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fromdownunder said:
I don't think that there is a laughing dog smilie big enough to do this statement justice.

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You are kidding, right?

Wikipedia is a gold mine of 'verifiable' information. I've seen it posted here dozens of times without issue. I myself was even chastised recently for suggesting it wasn't a scholarly source.

My question is, "Why would you bring this mockery here, now?"

Have you done your own research on the '52 D.C. sighting, do you have evidence to the contrary, or found the report in error in some way?

If you DO, then please, bring it forward.

If you have nothing that confirms or denies their existence, or more importantly, if you have no manner or suggesting of getting "them to return"...please go away.
 
QUESTION:

Should a person, or group of people 'wave' or otherwise 'signal' to a U.F.O.?

I've heard of hunters seeing them, and considering shooting at it, but re-considered, thankfully.

My sighting occurred when I jokingly flashed my headlights at a semetrical cloud.

I'd probably consider that a 'wave', but I'll tell what I wouldn't do...

"Bow down, and or get down on my knees."

I might bow and invitingly sweep my hand towards the ground, but I have no intention of worshiping advanced technology, I don't care how many songs their iPods hold.
 
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carlitos said:
News flash for you - the "Red Scare" was largely mass hysteria as well, and it resulted in plenty of Congressional action.
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Yeah, well these weren't "red", and they were flying around being picked up on radar.

The finding was NON-Russian..

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carlitos said:
Jesus Christ, you don't even know what the Red Scare was? I wasn't referring to this sighting, I was referring to the context.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_scare
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This was an ACTUAL event.

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It was not hallucinated, people didn't make this up.

Unidentified Flying Objects buzzed D.C. two times in 1952. People took pictures, and we have video images, they were tracked on radar, and it was front page news.

You don't get to just make **** up, or ignore what you like.

How can you be this oblivious to the facts???
 
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King of the Americas said:
That is just not true. I disrespect all of you equally.
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There is only one you have referred to with a diminutive, however. It's a tactic often used by men who feel threatened by women.

King of the Americas said:
Unbelievable...

You just IGNORE the photographs, radar, and video...AND Congressional action!?
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I ignore Congressional action as much as I can, as often as I can. In fact, I try to ignore Congress, but unfortunately they insist on shoving their stupid into my face.

And nobody is denying that somebody saw something, at least sometimes. What we (or I, anyway) are denying is that there is any reason to jump to the really unsupported and perhaps even silly conclusions that you seem to have reached. Do you have to use a vaulting pole to get to that point?
 
Elizabeth I said:
There is only one you have referred to with a diminutive, however. It's a tactic often used by men who feel threatened by women.


I ignore Congressional action as much as I can, as often as I can. In fact, I try to ignore Congress, but unfortunately they insist on shoving their stupid into my face.

And nobody is denying that somebody saw something, at least sometimes. What we (or I, anyway) are denying is that there is any reason to jump to the really unsupported and perhaps even silly conclusions that you seem to have reached. Do you have to use a vaulting pole to get to that point?
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Horse women, or rather women who ride and handle horses intimidate, me...a little.

Ignoring Congress may well be a good idea, but ignoring ALL the other evidence that an advanced technology buzzed D.C. in '52 is just ignorant.

What vaulting is required to conclude that our jets and anti-aircraft were useless against these things?

What is unsupported, about the fact that our jets couldn't catch them?
 
King of the Americas said:
The day was FILLED with U.F.O. reports. This video only features the ones directly above the Capitol Building.
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Actually it doesn't.

It features a representation of what was variously reported by some eye witnesses. The footage has no provenance and as such I believe it to be a piece of news broadcast "mock up" footage to give the viewing public a visual representation. What it does not show is the actual event.

King of the Americas said:
People saw stuff flying over D.C., the image in the video was front page news, LITERALLY.
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Not it wasn't.
The story was front page news. If you can find a picture of the UFOs on the front page of any newspaper from that period I'd love to see it.

I don't deny that something happened in Washington and a series of (probably unrelated) events took place to build this UFO account. But as usual, the story has been so inaccurately documented and variously reported by UFOlogists that it is difficult to sort the fact from the fiction.
This piece of video footage is one fine example of that. Often rolled out by UFOlogists as proof, when it is nothing more than an unverified short film clip with no provenance what so ever, no commentary (either written nor on sound track) and that shows nothing more than an effect that would be really easy for a TV channel to produce even back in 1952.
 
Stray Cat said:
Actually it doesn't.

It features a representation of what was variously reported by some eye witnesses. The footage has no provenance and as such I believe it to be a piece of news broadcast "mock up" footage to give the viewing public a visual representation. What it does not show is the actual event.


Not it wasn't.
The story was front page news. If you can find a picture of the UFOs on the front page of any newspaper from that period I'd love to see it.

I don't deny that something happened in Washington and a series of (probably unrelated) events took place to build this UFO account. But as usual, the story has been so inaccurately documented and variously reported by UFOlogists that it is difficult to sort the fact from the fiction.
This piece of video footage is one fine example of that. Often rolled out by UFOlogists as proof, when it is nothing more than an unverified short film clip with no provenance what so ever, no commentary (either written nor on sound track) and that shows nothing more than an effect that would be really easy for a TV channel to produce even back in 1952.
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Sadly, I have been unable to source the original video. All that I know, it that it has not been 'debunked' as a re-creation.

Also, I've not found any photographs on the front page of any papers.

That said, the most convincing evidence that these sightings WERE of an advanced technology, are the jet pilot reports and the radar tracking information.

Moreover, that the event happened TWICE, and not again since...

The "Mass Hysteria" explanation IGNORES the reports from the radar tracking stations and the jet pilots who were unable to catch them.

This event IS the most credible evidence that 'they' exist, I am prepared to both accept and present as such.

*It wasn't that people saw 'lights', it was the manner in which the lights/objects behaved when pursued, as witnessed by both radar operators and pilots, that leads one to confirm: "Advanced technology, intelligently controlled".
 
dafydd said:
What are you going to do when they don't descend during the Olympics?
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You mean IF, I managed to convince the Olympic Committee to add "a moment skyward" to the Opening Ceremonies...?

And they didn't 'return'...?

I'd think worse of our heavenly overlords, and consider that 'they' mean us no good. Remaining hidden, when you know someone is looking for you, demonstrates a sincere deception.
 
King of the Americas said:
Sadly, I have been unable to source the original video. All that I know, it that it has not been 'debunked' as a re-creation.
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I'll remind you that it doesn't have to be debunked. What needs doing by those who claim it is genuine is for those people to provide evidence to support such a claim.
As my (and other's) extensive research into it has never managed to find any verification or provenance for this footage, I don't believe this footage is mentioned in Blue Book along with the UFO report and no reference to it is mentioned on any of the FoI releases concerning this incident, we can safely assume it is not actually a piece of evidence but a representation of what some people claim to have seen (even though reading the witness statements in Blue Book I can not find a single one who mentions a formation of UFOs flying over the Capitol Building).

King of the Americas said:
Also, I've not found any photographs on the front page of any papers.
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That's OK, it's because there aren't any. At the time, this story was about radar returns and the USAF sending planes out to investigate. It had nothing to do with a formation of flying saucers over Capitol Hill. That footage only appeared much later (though to my knowledge no one has dated it, no reference of it appears contemporary to that time).

King of the Americas said:
That said, the most convincing evidence that these sightings WERE of an advanced technology, are the jet pilot reports and the radar tracking information.
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If you read the Blue Book statements from ATC radar operators, they are talking about random AP returns over a period of a few months. Yes there were certain nights where the returns were more frequent but as far as I saw reading the original blue book statements and documentation, non of the returns were ever confirmed with pilot sightings.

King of the Americas said:
Moreover, that the event happened TWICE, and not again since...
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It happened (the radar part) over several months.

King of the Americas said:
The "Mass Hysteria" explanation IGNORES the reports from the radar tracking stations and the jet pilots who were unable to catch them.
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If the radar tracking stations were seeing AP, of course the pilots wouldn't be able to catch them. If the pilots were looking for something in the air and there was actually nothing there. Of course some pilots could have seen a light in the distance and given chase, but nowhere are any of the radar returns verified with a positive sighting.

King of the Americas said:
This event IS the most credible evidence that 'they' exist, I am prepared to both accept and present as such.
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Only if you use Wikipedia and UFO websites as your source of information.
Looking at the original documentation tells a slightly different and less sensational story.
 
Stray Cat said:
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Only if you use Wikipedia and UFO websites as your source of information.
Looking at the original documentation tells a slightly different and less sensational story.
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I wholly agree with you...

IF YOU ONLY LOOK AT ONE PIECE/SOURCE OF INFORMATION, AND IGNORE ALL THE REST...

You'll get a slightly different and less sensational story.

This is called the "Willful Ignorance Fallacy", aptly named for the willing ignorance of information.
 
King of the Americas said:
You mean IF, I managed to convince the Olympic Committee to add "a moment skyward" to the Opening Ceremonies...?

And they didn't 'return'...?

I'd think worse of our heavenly overlords, and consider that 'they' mean us no good. Remaining hidden, when you know someone is looking for you, demonstrates a sincere deception.
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"They" are not there.
 
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