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SOdhner said:
Well THERE's your problem!

But seriously, Rramjet has such a low standard of evidence that it's worthless to cite anything he says on the matter. He is focused on quantity rather than quality because to him anecdotes count as evidence and the value of evidence is measured by weight - more stories means they must be true!.
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As a refutation I would simply draw your attention to the cases presented in THIS post (see the list of cases at the end of the post).

KotA: - your thesis is at least an interesting one - that the gods spoken about in ancient times are actually ET. I think this connection might be of interest in such a thesis (http://www.bibleufo.com/zezekiel.htm) - as might an exploration of the ancient Mesopotamian "Oannes as alien" connection.
 
Rramjet said:
As a refutation I would simply draw your attention to the cases presented in THIS post (see the list of cases at the end of the post).

KotA: - your thesis is at least an interesting one - that the gods spoken about in ancient times are actually ET. I think this connection might be of interest in such a thesis (http://www.bibleufo.com/zezekiel.htm) - as might an exploration of the ancient Mesopotamian "Oannes as alien" connection.
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That's a good website there RR I do prefer http://www.HEYwearebiasedaboutUFOs.com/Aliens_and_proof_in_Bible.html
 
SOdhner said:
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Setting that aside, we still have the QUALITY of visit. A few fly-by UFOs? Lame! Let's get the gods back, with the flashy shows of power and acts of creation and destruction!

Destroying civilization is the only logical way to go about this.
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Well, let's try this "moment skyward" thing first. If that doesn't work,then we'll consider the whole destroying civilization thing...

That said, if we faced utter extinction, I think 'they'd' show up, and attempt to save a handful of us, not unlike we would do if we saw a species going down the tubes.
 
bruto said:
The errors in history are still errors, and considering scripture as history is a misunderstanding of what both scripture and history are. Biblical accounts of creation are not history, any more than they are biology or chemistry. The fact that they may contain bits of the same facts that history might, if there had been such a thing then, does not make them history. To regard scripture as just "history with errors" is a recipe for disastrous misunderstanding.
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That is not what I said...

Tossing out religious texts because they contain confabulations will and has led to a disastrous misunderstandings of our history.
 
Rramjet said:
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KotA: - your thesis is at least an interesting one - that the gods spoken about in ancient times are actually ET. I think this connection might be of interest in such a thesis (http://www.bibleufo.com/zezekiel.htm) - as might an exploration of the ancient Mesopotamian "Oannes as alien" connection.
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I'm not the first to equate god(s) with E.T.'s. That said, I am one of the first to suggest that there are no "aliens" mucking about our immediate heavens. Holding that 'they' could well be from here and our ancient past, is indeed a new and different stance.

Requiring that U.F.O.'s be capable of interstellar travel, in order to exist, is flatly wrong.
 
King of the Americas said:
That is not what I said...

Tossing out religious texts because they contain confabulations will and has led to a disastrous misunderstandings of our history.
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My comments are based on your assertion that biblical accounts of the creation have any value as historical evidence, in particular the statement that man was created in God's image. Have you thought about what history is, and how it is done? Do you really think that this was written by people who observed the creation of mankind? Come on here, use your head.
 
bruto said:
My comments are based on your assertion that biblical accounts of the creation have any value as historical evidence, in particular the statement that man was created in God's image. Have you thought about what history is, and how it is done? Do you really think that this was written by people who observed the creation of mankind? Come on here, use your head.
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I know how history is 'done'. I also know what is done TO history, as time passes, especially among the oldest of tales.

History becomes myth, as actual evidence disappears. Then it turns into religion, where all hope of identifying truth disappears.

That said, I find error in those ways...
 
King of the Americas said:
Well, let's try this "moment skyward" thing first. If that doesn't work,then we'll consider the whole destroying civilization thing...
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You do your thing and I'll do mine.

Your view upward might be obscured by the smoke from civilization burning, sorry about that.

Anyway, I'm not sure why this thread is still going. You originally said:

King of the Americas said:
The question is how do we make contact, or otherwise 'invite' them back, so we can all meet face to face?

[snip your Olympics plan]

How else would one go about reaching out to them?
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But when I suggested an alternate way you dismissed it for the one you had already thought of. Are you actually looking for other ideas, or have you already decided? Is there a further point to this conversation?
 
King of the Americas said:
I know how history is 'done'. I also know what is done TO history, as time passes, especially among the oldest of tales.

History becomes myth, as actual evidence disappears. Then it turns into religion, where all hope of identifying truth disappears.

That said, I find error in those ways...
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No sir. History is intentional. The very idea of history as a discipline or a pursuit separate from anything else is relatively modern (somewhere perhaps between Herodotus and Thucydides). A certain amount of factual content in an account does not make it history by itself if the intention of the document was not historical. A religious document is a religious document, not history. It is no more history for having a few true accounts in it than it is biology because it happens to include undistorted accounts of what a goat eats, or chemistry because we can retroactively guess at the polymers described in the building of Noah's mythical ark. In any case, there is absolutely no possibility of the creation myth being historical. THERE WAS NOBODY THERE! Do you understand why it can't be history? Shall I repeat it in bold and red? THERE WAS NOBODY THERE!
 
SOdhner said:
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But when I suggested an alternate way you dismissed it for the one you had already thought of. Are you actually looking for other ideas, or have you already decided? Is there a further point to this conversation?
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I am open to any and all serious efforts or suggestions, upon coaxing 'their return'...if I missed yours I apologize.
 
King of the Americas said:
I am open to any and all serious efforts or suggestions, upon coaxing 'their return'...if I missed yours I apologize.
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I don't think you missed it, exactly - just dismissed it. My suggestion is to destroy civilization as we know it and revert back to a more primitive state.

I think that fits the available data more closely than your plan, actually. I mean, we look up more often now than ever and yet our sightings are lamer all the time.

Also, the gods would need to be paying attention to notice your plan. For mine, they would only need to be checking up on us occasionally - if they didn't see it right away they would sure notice sooner or later.
 
King of the Americas said:
'I' would call Rramjet's contribution here as, full, complete, and utterly convincing if you've taken the time to ACTUALLY read it.
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Actually, you'll need to go to that thread and really read it for comprehension. Then you may wish to contribute there. It's off topic here.

When you IGNORE the evidence someone presents, then disparage their research, THAT's ignorance...
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You haven't presented any evidence. You have presented your argument from (drum roll) IGNORANCE.
 
bruto said:
No sir. History is intentional. The very idea of history as a discipline or a pursuit separate from anything else is relatively modern (somewhere perhaps between Herodotus and Thucydides). A certain amount of factual content in an account does not make it history by itself if the intention of the document was not historical. A religious document is a religious document, not history. It is no more history for having a few true accounts in it than it is biology because it happens to include undistorted accounts of what a goat eats, or chemistry because we can retroactively guess at the polymers described in the building of Noah's mythical ark. In any case, there is absolutely no possibility of the creation myth being historical. THERE WAS NOBODY THERE! Do you understand why it can't be history? Shall I repeat it in bold and red? THERE WAS NOBODY THERE!
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Okay...things happened, before people could write and RECORD literal 'history'... History, in my mind, is the pursuit of past truths. Evidence of which gets more scarce and harder to verify as authentic, everyday. In some old societies, people lives for hundreds of years, using only verbal messages past down for generations. This too is 'history'.

Our history, the 'story' of how we 'stepped out of nature' is lost to us, or I guess the best way to put it is "we've mis-interpreted religion, mythology, and our history..."

THERE HAVE ALWAYS BEEN LOTS OF US EVERYWHERE.
 
SOdhner said:
I don't think you missed it, exactly - just dismissed it. My suggestion is to destroy civilization as we know it and revert back to a more primitive state.

I think that fits the available data more closely than your plan, actually. I mean, we look up more often now than ever and yet our sightings are lamer all the time.

Also, the gods would need to be paying attention to notice your plan. For mine, they would only need to be checking up on us occasionally - if they didn't see it right away they would sure notice sooner or later.
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Well, when the asteroid hits, and we are all standing in our own ash, at least we'll have that to look forward to...
 
King of the Americas said:
Well, when the asteroid hits, and we are all standing in our own ash, at least we'll have that to look forward to...
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Well, if you want to take the passive approach, yeah. I prefer to take an active hand in my destiny - I think we should destroy all the technology ourselves rather than waiting for some rock.

In addition to that, any asteroid that manages to wipe out technology on a global scale will likely eliminate humanity and not leave us able to look forward to anything at all.
 
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