movie studio snakes on a plane didn't sell that well.

Internet fame appears to be rather hard to make money off.

And now, all three of these men are right back where they started. Or worse. Korey Rowe is facing a jail term for dealing heroin. Jason Bermas has a low-wage kitchen job while he begs for money to start a radio show. Dylan Avery announced his intention to become a "legitimate" director, but there is no evidence he's ever been so much as a camera assistant.

Where did it all go?

Not just the money. But the powerful people who were once interested in them. The opportunities to learn new skills. The contacts they made. The admirers they once had.

They wasted it all.

It should have been easy for Dylan Avery to get a job on a film crew, or Jason Bermas a radio show.
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Questionable. Dylan Avery on a film crew would do what? He's got some editing experience but as far as I'm aware he's not even that far up the amature scale in say camera work.

Radio shows require a certain skillset that no level of contacts are going to give you.


It's all about who you know, and they knew people. Either one of them could have leveraged Loose Change into a media career. The film wouldn't have hurt them; lots of media figures got their start in, shall we say, less-reputable productions.
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Not really. The usual start is in low budget but blameless productions (and at one point every british actor appeared to go through The Bill).

The problem is though for the most part they may not have known the right people. Those who ultimately control the purse stings are not going to give a guy with one web film to his credit a chance to dirrect (okey Fede Alvarez is a possible exception). Particularly not documenturies where michael moore appears to be taking up 100% of the market. He really needed TV contacts of some kind and I'm not sure he was making those.

Not only that, Loose Change gave them opportunities to learn their craft -- paid opportunities, even -- and they failed to learn a single thing. The last version of LC shows no improvement in technical proficiency from the first. Bermas is a terrible radio host: sloppy, uninteresting, and dull. Bermas could have learned a thing or two from Alex Jones. He didn't. It boggles my mind that Avery and Bermas were so completely disinterested in learning anything about the very careers they wanted for themselves.
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This is true. Worse still for them the standards of the better amateur web film makers have increased significantly.

Film schools and communications departments all over this nation are full of talented kids who'll never get one of the opportunities these guys had, much less all of them. These guys had a one-in-a-million chance, and killed it through their own laziness and ignorance. And that's a tragedy.
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Well it's one more chance fot the film school kids. However I would assume that film schools do make people aware of the existance of roles other than blockbuster dirrector which Avery appears to have been stuck on aiming for.
 
Or he has decided to hang with the most famous Truther of them all, The Big Winner, Charlie Sheen.......
 
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