Muslim researcher explains how 9/11 was made

[mehmetin]

Wrong, there is evidence to support dead pilots

You should explain how the pilots of AA11 left the hijackers kill them within 16 seconds exactly between two orders of Pete Zalewski. Even when the hijackers come from back, the pilots can stop their hands and fight with them.

But if they are gassed, they feel nothing and they die within seconds. That's what we saw.

You just proved the pilots were killed before they could set the hijacked code. OOPS, your failed logic is debunking your insane claims.

I also proved that within 16 seconds only gas can kill the pilots!

Why do you support 19 murderers by making up lies?

I do not support any criminal, even if they are Muslims, a criminal is a criminal! That's all.

But why do you refuse to explain the succession of the hijacks? So simple and reliable fact!

 

[DGM]

mehmetin:

I noticed you ignored the question as to what happens when a pilot keys the hijack code. Reality too hard for you?

 

[mehmetin]

Turn off the transponder the code is no longer received

For your convenience a 767 cockpit. Now which knob are they turning without being noticed?

I do not need to know which knob they turn! I am engineer! I know that such emergency code should be designed to be keed easily. That's enough.

 

[DGM]

I do not need to know which knob they turn! I am engineer! I know that such emergency code should be designed to be keed easily. That's enough.

So you base your claims on what you believe should be true. Wouldn't research be a better way to come to a conclusion?

 

[mehmetin]

Do you think the terrorists asked the pilots to leave their seats? Can you imagine the crazy Islamic suicide terrorists taking planes by asking so very nice, "Please mr pilot, get out of seat!".

Yes, that's what they would do. But there was no terrorists on board. There was automatic control system able to fly the planes to their targets and at first they send sarin kind military gas into the cockpit and into the plane, killing everybody on board.

 

[A W Smith]

Yes, that's what they would do. But there was no terrorists on board. There was automatic control system able to fly the planes to their targets and at first they send sarin kind military gas into the cockpit and into the plane, killing everybody on board.

Sorry you lose, No means to remote control 757 or 767, You are late as this was debunked in 2006, , Cable controls of surfaces make remote flight impossible. They couldnt even hit the wing severing pylons when by remote control they tried to experiment with crashes with gelled fuel, 911 caused by terrorists who worshiped an imaginary guy in the sky.

dont look or you will burn in hell.. OOPS TOO LATE.

 

[mehmetin]

Sorry you lose, No means to remote control 757 or 767, You are late as this was debunked in 2006, , Cable controls of surfaces make remote flight impossible. They couldnt even hit the wing severing pylons when by remote control they tried to experiment with crashes with gelled fuel, 911 caused by terrorists who worshiped an imaginary guy in the sky. [qimg]http://i294.photobucket.com/albums/mm89/AWSmith1955/Mohammed.jpg[/qimg]

dont look or you will burn in hell.. OOPS TOO LATE.

You should read my first post: "I wont answer to insults and ad-hominem attacks." I should add "I won't answer to provocations too!" That's why many posts are not answered.

But here you have also an argument: "Sorry you lose, No means to remote control 757 or 767, Cable controls of surfaces make remote flight impossible."

That's the key point. You are right if you consider the remote flight by using the planes original systems. Even if such remote fly is possible, special development with modification of the plane's systems is impossible.

That's why they added a specially modified tomahawk control system on board, with special servos to take the cables and simulate the movement of the pilots. Using such system, the plane systems are not modified at all, all systems remain as original, only the automatic servos replace the human pilots for guidance, and their ground interface is standard, identical to tomahawk ground interface.

Such system can remain secret; nobody can notice it. Excellent for that purpose.

 

[DGM]

That's why they added a specially modified tomahawk control system on board, with special servos to take the cables and simulate the movement of the pilots. Using such system, the plane systems are not modified at all, all systems remain as original, only the automatic servos replace the human pilots for guidance, and their ground interface is standard, identical to tomahawk ground interface.

Such system can remain secret; nobody can notice it. Excellent for that purpose.

How many people do you figure are "in on" the cover-up of your "theory". 1000, 10,000 or maybe more? I bet you haven't thought of this at all.

 

[Mashuna]

Mehmetin, perhaps you'd be more persuasive with your theory if you changed a couple of minor points. Maybe it's a language issue, I'm not sure. But if you just stopped using the words "proof" and "evidence", and replaced them with "random supposition" and "stuff I just made up without having thought it through", you'd find people more willing to listen. You'll still be obviously wrong, but less offensively so.

 

[A W Smith]

You should read my first post: "I wont answer to insults and ad-hominem attacks." I should add "I won't answer to provocations too!" That's why many posts are not answered.

But here you have also an argument: "Sorry you lose, No means to remote control 757 or 767, Cable controls of surfaces make remote flight impossible."

That's the key point. You are right if you consider the remote flight by using the planes original systems. Even if such remote fly is possible, special development with modification of the plane's systems is impossible.

That's why they added a specially modified tomahawk control system on board, with special servos to take the cables and simulate the movement of the pilots. Using such system, the plane systems are not modified at all, all systems remain as original, only the automatic servos replace the human pilots for guidance, and their ground interface is standard, identical to tomahawk ground interface.

Such system can remain secret; nobody can notice it. Excellent for that purpose.

sorry you lose again. tomahawk cruise missiles have far fewer control surfaces than a 757-767. Too much to control, too much slack. too many sloppy variables. Impossible. Your burden of proof is to show precedent. We already know you cannot and wont.

they tried on a 707, they missed, listen to the narration.

 

[Sunstealer]

That's why they added a specially modified tomahawk control system on board, with special servos to take the cables and simulate the movement of the pilots. Using such system, the plane systems are not modified at all, all systems remain as original, only the automatic servos replace the human pilots for guidance, and their ground interface is standard, identical to tomahawk ground interface.

Such system can remain secret; nobody can notice it. Excellent for that purpose.

Really?

So who installed this super secret system?

At what point in the aircraft's maintenance history did this take place?

How long did it take to perform?

How do you connect this tomahawk flight system to the individual wire looms and actuators, control system and power systems when the two are going to be different specifications?

How big is a tomahawk control system and where in an aircraft could it be fitted? How did "the Jews" get hold of one?

Were the aircraft tested with such systems in place? How and where?

What size of container is needed to hold the required amount of sleeping/nerve/knock out gas you are proposing?

How was this gas delivered and what systems were used? I presume you are saying it was pumped through the air circulation systems. If so how was this gas system installed?

How was the system activated? Was it on a timer? An altitude meter? Remote controlled?

How did maintenance mechanics and engineers for United Airlines or their maintenance subcontractors miss all this extra kit?

You do understand that there are strict protocols for for work carried out at overhaul and that these periods of overhaul/maintenance are carried out by trained personnel to FAA/CAA/UA and Boeing regulations, standards and procedures.

Each inspection/overhaul/change of or to the aircraft would have to be "signed off" not only by the individuals performing the tasks but also inspectors and other engineers.

Are you suggesting an overhaul company or UA overhaul are complicit in this act? If so which one?

I doubt you have answers to these questions. I suggest you do some serious research how aircraft are built and maintained.

 

[ElMondoHummus]

Why in God's name would a Tomahawk guidance system be required? Hey Beechnut, Reheat, and other pilots: If a jet was merely to fly a guided path, doesn't the autopilot that Boeing jets have already have the capacity to handle waypoints to a destination?

I raise that question to illustrate the absurdity of the OP's allegations. He's provided zero proof of such a guidance system actually being installed into a jet, and has glossed over the obvious difficulties of doing so, yet puts it forth as if it were solid reality instead of imaginary blank-filling. Even ignoring the fact that such a suggestion shreds itself to pieces upon meeting Occam's Razor, such a suggestion should, as far as I know, be far and above what is required to fake such an event. Which is why I ask the question of whether the standard autopilot is capable of flying such a path. My hypothesis is that if the suggestion that the paths were faked via preprogrammed, non-human guidance were to be considered seriously, then there would be no need for additional equipment. My hypothesis either succeeds or is falsified by whatever the pilots in this forum tell me about the capabilities of the standard autopilot already present in those jets at that time. If I'm wrong about this, Beechnut, Reheat, or one of you other guys with aviation experience will tell me. And that will settle that.

This of course ignores all the other supporting evidence for hijackings which are not falsified by the thesis (in-flight calls, for example, as well as CVR and FDR data from the flights that data was recovered from). But overall, I feel the need to point out that this allegation of Tomahawk guidance systems in Boeing jets isn't even a solid thesis. It's more akin to children playing the "imagine if" game ("If I were Superman, I could fly anywhere I wanted to go..."). Since the original poster here takes presumptions as his starting point to draw conclusions from, there's no way anyone can call this a solid thesis. It's nothing more than letting the imagination run free. And that's fine for fiction, but it flounders on the rocks when put to the test of reality.

Anyway... pilots, feel free to let me know if I'm right or wrong about the Boeing autopilot capabilities circa 2001. I'm looking upon this as a learning experience.

 

[Sabrina]

Not to mention, the tomahawk cruise missile guidance system doesn't do what he thinks it does.

Can't say any more about it though.

 

[beachnut]

I do not need to know which knob they turn! I am engineer! I know that such emergency code should be designed to be keed easily. That's enough.

You are wrong. As of now you have missed everything.

Try again, explain how to set the transponder.

Looking at the location of the transponder, it is possible the terrorists did not turn it off on purpose, or change it on purpose. The ham-fisted idiot terrorists most likely accidentally hit the panel, the panel you can't find because you are an engineer with delusions on 911.

The gas is dumb. Why? We have the CVR with the pilots screaming during the botched throat cutting on Flight 93. On Flt 93 and 77 we see the controls column and wheel inputs by ham-fisted idiots who killed the pilots. No one was gassed and there is no remote control on Flights 11, 175, 77, or 93. The gas is a dumb fantasy by you, along with remote control.

 

[ElMondoHummus]

This whole thing is a classic case of Mackey's Irreducible Delusion. It's been clear since page 1 that Mehmet hates Jews, believes that Jews are responsible for all evil acts, and believes that everyone who disagrees with him on that score does so because that person is Jewish. Since he believes Jews are responsible for all evil acts, he has constructed a post facto rationalisation by which he allows himself to believe they carried out the 9/11 attacks. At this point, having identified the Irreducible Delusion, we should adjust our aims accordingly; the only action needed now is to publicise the fact that he is a racist bigot, and that this prejudice is the only reason why he believes 9/11 was carried out by Jews. As is usually the case with his idealogical cousins the neo-Nazis and Holocaust deniers, there is very little point engaging with him.

Dave

As long as we're invoking Ryan Mackey's observations - from 3 and 4 years ago, no less - it's also worth pointing out that this thesis is showing signs of running true to the Inflationary Model. His invocation of poisoned gas, for example, is definitely trending in that direction.

But admittedly, that's like pointing out a specific fleck of dirt on a mud-racing truck. The number of fallacious insults to logic being committed here go well beyond the two you and I have identified. He predominantly works from Proof Via Assertion and commits all other faults from that point. And that list of illogical operations is large.

Well... poisoned gas is as silly as it is stupid, and as unproven as both put together, but we can take solace in the fact that at least he's not advocating mini-nukes or space beams. Yeah, folks, it's sorta scary to think that a person can actually be more deluded than this, but if you think about it, it's unfortunately true.

 

[dafydd]

Yes, that's what they would do. But there was no terrorists on board. There was automatic control system able to fly the planes to their targets and at first they send sarin kind military gas into the cockpit and into the plane, killing everybody on board.

Yea right.

 

[Thunder]

Originally Posted by mehmetin
Yes, that's what they would do. But there was no terrorists on board. There was automatic control system able to fly the planes to their targets and at first they send sarin kind military gas into the cockpit and into the plane, killing everybody on board.

yeah? prove it.

folks, I think what we have here is the quintessential 9-11 Truther: zero evidence, lots of pure speculation, and hatred of Jews. what more is there to say?

 

[I Ratant]

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Anyway... pilots, feel free to let me know if I'm right or wrong about the Boeing autopilot capabilities circa 2001. I'm looking upon this as a learning experience.

.
ISTR we flew a Tristar from Palmdale to Dulles in VA, hands off from when the pilot punched the start button with the plane on the ground at Palmdale in 1977 or so.
Any 3D area-nav equipped plane can do this.

Edited by kmortis: 

Removed personal remark

 

[WildCat]

You seem obsessed with this idea. What do you think happens (in 2001) when a pilot does this?

Why, the automatic flight control system takes control of the plane and lands it at the nearest airport.

Or flies the plane into a skyscraper, depending on how it's programmed.

 

[alienentity]

Some calls were made by their cellular phones, the wife recognised the phone number of her husband, they did not use airphone. So, this phone call was computer made.

No, that is incorrect. Not all the planes were traveling at 10km altitude, so it was in fact possible for cell phones to work.

You specifically said no phone calls could be made at 10km altitude. That is incorrect - they can be made using airphones. Below 10km, cellphones will sometimes work.

You have zero (0) evidence of faked calls. You are simply falling for the usual 9/11 myths which someone else has created for you.

The evidence is clear that phonecalls were made, most by airphone, and they described (as in the provided quotes) hijackers killing the pilots. If you were an honest person, you would accept simple evidence like this. But I don't think you are an honest person, so I expect you to dance around and move the goalposts.

In practice, all phone calls had to be made by voice changing software. If one phone call is fake and computer made, all phone calls should be computer made. That's also consistent with all crew and passengers gassed. In other words, phone calls are NOT evidence.

You write complete nonsense. Of course the phone calls are evidence. But of course you cannot accept simple evidence, so you are pretending that they aren't.

That's not impressive, it's not very honest, and frankly you don't represent Muslim intellectuals well at all. I'm sure there are many Muslim scientists who would laugh at your silly ideas, and would probably agree with me that you are not an honest person when it comes to this subject.

Your family should be ashamed of your behavior.