Muslim researcher explains how 9/11 was made

[ozeco41]

if I had hair it would have been blown off as those goalposts moved.

It's called "making it up as you go along".

 

[EventHorizon]

I beg someone...BEG them to explain to me how the hijackers taken over the planes at 8:13, 8:42, 8:53, and 9:34.......means anything????????

I mean, they are in no sequence whatsover. the times are not seperated by a certain length of minutes. they are 30 minutes, than 9 minutes, than 41 minutes apart.

what could this possibly mean? there is nothing at all suspicious about the timings of the hijackings.

i mean, if they were all 20 minutes apart, that would mean the terrorists had good timing and planning. but they didn't sequence their attacks at all.

someone, please help me understand how this is supposed to mean something. please.

I wish I could explain it to you but I don't speak 'crazy'. I asked him to explain it or at least translate it into 'sane' but he refused. Intellectual dishonesty at its finest.

 

[WildCat]

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Goldberg.... Think on that one.

Proof that Jews really can devise ridiculously complex means to perform a simple task, just like on 9/11!1!!!1!1!

 

[mehmetin]

The idea that the calls is based on the claim that mobiles don’t work at altitude (see here). There’s anecdotal evidence that they do, though, and other stories that suggest otherwise.

Forget the anecdotal evidence, it’s not evidence.

One supposed answer to this is that the conspirators used “voice morphing technology” to make themselves sound like the passengers:

These voices were the result of the technological wonder called voice morphing in which the sound of anybody's voice can be duplicated in real time. If the full range of the subject's voice has been recorded, which usually can happen in a 10 minute phone conversation, and then fed into the computer software, anybody speaking the subject's language can very convincingly sound like the subject person on the phone to his or her family, friends, coworkers, etc. etc.. In practical terms, problems with voice morphing will arise when gaps in the impersonator's knowledge become apparent to his or her interlocutor.
http://911lies.org/cell_calls_911_faked_voice_morphing.html

The claim appears to be based around this 1999 story:

"Gentlemen! We have called you together to inform you that we are going to overthrow the United States government." So begins a statement being delivered by Gen. Carl W. Steiner, former Commander-in-chief, U.S. Special Operations Command.

At least the voice sounds amazingly like him.

But it is not Steiner. It is the result of voice "morphing" technology developed at the Los Alamos National Laboratory in New Mexico.

By taking just a 10-minute digital recording of Steiner's voice, scientist George Papcun is able, in near real time, to clone speech patterns and develop an accurate facsimile. Steiner was so impressed, he asked for a copy of the tape.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/national/dotmil/arkin020199.htm

If correct, then note that the story says the technology requires a “10-minute digital recording”. It doesn’t say that a phone conversation is enough.

Also, we’re told that the system works in “near real time”, in other words there’s a time lapse between the person speaking, and the system morphing their voice into someone else. How long? It doesn’t say, unfortunately, but it’s unsafe to assume that this system is capable of carrying out real-time conversations.

10 minutes communication should be considered to cover most of the sounds generated by the person. The perpetrator Mossad agents were able to wire taps the passengers during long time. There is no problem for that.

The term “near real time” means there was a very small time gap that’s undetectable for the listener. Such time is about 0.1second and human do not consider such time gap, especially on the phone.

But these aren’t the only arguments against this idea. Some of the passengers weren't supposed to be travelling on the planes they eventually took:

"Jeremy Glick was supposed to have been on Flight 93 a day earlier, but missed the Monday flight after getting stuck in traffic on his way to Newark Airport... Another passenger, Lauren Grandcolas was on her way home to Marin County... Originally scheduled on a later flight, she had been pleasantly surprised to easily get a standby seat on Flight 93 at the airport. “I can’t wait to see you,” she told her husband Jack in a message she left on the couple’s answering machine before dawn in California, telling him she would be home a few hours early".
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/3067652/

Something is wrong in that report of msnbc. All flights on 9/11 were half empty. There was always space on the plane. So, she should not be surprised.

And they’re not the only ones. In fact, so many people changed their plans within around 24 hours to take this flight, that has been marked up as an anomaly in itself. A Team8Plus page (http://www.team8plus.org/content.php?article.8) points out this also applies to Jeremy Glick (missed his flight the day before), Mark Bingham (took an extra day to recover from a birthday celebration), Honor Elizabeth Wainio (changed to a direct flight at the last minute) and possibly Edward Felt (last-minute business trip) amongst those who made phone calls, and others who didn’t.

Now that does seem like a lot of last-minute changes, although without having any typical figures for comparison it’s hard to say for sure. But with regards to faking the calls, this situation surely poses a problem: how are the conspirators going to research everyone who made a call, and grab a “ten minute digital recording”, with 2 or 3 to 24 hours notice?

There were tens of Mossad agents, with 10 people that job is made.

And as an example of the research required (although in this case not just in a few hours), consider the call by Linda Grolund, who reportedly called her sister to pass on the combination of the safe containing her will (which suggests no-one else knew it, because otherwise why bother?):

Linda Gronlund, called her sister, Elsa Strong.

Elsa Strong says, "She said, 'Hi, Else, this is Lin. I just wanted to tell you how much I love you.' And she said, 'Please tell Mom and Dad how much I love them.' And then she got real calm and said, 'Now my will is in my safe and my safe is in my closet. and this is the combination.' And she just told me the combination of her safe.
http://billstclair.com/911timeline/2002/msnbc090302.html

This is an excellent example to be used for phone call. Wire tap gave them all information, including most secret ones.

 

[mehmetin]

Your work is entirely debunked. It seems that you'll never accept that, but that's a separate issue.

Up to now, only one argument was right: The place of the automatic controls is not in the nose; it should be under the flight control, under the pilots below the cockpit.

 

[mehmetin]

What? Muslim suicide bombers are blowing themselves up every day either with explosive belts or in cars. Don't you read or watch any news?

Only such actions made in Afhanistan, and a small part in Pakistan, could be considered as suicide attacks. All others should be reconsidered. Medias have easy to tell "suicide" while no evidence exists. For example "copte church" attack in Egypt.

 

[Sideroxylon]

Parsimony.

 

[mehmetin]

No. Most of the calls were made from airfones. Your "the website I found sez" defense is pathetic, and you are a liar.

ONLY ONE cellular phone call made at 35000ft and the caller ID recognised by the wife of Tom Burnett is enough to tell ALL phone calls were faked. And I verified that. So all other phone calls could not be considered as evidence.

 

[mehmetin]

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Lewis also mentions the Islamic world needs to lose its victimhood (the nasty West holding us down) and "settle their differences, join their talents, energies and resources in a common creative endeavor".... which some of them are doing today in the Arab world, changing their governments, and maybe it would become a major center of civilization as it had been.
Considering the Sunni-Shi'a problem, that might not be possible.

Bernard Lewis' arguments are to be considered as lies, misinterpretation, propaganda for Israel and Zionists, propaganda against Muslims, ...

 

[carlitos]

ONLY ONE cellular phone call made at 35000ft and the caller ID recognised by the wife of Tom Burnett is enough to tell ALL phone calls were faked.

So if there is one untruth in the Koran, is that evidence that all of Islam is fake?

And I verified that.

No.

So all other phone calls could not be considered as evidence.

No.

 

[mehmetin]

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In the 8 years since the invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan, there's been probably one a day in Iraq, Afghanistan and Pakistan, and attacks in Indonesia and India.
Several thousand Islamic murderers, mostly killing hundreds of thousands of other Islamics.
All for a good cause of course.

Only few number of the attacks were suicide ones, most of the attacks were made US/Israeli mercenaries and put on behalf of any dead people in the group. Too much easy to fake.

 

[I Ratant]

Bernard Lewis' arguments are to be considered as lies, misinterpretation, propaganda for Israel and Zionists, propaganda against Muslims, ...

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Rational people will consider Lewis' work history of the finest quality.
The worst "propoganda against Muslims" turns out to be news coverage.
Where Muslims themselves live down to the nasty images the religion has picked up over the years by the activities of the extremists....

 

[mehmetin]

Islamic women and children. Double suicide (really the murders of two handicapped women) bombing of a pet market, Iraq. Had to be the most vile attack of the last 10 years. Not a real economic or tactical target. Just to make sure everyone knows 'you're not safe, anywhere, no matter who you are'.

That's typical US/Israeli made terror attack to kill muslim women and children. And easy to blame on "suicide " attack while there is no reason for that. And credulous people like belive every report from the protectors of the real US/Israeli perpetrators.

 

[Sideroxylon]

Bernard Lewis' arguments are to be considered as lies, misinterpretation, propaganda for Israel and Zionists, propaganda against Muslims, ...

Attitudes like "We have no friends in the world and everyone is else is out to get us" as well as the tendency by some to blame the Jews for everything is so common as to be a national shame for Turkey. If I had a Lira for every time I have heard the boron conspiracy ...

 

[mehmetin]

Has anyone actually presented us with evidence that Jews did 9/11? Nope.

Yes, I did. See my web site, section "Disinformation and Perpetrators".

 

[mehmetin]

SPAM, you posted this nonsense on timing too many times. It means you can't figure out 911. It proves the terrorists did it when you add reality based evidence which you ignore so you can tell lies about Israel and the USA. Are you meaning to insult Americans with delusion based hate speech? Why are you anti-peace, spreading lies about America with no evidence? I find your lies offensive because they are based on hate and no evidence.
You have yet to explain how 911 was made. Your timing graph means nothing.

At least, it means that you ignore the truth.

 

[mehmetin]

Originally Posted by Thunder
I beg someone...BEG them to explain to me how the hijackers taken over the planes at 8:13, 8:42, 8:53, and 9:34.......means anything????????

It proves the Islamic murders waited until level off to kill the crew. It also confirms the evidence against the 19 Islamic murderers. It means someone hates the USA and Israel, trying to say the 19 Islamic murderers did not exist.

You both got the information, and both ignored it. Morever you misinterpreted it to create confusion.

 

[Sideroxylon]

You both got the information, and both ignored it. Morever you misinterpreted it to create confusion.

I certainly didn't. Spell it out in no uncertain terms.

 

[beachnut]

At least, it means that you ignore the truth.

No, I don't ignore the truth of 19 Islamic murderers did 911. No, I don't ignore the truth of you spreading hateful anti-peace propaganda and lies on 911.

 

[mehmetin]

Originally Posted by mehmetin
ONLY ONE cellular phone call made at 35000ft and the caller ID recognised by the wife of Tom Burnett is enough to tell ALL phone calls were faked.

So if there is one untruth in the Koran, is that evidence that all of Islam is fake?

You are still making the ignorant! You never thought that if "one call is faked for any reason, the SAME reason applies to all other calls and justifies all other calls to be faked". By that that debunks all phone calls which becoem unusable in a justice court.