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King of the Americas said:
And here we have the last resort of the skeptic, "I don't BELIEVE you."

And that is really the basis for all skepticism, people, photographs, videos, historical denotations are "not to be believed"...
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No. It's an established fact that your story has changed over the years, and that you claim without evidence to have a written version from years ago that you won't share with us. There is virtually no chance that your friend's memory of this event has changed in the same way as your memory has.

Therefore, it's perfectly reasonable not to believe your amazing claim that your friends' recollection will reinforce your changing story about the event. 6 vs. "no less than 7," stars that morphed into cop lights, honking the horn vs. flashing the lights, etc. It's a confabulation of your own.
 
King of the Americas said:
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The "devil's spot" maybe? It was a technique of "trying a proposed witch" by poking her to find a numb spot. You keep poking her in different spots, until she stops protesting, then you kill her. Look it up...
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Once again, your memory seems to have failed you. I looked it up, and it seems you have gotten it wrong.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Witches'_mark

Witches' mark

According to witch-hunters during the height of the witch trials (c. 1645), the witches’ mark (also called a witches' teat) indicated that an individual was a witch. The witches' mark, witches' teat, and the devil's mark are all terms applied to essentially the same mark. The beliefs about the mark differ depending on the trial location and the accusation made against the witch. Evidence of the witches’ mark is found earliest in the 16th century, and reached its peak in 1645, then essentially disappeared by 1700.[1] The Devil's mark was believed to be the permanent marking of the Devil on his initiates to seal their obedience and service to him. He created the mark by raking his claw across their flesh, or by making a blue or red brand using a hot iron. Sometimes, the mark was believed to have been left by the Devil licking the individual.
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I see nothing about poking and prodding, numb spots, the accused protesting, etc...

Until and unless you can provide me with the source material your seemingly inaccurate claims were gleaned from, I'm going to assume that this is just another example of your memory distorting the facts, or more of your propensity for making it up as you go along with reckless disregard for accuracy.
 
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King of the Americas said:
I have my logic and reason, where conclusive proof remains absent.
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And your "logic and reason" are nothing like the real article. You still haven't given us a logical reason to believe you. You can't even give us a logical reason that you believe yourself.

If I heard a "quack", and saw webbed feet, and heard wings flap, I'd conclude it was a duck, while a skeptic WOULDN'T reach that conclusion without PROOF of the duck in question.

Skeptic abandon both logic and reason in the absence of evidence, and hold that no conclusion can be reached.
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Straw man.

I DID NOT "see lights, then leap to believe in aliens"...
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Yes. That is exactly what you did.
 
bruto said:
So you say in this post in response to one argument, and yet most of this thread has consisted in your insistence, often vehement and bordering on actionably impolite, that you do actually know what these entities are! Your proposed plan to invite them to return is entirely dependent on your supposition of what they are. Much of this thread has been involved with your insistence that you know what they are. You have insisted here that they are not aliens, and even that, although they are or were the bloodthirsty gods of precolumbian times, they have evolved.

So yes, you've been inconsistent, not only over the last ten years, but over the last weeks of this thread. If addressing your supposition about what these so-called ET's are is meaningless, then a large proportion of your argument here has been meaningless as well. You just can't have it both ways.
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I only know that they are non-human.
 
I see that the witches' mark went the way of the diving bell story. It's almost like he's making it up as he goes along. Go back to the first several pages here; there were tons of good questions that would need answering before inviting ET whatevers to "return" to earth. Like these from GeeMack:

GeeMack said:
King of the Americas said:
GeeMack,

If U.F.O.'s were piloted by the gods of the ancients texts, how might we get them to come back down?

*Do you think it would be a good idea to invite them, as a global society, to descend during a "Moment Skyward" section of the Opening Ceremonies of the next Olympics?
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I think whoever made up the scenario left out some very important points. All the responses so far have answered to the fantasy. Nobody said this, that, or the other thing was against the rules. Do these made up aliens understand English, French, Morse Code? Can they read sheet music? Are they able to perceive varying frequencies of light, radio waves, sound? Do they see everything in black and white, red and blue, a range of colors far beyond our own ability to see colors? Are they a million miles away, a thousand, hiding behind the moon, just outside our atmosphere but cloaked and invisible? Do we have to wait for them to come through a time hole or from another dimension? Can we send our request through that time hole or into that other dimension? Psychically? By smell? With shapes? Does a cake with varying thicknesses of layers mean something to these made up aliens? And that's just getting started.
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King, you're in the wrong thread for this. This is the "let's pretend" thread where all the anecdotes are true. Your story about lights in the sky making right-angle turns doesn't matter in this thread. This one is about your olympic petition. Are you losing track?
 
No biggie. It's easy to lose track as KotA ignores the substantive, on-topic posts like the one I quoted, preferring to snipe back and forth in logical fallacy land.
 
King of the Americas said:
And how WOULD we go about showing that we have abandon religion and embraced science, if not to unit under the sky, in a secular global manner and invite the gods to come out from behind the mist AT THE OLYMPICS???

I think I WILL add the fossil fuel thing, though...

So now we've got:

-"a moment skyward"

-reverting back to the bronze age

-flaunting our whores

-ending civilization

-STOP using fossil fuels

...?
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Interssting that you are invoking a religious imagery to show that we are not religious. I think that if THEY do exist that they are will aware of what is happening. They can follow the news as well as anyone else, as long at PTL and Al-jazra (sp) broad cast their particualr mode of religious fever to wide audiences and that there are actual leagal arguemnts over things such as 'Creation Science" instead of being laughed our of the court room. We as a society need to promote critical thinking and objective analysis of the data and avoid manufacturing causes where there is none.
 
Quick update - There are now 100 electronic signatures for a "moment skyward" at that phishing petition site.
 
King of the Americas said:
I have no answer for you, and your first question, as I feel it doesn't matter to the discussion at hand.

I'd further refer you to Rramjet's #'s. There are some 20-38% of sightings that have no mundane answer or solution. Your second question misrepresents the facts.
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And this was the failing of Ramjets logic in that other thread. At this time there are 20-38% that are still unknown. Period end of story. This means that insufficient infomration was available to idenitify the UFO so it remains unknown. That does NOT mean that it was not a mundane event and was necesarily something undiscovered.

In order to claim that a percentage of those have to be non-mundane you would need to establish a known set of confirmed non-mundane events as a subset of all sightings. Do date this has not occured.
 
King of the Americas said:
I only know that they are non-human.
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Well, then, you need to rethink (or reimagine as the case may be) your entire approach to this issue, specifically to the issue of inviting them to land (I'm still assuming, for the purpose of this thread, that "they" exist at all). "Non-human" is just too broad and dangerous a category to invite to lunch before you know a bit more about them.
 
Waterman said:
Interssting that you are invoking a religious imagery to show that we are not religious. I think that if THEY do exist that they are will aware of what is happening. They can follow the news as well as anyone else, as long at PTL and Al-jazra (sp) broad cast their particualr mode of religious fever to wide audiences and that there are actual leagal arguemnts over things such as 'Creation Science" instead of being laughed our of the court room. We as a society need to promote critical thinking and objective analysis of the data and avoid manufacturing causes where there is none.
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Okay, but the question remains how does a less advanced earthbound society make known to those flying above that they want to make contact?

Be they the tribesmen and our airplanes, or be it modern society and whatever is flying above us...?
 
King of the Americas said:
Okay, but the question remains how does a less advanced earthbound society make known to those flying above that they want to make contact?

Be they the tribesmen and our airplanes, or be it modern society and whatever is flying above us...?
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They use something like SETI.

Looking up in unison is a silly idea. Sending an invitation the Olympics is as silly as inviting them (or Madonna) to the up-coming royal wedding in the UK.

If they are there, they *know* we'd be interested in them. There'd be little point in coming all this way, studying us, then just slinking off. If that were the case, they'd be the least effective students of anything I have ever heard off.

It'd be like going to your aunty's house, then seeing the lights on, deciding you didn't want to disturb her when you got there and went home again.

For your own sake, give this up and go back to practicing your stone work. It will be ultimately more rewarding for you.

They aren't there.
 
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