Muslim researcher explains how 9/11 was made

[mehmetin]

Ah. Small point here. Why would you attach cables to hydraulic pipes?

To avoid any security problem, nothing could be changed in the plane. All systems should remain as they are.

The only possibility is creating a mechanical pilot that substitute himself to the killed human pilots. As the plane was flying and that it's not necessary to land or take off, only simulating the pilot controls is enough.

 

[Pardalis]

No, In general. You have said multiple times that evidence was fake or someone is lying. Do you have a standard to determine this?

Other than their last names sound vaguely Jewish?

 

[Thunder]

Bush is a Jewish name. Therefore, the Jews did 9-11.

 

[mehmetin]

I hope the only reason you say the FBI is lying isn't because they are saying something that contradicts your position mehmetin. For your sake I hope you have some evidence that they are lying.

According to another graphic that you can find here http://www.post-gazette.com/headlines/20011028flt93mainstoryp7.asp , you can see that the plane was high up to 10:04 and crashed very quickly.

Whe nI told you that the plane was at 35000 ft altitude from 9:00 to 9:42, I was very positive for your scenario.

As the family told also, at least two phone calls were made from 35000ft altitude. That means the FBI lied about these calls. Why did they lie? Because the cellular phones could not work at such altitude.

The phone calls are not evidence for the official story, they prove that the official story is white lie.

 

[DGM]

The phone calls are not evidence for the official story, they prove that the official story is white lie.

Only in your mind. You see for the "official story" they are meaningless. The whole body of evidence makes them that way. For you however they are critical, it gives you the "gray area" your whole theory is based on.

If it's not too much trouble, I am still waiting for an explanation as to how you decide what evidence is real or fake.

 

[alienentity]

As the family told also, at least two phone calls were made from 35000ft altitude. That means the FBI lied about these calls. Why did they lie? Because the cellular phones could not work at such altitude.

The phone calls are not evidence for the official story, they prove that the official story is white lie.

Again, you cannot know what you claim to know, unless you have direct evidence of perjury on the part of the FBI. And if you really did have evidence, any of you truthers could use it to prosecute the FBI - it wouldn't be too difficult. But since the evidence exists only in your minds, you can't do anything but accuse them of lying - but really it's probably you who is lying.

That also doesn't account for the airphone records, unless you accuse the airlines and airphone companies of also lying. But of course you have no evidence of that either.....

Most peculiar in your thinking is that you purport to know more about the phone calls than the people who actually received them. Not one of the people who spoke with victims of UA93 had trouble identifying the callers as people they knew. Spouses, sons, etc...

Yet you, and others like you, claim to know that those weren't the real people they were speaking to. The fact is you don't know, and you can't know, what you claim to know. Reality isn't just something you make up in your head, like your claims of magic voice morphed phone calls.
Unless you could produce direct evidence that phone calls were fake (which you cannot except by misrepresentation) then we must accept they were real, and that your claims are wrong.

If you can produce a phone record, from the phone company, which proves what you claim, you should stop making the claim, and stop accusing the FBI of lying. You have no business continuing to do so unless you produce real evidence.

 

[9/11 Chewy Defense]

The phone calls are not evidence for the official story, they prove that the official story is white lie.

Yeah right, atleast researchers like us aren't covering for the terrorists.

LMAO! He got mad cause I questioned him about being sympathtic to the terrorists:

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=201241

 

[tsig]

By telling they installed a modified tomahawk control system, I mean they developped a custom system based on thomahawk control system. The main computer and all electronics are almost not modified, only the servo actuators are designed to be able to simulate the movements of the arms of the pilots. In that case, there is no relation between the electronic systems of the plane and the added control system, same as the human pilots who have no connection with the systems of the plane.

In automation view point, such system is enough to make the planes hit their targets.

A robot?

 

[Cl1mh4224rd]

A robot?

The only possibility is creating a mechanical pilot that substitute himself to the killed human pilots.

A robot...

Where are the Three Laws when you need them?

 

[alienentity]

You've also overlooked, once again, the fact that Deena Burnett said she spoke with her husband on the phone.
She did not think it was a fake phone call. Since you believe her, then you must also believe that she spoke with him, and that the phone call was not fake.

To do otherwise is to be intellectually dishonest.

Or, you could admit that she might be mistaken. In that case, she could be mistaken about both speaking with her husband, and that the call was made from a cell phone.

In that case, you still do not know. All you have is her word on the subject. That's perfectly fine with me: she believes she spoke with her husband, and believes he called from his cell phone. End of story. We can accept it without further speculation and move on.

 

[9/11 Chewy Defense]

A robot...

Where are the Three Laws when you need them?

Right here :

1. A robot may not injure a human being or, through inaction, allow a human being to come to harm.

2. A robot must obey any orders given to it by human beings, except where such orders would conflict with the First Law.

3. A robot must protect its own existence as long as such protection does not conflict with the First or Second Law.

Mehmetin, you have been weighed, you have been measured and you have been found wanting.

 

[Jackanory]

I do not ask you to believe me. But every detail of that scenario has been decided after long checks, interconnections with other evidences, … check the possibility, the reliability, the best manner to make it, remove all possible problems, …


This problem was solved with the wire tap of the passengers made by the “Israeli Spy Ring” during the weeks before the events to be sure the intended people were the right persons who will board the planes.

Then you have the 'smokin gun' and can put this whole sad situation to bed. Use your honed research skills and find the 10 most prominent human rights lawyers, investigative journalists and Muslim clerics and inform them of your findings. You should also contact KSM's legal team, UBL's daughter and son, UBL's bodyguard and the families of those 19 scumbags. Ensure that you give them your contact details.

footnote.........

These Jews sure are a special breed. Not only do they control the world........they can foresee the future and predict, out of 6 Billion people, who was going to be on those flights. But to ensure that they got it right............they wire tapped the whole planet.

I suppose that these super Jews would find it easy to trace any IP address and do some dastardly deed to any Muslim badmouthing them.

Knock Knock................lol.

 

[Wolrab]

Beachnut, probably you got a point with that. I should search better position for the control system. May be you can help? You'll become a good investigator!
The question is: "where do the cables accessible from? I let you tell us.

Don't tell us "nowhere" because the cables should be accessible for maintenance and checking purposes.

Too late. IIRC he is already a fully trained and capable aircraft crash investigator.
If you were smart, you'd take some schoolin' from him.

 

[JohnG]

Your arguments in that post are sincere, and I thanks you for your sincerity.

You're welcome.

- Mark Bingham speaking to his mother and telling : “Mrs. Bingham, this is your son Tom Bingham”. Can you imagine a people speaking to his mother like that? But this simply solwed by telling “Mark is always speaking in that official way!”

Sure it sounds a little odd to you and me, we didn't know the late Mr. Bingham or his mother, but you've never had some running in-joke with a friend or family member? The sort of thing that might seem strange or even cruel to someone who didn't understand the context and history of the joke? You don't think he was maybe trying to keep himself calm (and keep his mother calm) by attempting a little "whistling through the graveyard" humor? You think it's more likely that the conspiracists were clever enough to fool everyone with the faked phone calls, but could slip up in such a strangely spectacular fashion? In any case, the mother confirms that he often called her using the "this is your son..." line. Is the mother part of the conspiracy? Is she being coerced or bribed into saying that? I have a running joke with a friend of mine that when I call her or she calls me the first thing I say is "you're on speakerphone". The history behind that "joke" (such as it is) is a long and not overly interesting story. Someone overhearing the conversation who observed that the call was clearly not on speakerphone might find my greeting odd and maybe even suspicious (e.g., assuming "you're on speakerphone" was some cryptic and highly meaningful code-phrase), but their suspicions would be totally unfounded. So too are your suspicions over the "this is your son" phone call, in my opinion.

Good scenario, but you must admit that this highly improbable. We can all have some memory gap, forget something, … But also, the car of that man was clean, nothing has changed, but in that case of 9/11 there are too many unanswered questions.

I think you are missing the point of my story somewhat. What I'm saying is that when a person believes with absolute, unswayable certainty that they are right about something (that they are in actuality wrong about), they are forced to come up with increasingly odd and improbable explanations to square their belief with any contradictory evidence. This is what you (and frankly all "Truthers") do, whether you are consciously aware of it or not.

Also, as I told here up, I had to change several times my opinion when I reached some impossible things.

That's good to hear. For the record, a lot of what you currently believe probably isn't technically speaking "impossible", but it is wildly improbable and certainly much less probable than the so called "official story".

Let me guess: It’s highly probable that you are alder than 40 years! Isn’t it?

Highly

 

[Justin39640]

By telling they installed a modified tomahawk control system, I mean they developped a custom system based on thomahawk control system. The main computer and all electronics are almost not modified, only the servo actuators are designed to be able to simulate the movements of the arms of the pilots. In that case, there is no relation between the electronic systems of the plane and the added control system, same as the human pilots who have no connection with the systems of the plane.

In automation view point, such system is enough to make the planes hit their targets.

It would have been easier to plug a TomTom into a Macbook and have that fly the plane via USB. lol

 

[Justin39640]

FBI is lying. The family clearly told from the first to the last phone calls, they saw the cell phone number of their phone. So, someone was simulating his phone number. Do not search unsupported claims. US government claims are unfounded, they are lying.

She said when he called the first few times she didn't see the number because she was on the other line ("call waiting"). Not everyone had "call waiting caller ID" cause it used to not be free.

 

[beachnut]

Beachnut, probably you got a point with that. I should search better position for the control system. May be you can help? You'll become a good investigator!

The question is: "where do the cables accessible from? I let you tell us.

Don't tell us "nowhere" because the cables should be accessible for maintenance and checking purposes.

There is no way to do the modification you want without tearing the plane apart. It could take months, or more. A one of a kind system could cost a billion dollars. Changes made to an existing plane would leave a trail bigger than McVeigh left.

The nose part was hilarious. What is your next guess?

Are you the guy with the moronic gas claims? Are you going to gas the pilot's oxygen system too?

I find it offensive you are blaming others for the work of 19 murderers, doing it with fantasy, made up lies, without evidence. Do your parents know you are making fun of Americans being killed and blaming Israel? Are they happy about it? When is school out for the summer?

 

[Justin39640]

A robot?

Couldn't find the English version

 

[beachnut]

Couldn't find the English version

Sounds cool, skip the English.
Every-time I hear remote control, this is what is worthy of 911 truth.

 

[fess]

To avoid any security problem, nothing could be changed in the plane. All systems should remain as they are.

The only possibility is creating a mechanical pilot that substitute himself to the killed human pilots. As the plane was flying and that it's not necessary to land or take off, only simulating the pilot controls is enough.

Since when did the Tomahawk missile guidance system incorporate a scenic route program in its TERCON program? After all, did not Flt 175 fly over five different states?

How did the Tomahawk guidance system work with the 757/767 FMC when the programs are not compatible? Did the Tomahawk guidance system turn the FMC off? If so… how?

These are the easy questions. Once these are answered, the tough questions can be asked.

Oops, four states.