Warring No planer factions- Shansksville and Pentagon no-planers vs WTC no planers

[Justin39640]

He probably only wants to protect himself. If he admitted that he saw a fireball explosion without any plane flying into the tower, people with think of him as crazy or at least as being a kook or a liar. So he dares not admit that there was no plane. That's my guess.

You do understand and can grasp the concept of "Manhattan"? Can you? You do understand that north and east of the WTC is a virtual sea of sky scrapers. Hundreds of buildings all with at least one face facing towards the ALREADY BURNING north tower. Those windows facing the carnage were filled with people watching when the second plane hit. This was repeated in Brooklyn, Queens, NJ from Elizabeth to the GWB. The Bronx, and Staten Island. Aside from the buildings, all the people in the street watching. All these places had a great view and EVERYONE was watching.

I would guess that the amount of people already watching the north tower burning when the second plane hit to be over one million eye witnesses.

My friend, who you dismiss with a hand wave, was on an observation deck with what he estimated to be about 200 other people. When the plane hit all the women screamed and pretty much everyone panicked. He then walked to Queens.

He actually said "go **** yourself" but I was being nice.

 

[Justin39640]

What stupidity to use expensive office space in a skyscraper in Manhattan for a huge amounts of computer servers and a whole floor filled with UPS batteries. Imagine Google building their computer centers like that. LMAO.

It wasn't called the World "Trade" Center for nothing you know....
By your logic (lol) cities are obsolete and all businesses should vacate ASAP to save money.

Wow

 

[beachnut]

What stupidity to use expensive office space in a skyscraper in Manhattan for a huge amounts of computer servers and a whole floor filled with UPS batteries. Imagine Google building their computer centers like that. LMAO.

You have no clue how to run a computer system.

Some data centers took up over 450,000 square feet, that is 10 acres, over 10 floors of the WTC. You did zero research, and have failed as you did with the no-plane lie.


People saw the aircraft hit the WTC, their eyes are backed up by RADAR and evidence, Video tape and a movie for the first impact. You lost this one, better luck with Bigfoot and Flat-earth claptrap. Good luck

When I saw/heard of the second impact everyone who was up to-date on terrorism and current events since 1980, may of suspected UBL. Gee, many suspected Islamic terrorists in OKC until they ran the serial number of the truck and did not find a suicide dolt blown up in the truck. I suspected UBL on the second impact, I thought the spoiled brat had bought his own jets and filled them with explosives - but he was too cheap and used kinetic energy and stole the jets instead. Albeit, 10,000 gallons of jet fuel is equal in heat energy to 315 TONS of TNT, going to check my numbers, or just keep claiming your delusions are real? It could have been a Tim McVeigh on 911, but homegrown terrorist usually hit and run, they don't hit and die; must be an American thing. Being a terrorist is not unique to Islam, Tim McVeigh is an example. On 911 evidence was used to figure out who did it, what do you use?

911 truthers with the no-plane claim are liars who have no consistent narrative, no evidence, not much of anything but talk.

 

[Anders Lindman]

All these places had a great view and EVERYONE was watching.

And nobody actually saw a plane first-hand, I think. Anyway I have dropped the question about witnesses at the moment and am focusing on the jet engine/part found near Ground Zero. I recently sent an e-mail to the FBI asking them about that.

 

[dc1971]

EVERY SINGLE Truther I have encountered was a 'No planer'. Most of them doubt a plane crashed in Shanksville, and scores of them doubt a plane hit the Pentagon. Some of them (but I suspect a small percentage) think no planes hit the WTC. This is the odd thing- I've heard Truthers denounce WTC no planers as being idiots on a disinformation campaign, yet turn around and claim no plane crashed in Shanksville. How is a Shanksville No Planer any less crazy than a WTC no-planer? Alex Jones has denounced WTC no planers- Yet I think he is a 'No planer' when it comes to the Shanksville crash site. It find it comical that the 'No planers' are arguing amongst themslves-insisting their no plane delusion is sound, but the other no planers must be crazy.

And most Truthers either ARE or can be compared to holocaust deniers!

 

[dc1971]

There is no video of jets crashing near Shanksville and into the Pentagon, while there's tons of it for jets crashing into the wtc's.

And just because there's no video that means, in your mind, that no jets even existed? In other words it has to be on television in order for it to exist? However, people like Ace Baker will say even though we all saw jets crashing on television we didn't REALLY see it...

...my head is spinning now, I think I will go take a percocet and go to sleep!

 

[dc1971]

And nobody actually saw a plane first-hand, I think. Anyway I have dropped the question about witnesses at the moment and am focusing on the jet engine/part found near Ground Zero. I recently sent an e-mail to the FBI asking them about that.

So...

...ummmm...

...Good?

 

[Anders Lindman]

IF no planes were used in the 9/11 attack, as I strongly suspect, then the U.S. government could reveal that to the public at some date in the near future, to create a really huge psychological shock effect. Barack Obama could use that kind of disclosure for some very powerful propaganda and political purpose.

 

[dc1971]

they were destroyed in crashes. wreckage was recovered. What were you expecting?

Come on! Everyone knows that when a plane crashes it stays in tact without a scratch!

 

[Anders Lindman]

So...

...ummmm...

...Good?

I'm curious about what reply I will receive from the FBI. Often agencies and organizations like that do answer questions from the public.

 

[dc1971]

IF no planes were used in the 9/11 attack, as I strongly suspect, then the U.S. government could reveal that to the public at some date in the near future, to create a really huge psychological shock effect. Barack Obama could use that kind of disclosure for some very powerful propaganda and political purpose.

Hmmmm? You might have a point there!

 

[dc1971]

I'm curious about what reply I will receive from the FBI. Often agencies and organizations like that do answer questions from the public.

Yes they do.

 

[beachnut]

IF no planes were used in the 9/11 attack, as I strongly suspect, then the U.S. government could reveal that to the public at some date in the near future, to create a really huge psychological shock effect. Barack Obama could use that kind of disclosure for some very powerful propaganda and political purpose.

Delusions based on your delusions.

BTW, one floor of the WTC would be a tiny data center.

 

[Anders Lindman]

Delusions based on your delusions.

BTW, one floor of the WTC would be a tiny data center.

And data centers are often built in more protected places. For example, the data center here in Sweden where some of WikiLeaks' servers are is located deep inside a mountain, underground I think.

Delusions? We'll see. I can imagine Barack Obama soon saying: "It has come to my attention that no planes were involved in the attack on September 11, 2001."

 

[TJM]

Mr. Poe, your thread is ready.

 

[Travis]

What stupidity to use expensive office space in a skyscraper in Manhattan for a huge amount of computer servers and a whole floor filled with UPS batteries. Imagine Google building their computer centers like that. LMAO.

I will use your opinion that this is "stupidity" as evidence that it is, in fact, really intelligent.

 

[Anders Lindman]

I will use your opinion that this is "stupidity" as evidence that it is, in fact, really intelligent.

Maybe. I don't much about UPS backup. It just seems to me overkill for a bank office to fill an entire floor with UPS batteries. In the article they talk about 'battery-looking things'. Could maybe have been Thermite boxes (solid, heavy).

It was from the same 81st floor where molten metal can be seen pouring out of the building: http://9eleven.info/moltenstreamthermate.jpg

EDIT: Oops! Off topic again. I will focus on the (no) planes in this thread, but take a look at the above picture. That could actually be a result of Thermite used on that floor.

 

[A W Smith]

Ok, with an airport close to the buildings there would of course be planes flying low. I still maintain my position that all witnesses of real planes in the 9/11 attack are false.

Important distinction though: I believe most of the false witnesses are NOT part of the initial conspiracy and instead a part of the massive cover-up that took place after the initial attack and that has continued to this day.

Then you will need to prove that the witnesses are false or lying or part of a cover up. You brought it up. You prove it.

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=6875830&postcount=275

 

[A W Smith]

Maybe. I don't much about UPS backup. It just seems to me overkill for a bank office to fill an entire floor with UPS batteries. In the article they talk about 'battery-looking things'. Could maybe have been Thermite boxes (solid, heavy).

It was from the same 81st floor where molten metal can be seen pouring out of the building: http://9eleven.info/moltenstreamthermate.jpg

An entire floor of thermite would result in an entire floor of this, No acre sized reaction. No thermite.

 

[Anders Lindman]

Then you will need to prove that the witnesses are false or lying or part of a cover up. You brought it up. You prove it.

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=6875830&postcount=275

I will focus on the jet engine found near Ground Zero first. If I can get hold of an official statement that confirms that the jet engine actually is the kind used on a Boeing 767 then I will accept that. On the other hand if it turns out that the jet engine is of the wrong type, then that would strengthen my theory tremendously. And then it would be worthwhile perhaps to start dissecting the eyewitness testimonies.