Mubarak has resigned!!!!!!!

The EU does all that. The only thing the US does but the EU doesn't, is bomb or invade countries.
The EU is an economic alliance, it's not a country.

Plenty of EU countries have bombed and invaded other countries the world over, including Egypt. Several times.

But hey, Europe has been genocide-free for over 10 years now (and it wasn't the EU that stopped that little incident, the US had to drag NATO kicking and screaming into that conflict), time to get up on that moral high horse!
 
Still trying to falsely pretend Saddam's brutish regime and mass-murdering army and security forces could have been overthrown by unarmed protesters, I see.
I see you have learned nothing from history. Autocratic regimes, even the most brutal ones, eventually always succumb.

And under Saddam most Shia happily coexisted with the Sunni. Saddam's Iraq was fairly secular, he even had a Christian foreign secretary.

Mubarak was overthrown, not by people in the streets, but by a U.S. -groomed military that responded to the people in the streets, instead of Mubarak.
Pfff. Are you seriously claiming credit for the US here because the army chose the side of the people?

The soldiers in the army had their family protesting in the streets. If the generals had sided with Mubarak they would risk rebellion in the armed forces. Much safer to side with the protestors.
 
And you know this, how? You just assmed? I see.

Sometimes it helps to base such conclusions on the historical evidence:

An incomplete list of revolutions and rebellions throughout history

Why not base such conclusions on the historical evidence inside Iraq? Wouldn't that make more sense?

You must have missed the parts where Saddam's thugs brutally crushed multiple rebellion attempts.

Remember the no-fly zones? I guess you never did know what those were for (hint: genocide suppression zones would have been more apt terminology). I was sure I had mentioned something about The brutal crushing of attempted Shia and Kurd rebellions.

There were others, of course, that never got that far, due to the Ba'athists' advanced tongue extraction techniques.
 
I see you have learned nothing from history. Autocratic regimes, even the most brutal ones, eventually always succumb.

I see you have learned little from history or biology. The bubonic plague also eventually, slowly, excruciatingly, ran it's course. But then, those victims never had a choice except to wait it out. They didn't know to kill the rats.

But we don't have that excuse.

And under Saddam most Shia happily coexisted with the Sunni. Saddam's Iraq was fairly secular, he even had a Christian foreign secretary.

Right. One nation, under Saddam, with tongue extractors, and acid baths, and rape rooms, and unprovoked invasions, and, eventually, nukes, if left unchecked.

Pfff. Are you seriously claiming credit for the US here because the army chose the side of the people?

Damn right I am. You don't like it?

Just think of it as a more credible counter to the leftists' determined attempts to blame the U.S. for the existence of Mubarak.

The Egyptian military has had close ties with the Pentagon for decades. On a personal level. The level at which values are discussed and exchanged.

The soldiers in the army had their family protesting in the streets. If the generals had sided with Mubarak they would risk rebellion in the armed forces. Much safer to side with the protestors.

Izzatafact.

Too bad Saddam's thugs never figured that out. But they never really risked rebellion in the armed forces, did they. No more than Stalin ever risked rebellion in the armed forces.
 
The EU is an economic alliance, it's not a country.
And therein lies the key, the rest of your post is irrelevant.

The fact that the EU is a voluntary alliance based on moral and economic principles instead of a country is why it has the moral highground compared to the US. Or compared to individual European countries, for that matter.

Of course the downside is the EU is often indecisive and slow to react, but in this case that's not an issue.

Btw, if you talk about Europeans from an historical perspective that includes Americans as well - most modern Americans descend from 18th and 19th century Europeans just like modern Europeans do.
 
The EU is an economic alliance, it's not a country.

Plenty of EU countries have bombed and invaded other countries the world over, including Egypt. Several times.

But hey, Europe has been genocide-free for over 10 years now (and it wasn't the EU that stopped that little incident, the US had to drag NATO kicking and screaming into that conflict), time to get up on that moral high horse!

Wow. 10 whole years. I hadn't realized how quickly they're improving. And Sarajevo is just a fading memory now. And it was several decades before that when France was genociding Algeria.

But I suppose that's precisely why Europeans like egslim are so preachy. They feel they've learned so much from their own serial comedies of errors, whereas we have learned nothing from having been dragged into two of their world wars, and a couple of odd genocide preventions.
 
Wow. 10 whole years. I hadn't realized how quickly they're improving. And Sarajevo is just a fading memory now. And it was several decades before that when France was genociding Algeria.

But I suppose that's precisely why Europeans like egslim are so preachy. They feel they've learned so much from their own serial comedies of errors, whereas we have learned nothing from having been dragged into two of their world wars, and a couple of odd genocide preventions.

We've all got our embarrassing pasts. Heard of pinochet? Nobody really has the moral highground based on history.
 
Actually, there is NO Evidence showing that the United States instigated the 1973 coup. helped contribute to the circumstances bringing it about? yes. But it was one of many factors that led to Allende's overthrow.
 
And therein lies the key, the rest of your post is irrelevant.

The fact that the EU is a voluntary alliance based on moral and economic principles instead of a country is why it has the moral highground compared to the US. Or compared to individual European countries, for that matter.

Of course the downside is the EU is often indecisive and slow to react, but in this case that's not an issue.
Nope, still a piss-poor analogy. You may as well compare the EU to the Organization of American States. It hasn't bombed or invaded anyone ever!

Btw, if you talk about Europeans from an historical perspective that includes Americans as well - most modern Americans descend from 18th and 19th century Europeans just like modern Europeans do.
So? They got the hell out, only to be drawn into European tribal spats that went global twice in the 20th century. The US wouldn't even be in the position it is now if Europeans could manage to go more than a few decades without slaughtering each other over some stupid tribal dispute.

Modern Europe has no standing to lecture the US on how it has dealt with the messes created by said European asshattery. You'd think they'd be just a little embarrassed by now over the devastation the European colonial powers left wherever they set foot, but nope now they want to sit on the sidelines and jeer at the US for the crime of getting stuck with their mess.
 
Seriously, does it really matter whether they go to a U.S. or U.K. model?

Any form of fairly enlightened, uncorrupt democracy will be a resounding win!


That rules out the reality of both US and UK democracy, however, where politicians dance to the tune of big money rather than to the tune of the people.
 
Actually, there is NO Evidence showing that the United States instigated the 1973 coup. helped contribute to the circumstances bringing it about? yes. But it was one of many factors that led to Allende's overthrow.

They helped train the forces of the dictator who overthrew an elected president and proceeded to torture and kill thousands of civilians to enforce his rule. And an american university trained a team of economists to try out free market experiments which decimated the livelihood of the country's poorest. Not exactly a shining example of american foreign policy.
 
And an american university trained a team of economists to try out free market experiments which decimated the livelihood of the country's poorest. Not exactly a shining example of american foreign policy.
And this is my litmus test for identifying a ideologically-driven moonbat. The old "Milton Friedman as the devil that destroyed Chile" schtick, so completely divorced from reality it borders on mental illness.
 
Why not base such conclusions on the historical evidence inside Iraq? Wouldn't that make more sense?

Yes, let's cherry pick. It always help get an objective view.

Still trying to falsely pretend Saddam's brutish regime and mass-murdering army and security forces could have been overthrown by unarmed protesters, I see.

They weren't unarmed, actually:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1991_uprisings_in_Iraq

And those uprisings weren't exactly America's greatest hour.
 
Sounds like the military may now be in control.

yeah but that is basically how the transition from Sadat happened isnt it? Military kept the peace until the new government was formed.
 
The fact that the EU is a voluntary alliance based on moral and economic principles instead of a country is why it has the moral highground compared to the US.

wait...so because EU countries have the right to secede (do they?), and American states do not, that means the EU has the moral highground over the USA?

pockycock.
 
And this is my litmus test for identifying a ideologically-driven moonbat. The old "Milton Friedman as the devil that destroyed Chile" schtick, so completely divorced from reality it borders on mental illness.
Interestingly enough, after Saddam was toppled, there was another attempt to make Friedman's crap work, again, at the point of a bayonet.

I wonder how long it will be before someone comes up with the bright idea that Western powers need to rescue Egypt with loans with the same stupid strings attached to them, like privatizing infrastructure and letting foreign companies own the national resources.
 

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