Merged Freeman on the Land in America/lawful rebellion/sovereign citizens

my ill will said:
Once you have redeemed the straw man and own him, then any further commercial process done by any person (like an attorney, a judge, or law enforcement office without your consent) is slander of credit against your straw man. This is a federal criminal securities violation that means prison for them.
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Uh-huh.

In April 1996, while the Freemen were engaged in the first month of an armed 81-day stand-off with the FBI at their Jordan, Montana compound, Roeder was pulled over and arrested by Shawnee county deputies for driving without a valid license plate. Instead Roeder had a tag reading, "Sovereign private property. Immunity declared by law. Non-commercial American.''

Roeder had been on an FBI list of Freemen, and when a deputy searched the trunk of his car, he found weapons, ammunition, a gas mask , and bomb-making materials: a fuse cord, a pound of black powder, two nine-volt batteries, and a switch for a bomb-trigger.

Roeder was then charged and subsequently convicted of felonious possession and use of explosives, driving with a suspended license, and having neither vehicle registration nor car insurance.

Following his conviction, Roeder was released on probation with intensive monitoring, and he was required to have no more contact with anarchist anti-government groups that advocated violence. Yet, Roeder soon violated parole in 1997 by refusing to pay his taxes and give his employer a social security number, which earned him a 16 month sentence in state prison.

However, in December of that year, the Kansas Court of Appeals, threw out his conviction on the technical grounds that the officer arresting Roeder had improperly searched his car.
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Jesus Christ. Can't believe that a court would let a terrorist go on a technicality like that. He didn't even have a lisence plate.
 
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Puppycow said:
Uh-huh.



Jesus Christ. Can't believe that a court would let a terrorist go on a technicality like that. He didn't even have a lisence plate.
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He´s not a terrorist, he´s a patriot. Terrorists are foreigners with weird names who come from weird countries and believe in weird gods.
 
Ladewig said:
...We are talking about people who believe that if one is being sued in civil court, all one has to do is utter the phrase "admiralty flag" while pointing at the U.S. flag displayed in the courtroom and the judge will immediately stop the proceeding and dismiss the case...
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I don’t know. If I was a judge and case came in front of me and the defendant started pointing in the corner and yelling "ADMIRALTY FLAG! ADMIRALTY FLAG!" I would be sorely tempted to dismiss the case just to get that looney out of my hair.
 
The Freeman Movement and America

Why is it that Americans are the ones who need the movement the most, but aren't standing up to move??
 
Because we don't need it? We're sitting pretty in the land of plenty with free speech, lots of rights, prosperity, and a rich legacy of Solid Gold dancers which once roamed freely across the land. I don't know which America you're in, but the one I'm in is pretty darn good.
 
Well... I'm from Mississippi.

That's the land where both CONSTITUTIONS of Mississippi *and* the United States of America are ignored.

Takes for example...

Mississippi: "The right of every citizen to keep and bear arms in defense of his home, person, or property, or in aid of the civil power where thereto legally summoned, shall not be called in question, but the legislature may regulate or forbid carrying concealed weapons." Miss. Const. art. III, § 12.
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No Mississippi government agent will tell you that I have the right to carry an UNCONCEALED weapon without a permit, even tho they swear an oath to defend and protect my right to do so.

I have been thrown in a holding cell for telling a judge that his loaded question was irrelevant (which it truly was; even the prosecutor had no clue how to answer the question, which is why the judge then asked me; and the cop was hanging his head as he had to put me in cuffs (just doing his job he says); but I'll save that for another time), so what happened to my RIGHT to free speech??

What about my right to travel in any modern conveyance?? Older Supreme Court cases say, of course, liberty refers to travel. How can you have liberty and not travel. This is why it wasn't included in the Bill of Rights, because it was so obvious. But now we can't use conveyances that are SAFER than horse and buggy, unless we ask for permission??

Things are not as good as they seem. Most of us get nothing in return for 60% of our salaries going toward various tax, insurance schemes... other than an increase in policy enforcement officers and harassment.

There have been a number of times I have been stopped, while walking or riding a bicycle at night time... because there was a robery nearby. *EVERY* time I run across a cop at night, there was just a robbery right where I was?? What did they rob?? One set of clothing? Understood on the bicycle part, if a bicycle was really reported stolen. But then why did they demand I take pictures. And as I roll the bicycle with me, preparing for the picture, they demand me to put the bike down??

I bet things are great for you if you stay inside and watch Fox News all day.
 
Did you know that you can be arrested in Mississippi for not having the proper lighting equipment, including on a bicycle?!?
 
Did you know that "the People" are the sovereign leaders in a Constitutional Republic??
Yet our will is not done???

2/3rds of Americans have wanted Universal Health Insurance (I didn't say Obamacare, now did I?) for decades. So why don't we have it yet?

Wars that we don't want.... why do we have them, then?

Do I have to deal with this society? No.
Or can I leave society, yet remain on the land? Short answer, yes.

Can I be required to carry an ID? No.

Do you know what a "state Citizen" is, and how it differs from a U.S. citizen?

Are you obligated to register your child with THE STATE? Why would you do so? So they can take him/her from you if you decide you want to home educate them? (HINT: school are for fishes)

Why do you need to get a marriage license from THE STATE before you can get married? Why let THE STATE come between your marriage? Isn't marriage between a man, woman, and God?

Why is it that Christian Scientists cannot be arrested for failing to take their children to the hospital when sick? Because it's their RIGHT to have the freedom of religion. Law and Legalities are not the same thing.

Do you actually have a SSN? Or does the Social Security Administrator own it? (HINT: It's on the card)

There are layers and layers of deception, and most people don't see any of it because they're stuck in front of a TV.

People aren't going to be able to collect what they've put into The System, because they're not keeping check on their politicians. It's a sham. I mean... It's a shame.

SECTION 5.
All political power is vested in, and derived from, the people; all government of right originates with the people, is founded upon their will only, and is instituted solely for the good of the whole.

SOURCES: 1817 art I �2; 1832 art I �2.

SECTION 6.
The people of this state have the inherent, sole, and exclusive right to regulate the internal government and police thereof, and to alter and abolish their constitution and form of government whenever they deem it necessary to their safety and happiness; provided, such change be not repugnant to the constitution of the United States.

SOURCES: 1817 art I �2; 1832 art I �2.
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Everybody knows there's a problem here, but they don't want to come to terms with reality.

It's the normalcy bias. Nothing could every go wrong here.

Tick, tock, tick, tock.
 
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Why don't you move to Somalia, since them seen to have the kind of government that you like?
 
grndslm said:
There have been a number of times I have been stopped, while walking or riding a bicycle at night time... because there was a robery nearby. *EVERY* time I run across a cop at night, there was just a robbery right where I was??
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Move to a better neighborhood.
 
grndslm said:
Well... I'm from Mississippi.
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You need to do either of the following:-

a) get a Judgement in the Supreme Court of Mississippi that validates / supports Freeman legal theory.

or

b) March on Jackson with several 100,000 of your fellow Mississippian 'freemen' & overthrow the whole 'rotten system'.

Report back to us when you've achieved a) or b). Anything else is just wasting our time (& yours)

Cheerio
 
You need to do either of the following:-

a) get a Judgement in the Supreme Court of Mississippi that validates / supports Freeman legal theory.

or

b) March on Jackson with several 100,000 of your fellow Mississippian 'freemen' & overthrow the whole 'rotten system'.

Report back to us when you've achieved a) or b). Anything else is just wasting our time (& yours)

Cheerio
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Couldn't have put it better myself, cut the nonsense.
Its time we nipped these freeman numpties in the bud.

Lets just keep them on topic, rebutting grndlsm is pointless he just ignores the facts and carries on regardless.
 
grndslm said:
I have been thrown in a holding cell for telling a judge that his loaded question was irrelevant (which it truly was; even the prosecutor had no clue how to answer the question, which is why the judge then asked me; and the cop was hanging his head as he had to put me in cuffs (just doing his job he says); but I'll save that for another time), so what happened to my RIGHT to free speech??

I bet things are great for you if you stay inside and watch Fox News all day.
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Cool, albeit totally incomprehensible, story bro.

Free Speech does not equal mouthing off to a judge in Court, bro.
 
grndslm said:
Why is it that Americans are the ones who need the movement the most, but aren't standing up to move??
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I can't speak for everyone but I'll tell you why I won't move:

I went to law school and learned that freeman on the land are out of their bleepity bleeping minds. Seriously, I've never heard a FOTL claim that was even remotely true.
 
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But now we can't use conveyances that are SAFER than horse and buggy, unless we ask for permission??
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You need permission to take a bus train or aircraft?

Did you know that you can be arrested in Mississippi for not having the proper lighting equipment, including on a bicycle?!?
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Same in the UK, red at the rear, white to the front and a reflector on each wheel. It helps cars avoid killing you inthe dark.
 
ANd mouthing off to a judge when he is on the bench is really,really,stupid.
ANd you do know your right to free speech is not unlimited when it comes to where, when, and how.You can't rent a truck and go into a residential neighborhood at Three o Clock in the Morning with loudspeakers blaring you rant of the day.
 
grndslm said:
Did you know that "the People" are the sovereign leaders in a Constitutional Republic??
Yet our will is not done???

2/3rds of Americans have wanted Universal Health Insurance (I didn't say Obamacare, now did I?) for decades. So why don't we have it yet?

Wars that we don't want.... why do we have them, then?

Do I have to deal with this society? No.
Or can I leave society, yet remain on the land? Short answer, yes.

Can I be required to carry an ID? No.

Do you know what a "state Citizen" is, and how it differs from a U.S. citizen?

Are you obligated to register your child with THE STATE? Why would you do so? So they can take him/her from you if you decide you want to home educate them? (HINT: school are for fishes)

Why do you need to get a marriage license from THE STATE before you can get married? Why let THE STATE come between your marriage? Isn't marriage between a man, woman, and God?

Why is it that Christian Scientists cannot be arrested for failing to take their children to the hospital when sick? Because it's their RIGHT to have the freedom of religion. Law and Legalities are not the same thing.

Do you actually have a SSN? Or does the Social Security Administrator own it? (HINT: It's on the card)

There are layers and layers of deception, and most people don't see any of it because they're stuck in front of a TV.

People aren't going to be able to collect what they've put into The System, because they're not keeping check on their politicians. It's a sham. I mean... It's a shame.


Everybody knows there's a problem here, but they don't want to come to terms with reality.

It's the normalcy bias. Nothing could every go wrong here.

Tick, tock, tick, tock.
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Well, i get a check every month from the Feds, one from the state and one from that evil corporation that I worked for so I'm collecting.
 
grndslm said:
Well... I'm from Mississippi.

That's the land where both CONSTITUTIONS of Mississippi *and* the United States of America are ignored.
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Speaking of ignoring, you seem to be ignoring this post and those in direct response to it.

Can you give us a good reason why?
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