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South Tower 81st floor filled with thermite?

The witness must have been talking about the UPS system including the 'battery-looking things', he said: "It's weird, they were never turned on."

And let's not forget where Anders gets that anecdote:

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A bigoted freelance conspiracy-rag journalist who's been on the lam from the Hoffman Estates police for what, four and a half years now?

But when the details of Anders' thermite fantasy don't match the results of comprehensive investigations or the observations of millions of people, it's "they omitted it" and "they didn't want to admit they were wrong," respectively.

Nice standards of evidence he's got there. Just more evidence that 9-11 Truth has left the world of the sane.
 
Forget the South Tower for the moment.

Anders, I would like you to explain to me what the Naudet brothers and the firemen from Ladder 1, who were on the street several blocks from the WTC complex just before the impacts, saw as they looked up into the sky right before a fireball erupted from the North Tower. From interviews with the brothers and the members of Ladder 1, each eyewitness has stated that he clearly saw a jet plane fly directly into the building. The footage that Jules Naudet was shooting at the time is probably the only decent footage of the plane flying into the building (as far as I know, only two other videos exist of Flight 11 flying into the tower, and neither were from the angle that Jules had which actually showed the plane plowing into the building). Are you claiming that all of the eyewitnesses on that street (and there were quite a few if the footage is to be believed) lied about seeing a plane fly into the building? They all heard SOMETHING just before looking up; each of them has stated that they heard a plane engine and looked up because they were surprised at how loud it was; the very strangeness of such an occurrence is what caused them to look up in the first place. So what exactly are you claiming they are doing, Anders? Either they're lying outright, which would add them to the numbers of the Impossibly Vast Conspiracy(tm), or, as you seem to be claiming, they were deluded into believing they saw a plane. And yet every single one saw the plane pretty clearly; it was a relatively cloudless day, the sun was shining, visibility was good, so there wasn't anything obscuring their vision of the face of the North Tower the plane plowed in to. What did they see?

Answer me that in a coherent, believeable fashion and I might lend your theory some credence, but right now all you have is sheer speculation and utter nonsense to your credit.
 
Sabrina,

Anders, I would like you to explain to me ...

Answer me that in a coherent, believeable fashion and I might lend your theory some credence ...

Not really.

But you deserve accolades & medals for optimism & diplomacy.


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Ok, here is the short version, and for the uninformed it may indeed appear laughable:

The WTC towers were rigged with:

1. Charges for creating the holes in the shape of planes in the facades (plus magnesium flare as a marker for timing and positioning of computer graphics insertions).

2. Explosives together with kerosene to create the fireball explosions.

3. Explosives plus part of a jet engine of wrong type and a landing gear in one of the towers.

4. Thermite on one floor in each building to weaken the steel.

5. Approximately the equivalent of 2 tons of TNT placed under the basements of the towers to cause earthquake kind of shock waves in order to bring down the towers who were designed to collapse like they did straight down in the case of a severe earthquake for safety reasons.

Wow, that is laughable for both the informed and the uninformed. So taking in all the evidence this is the best scenario that you can come up with to suggest an inside jobby job? Your analytical skills are lacking.
 
Forget the South Tower for the moment.

Anders, I would like you to explain to me what the Naudet brothers and the firemen from Ladder 1, who were on the street several blocks from the WTC complex just before the impacts, saw as they looked up into the sky right before a fireball erupted from the North Tower. From interviews with the brothers and the members of Ladder 1, each eyewitness has stated that he clearly saw a jet plane fly directly into the building. The footage that Jules Naudet was shooting at the time is probably the only decent footage of the plane flying into the building (as far as I know, only two other videos exist of Flight 11 flying into the tower, and neither were from the angle that Jules had which actually showed the plane plowing into the building). Are you claiming that all of the eyewitnesses on that street (and there were quite a few if the footage is to be believed) lied about seeing a plane fly into the building? They all heard SOMETHING just before looking up; each of them has stated that they heard a plane engine and looked up because they were surprised at how loud it was; the very strangeness of such an occurrence is what caused them to look up in the first place. So what exactly are you claiming they are doing, Anders? Either they're lying outright, which would add them to the numbers of the Impossibly Vast Conspiracy(tm), or, as you seem to be claiming, they were deluded into believing they saw a plane. And yet every single one saw the plane pretty clearly; it was a relatively cloudless day, the sun was shining, visibility was good, so there wasn't anything obscuring their vision of the face of the North Tower the plane plowed in to. What did they see?

Answer me that in a coherent, believeable fashion and I might lend your theory some credence, but right now all you have is sheer speculation and utter nonsense to your credit.

I have written before that the video sequence by the Naudet brothers with the firemen was staged. See for example: http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=6354270&postcount=35

And: http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=6875636&postcount=261

Here is a related post: http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=6875780&postcount=272
 
So your stance is that all those eyewitnesses, who actually were present IN New York and actually physically laid eyes on Flight 11 just before it plowed into the North Tower (according to them) are lying? Setting the footage aside, these people were actually THERE; they all claim that they saw a jet plane fly into the building. They're all lying?

Why? For what purpose? And don't say national security; your understanding of that concept is so backwards it's utterly laughable.
 
So your stance is that all those eyewitnesses, who actually were present IN New York and actually physically laid eyes on Flight 11 just before it plowed into the North Tower (according to them) are lying? Setting the footage aside, these people were actually THERE; they all claim that they saw a jet plane fly into the building. They're all lying?

Why? For what purpose? And don't say national security; your understanding of that concept is so backwards it's utterly laughable.

I think many of the witnesses say they saw a plane even if they didn't because EVERYBODY(!!!) saw planes crash into the towers on television. Take Jennifer Oberstein for example who first said that she didn't see a plane, and then later on said that she saw a plane!

Check out: http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=6349775&postcount=650

In the video clip she said she didn't see a plane, and then in the audio file (with someone calling her on the phone) she seems to have seen a plane.
 
So because one person changed their story (likely because she wanted more attention), that somehow negates the fact that several dozen people witnessed Flight 11 flying into the North Tower and then hundreds (because everyone's attention was trained on the burning North Tower and could therefore clearly see the South Tower) of people who were physically present in New York and NOT watching TV saw, physically, with their own eyes, Flight 175 fly directly into the South Tower? Let me remind you, these are people who were physically present in New York, many of whom were interviewed by news reporters the day of the events and very likely didn't have a chance to see ANY video footage of anything until much later; they're all lying/mistaken?

The capacity you have for self-delusion is astounding, it truly is.
 
So because one person changed their story (likely because she wanted more attention), that somehow negates the fact that several dozen people witnessed Flight 11 flying into the North Tower and then hundreds (because everyone's attention was trained on the burning North Tower and could therefore clearly see the South Tower) of people who were physically present in New York and NOT watching TV saw, physically, with their own eyes, Flight 175 fly directly into the South Tower? Let me remind you, these are people who were physically present in New York, many of whom were interviewed by news reporters the day of the events and very likely didn't have a chance to see ANY video footage of anything until much later; they're all lying/mistaken?

The capacity you have for self-delusion is astounding, it truly is.

I found a list with a lot of 911 fraud info: http://letsrollforums.com/new-9-11-links-t22087.html?p=182108#post182108

I haven't bothered checking any of the links yet though. :o
 
You're not listening to me, Anders.

YOU are apparently claiming that all the people who physically witnessed the planes (i.e. saw it with their own two eyes rather than watching it on television) are either deluded or outright lying, but have yet to provide any indication as to why you think they are deluded/lying. That is what I have asked, repeatedly, for you to provide. I could care less if you think they are deluded or lying; what I want to know is WHY they are deluded or lying. In your own words, please, not those you've copied and pasted from elsewhere.
 
I found a list with a lot of 911 fraud info: http://letsrollforums.com/new-9-11-links-t22087.html?p=182108#post182108

I haven't bothered checking any of the links yet though. :o

Yet you cling to them like they are gospel. I am sure you should present your evidence to the insurance adjusters who paid out millions to United Airlines, and American Airlines for the 4 planes that are no longer part of their fleet, or have you bothered to think that far ahead? You should probably read the all 43 videos thread before attempting to argue no planes, the idea is nonsense, only one more stupid than Judy Wood is 911thology's mini nuke theory.

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=175654&highlight=videos
 
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You're not listening to me, Anders.

YOU are apparently claiming that all the people who physically witnessed the planes (i.e. saw it with their own two eyes rather than watching it on television) are either deluded or outright lying, but have yet to provide any indication as to why you think they are deluded/lying. That is what I have asked, repeatedly, for you to provide. I could care less if you think they are deluded or lying; what I want to know is WHY they are deluded or lying. In your own words, please, not those you've copied and pasted from elsewhere.

I don't know if this answers your question but one thing that I have failed to find so far is witnesses who today push claims of not having seen any planes. Maybe they have been bought!
 
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Yet you cling to them like they are gospel. I am sure you should present your evidence to the insurance adjusters who paid out millions to United Airlines, and American Airlines for the 4 planes that are no longer part of their fleet, or have you bothered to think that far ahead? You should probably read the all 43 videos thread before attempting to argue no planes, the idea is nonsense, only one more stupid than Judy Wood is 911thology's mini nuke theory.

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=175654&highlight=videos

The insurance companies probably have been ordered to go along with the cover-up.
 
I don't know if this answers your question but one thing that I have failed to find so far is witnesses who today push claims of not having seen any planes.

Sabrina, are you beginning to get the idea that the words you write and the words Anders reads may not have a perfect 1:1 correspondence?

Dave
 
Oh I was at that point a while ago Dave; it's just fun to see him scramble for words.

Yes, I admit it; I'm truther-baiting.
 
Apart from just having made that up, why do you believe it?

Dave

I believe it's a huge cover-up going on. It's important to point out again: those who are doing the cover-up are INNOCENT when it comes to the actual 9/11 attacks on the WTC towers.
 
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