Merged Another moronic Appeal to Popularity/Poll in Germany: 89.5 doubt official version.

Kevin.Silbstedt said:
Well this poll was made by Emnid for "Welt der Wunder", a magazine and a tv show, which was quite popular in germany, but became crappier each year (just like its rival show "Galileo"). The poll was obviously made, so they could present something shocking. That's not untypical for RTL Media. The channels of this company are practically our FOX. VOX, one of those channels, presents us "911 Mysteries" on september 11 every year since, I think, 2008, and RTl even managed it to show a different version of "The global warming swindle". So that practically tells you everything about this company.
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This is true, but EMNID is one of Germany's largest and most respected polling institutes. They do professional work if someone pays them.
 
twinstead said:
Frankly, who really cares what
Hans the book keeper or Gerta the waitress thinks?
I wonder what percentage of Germany's structural engineers and physicists think the collapses were impossible.
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How about the opinion of
Andreas the former German cabinet minister ?
You care what he thinks ?

Excerpted from the Tagesspiegel interview Jan 13 2002
http://www.911review.com/articles/vonbuelow/tagesspiegel.html

Tagesspiegel Q:
You are a conspiracy theorist!

Von Buelow: A:
Yeah, yeah. That's the ridicule heaped [on those raising these questions]
by those who would prefer to follow the official, politically correct line. Even investigative journalists are fed propaganda and disinformation. Anyone who doubts that, doesn't have all his marbles!
That is your accusation.

Q:
Your career actually speaks against the idea that you
are not in your right mind.
You were already in the 1970s, state secretary in the Defense Ministry; in 1993 you were the SPD [Social Democratic Party] speaker in the Schalk-Golodkowski investigation committee--
 
Childlike Empress said:
This is true, but EMNID is one of Germany's largest and most respected polling institutes. They do professional work if someone pays them.
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Yep, but I don't think, that they made the questions.

Fonebone said:
How about the opinion of
Andreas the former German cabinet minister ?
You care what he thinks ?
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Nope, and since you were committing the appeal to authority fallacy, I'll try another one:
He's a complete moron.
 
grandmastershek said:
Yup most Germans think it was an inside job...but not really.

http://www.infowars.com/nearly-90-percent-of-germans-do-not-believe-official-911-fairy-tale/

Here is my rough translation (probably inaccurate in some way) of the question:

"September 11 changed the world, the US invaded Iraq & Afghanistan, and rights are being greatly infringed. Do you think the US Govt is telling the whole truth to the world about the attack?"

At most this means most Germans believe some part of the govt was not honest.
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No, not 'some part of the govt' but THE US-govt. That means that 90% of the German population does not accept the story of the 19 Arabs-with-box-cutters hijacked planes and carried out a terrorrist attack without prior knowledge of the US-govt.

That is what it means. It means that 90% of the German population thinks that the US-govt has something significant to hide.

And then there are still people here who want to make us believe that trooferism is dead. Snore on.
 
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9/11-investigator said:
According to Silbersteds, in a futile attempt to explain his way out of this mess he launches a smear.

So this is how a 'moron' looks like:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74XdUqHlhT4

Thanks for keeping us up-to-date!
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You're not really the brightest light on earth aren't you?
I wanted to show, that just because a person has autority or is just a total moron, not every claim this person makes has to be true or false. This is what we call a fallacy (appeal to authority and ad hominem). The whole meantioning of Bülow as an argument for 911 Truth is just plain stupid.

So with my ad hominem attack on Bülow, I wasn't quite serious. Did you get that or do I have to draw a picture for you? :rolleyes:
 
carlitos said:
Thanks. I'm not really good at figuring out which nouns are doing what to whom in German just yet.
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That's always been my downfall in German.

A person who has not studied German can form no idea of what a perplexing language it is.

Surely there is not another language that is so slipshod and systemless, and so slippery and elusive to the grasp. One is washed about in it, hither and thither, in the most helpless way; and when at last he thinks he has captured a rule which offers firm ground to take a rest on amid the general rage and turmoil of the ten parts of speech, he turns over the page and reads, "Let the pupil make careful note of the following exceptions."
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--Mark Twain
 
Back on topic. Apart from the extremely leading nature of the question, we already know that some elements of the government didn't tell the whole truth about the attacks. Why didn't they? Because it's human nature to want to cover one's posterior, by not disclosing information that could lead to people's being accused, rightly or wrongly, of negligence or incompetence. 9/11, however, wishes to insinuate that this is somehow evidence for a widespread lack of belief in the generally accepted version of events.
 
Childlike Empress said:
This is true, but EMNID is one of Germany's largest and most respected polling institutes. They do professional work if someone pays them.
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Yes, and they do it in ways that pleases those who pay them. If Welt der Wunder wanted EMNID to conflate the issues (Iraq+9/11...), that's what they would do.
 
9/11-investigator said:
No, not 'some part of the govt' but THE US-govt. That means that 90% of the German population does not accept the story of the 19 Arabs-with-box-cutters hijacked planes and carried out a terrorrist attack without prior knowledge of the US-govt.
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False interpretation of the poll.
The question was: Do you believe the US gov. told the whole truth about 9/11 - andf the question was conflated with 2 unpopular wars that the US gov. later started with a little help of abusing the terror events.
Do I believe the government told the "whole" truth? Of course not! Do I believe 19 members of Al Qaeda caught US services and defenses by surprised when they hijacked 4 planes and destroyed the WTC and part of the Pentagon? Absolutely yes!

So you might even find me among those 90% - that doesn't make a single one of the responders a truther.


9/11-investigator said:
That is what it means. It means that 90% of the German population thinks that the US-govt has something significant to hide.
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This may certainly be true and is evidenced by the fact that some infos are secret. It does not mean that the US government has perps in its ranks.

9/11-investigator said:
And then there are still people here who want to make us believe that trooferism is dead. Snore on.
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Skepticism about government =/= twooferism.
 
I want to sign what Kevin already said about the spomsor of that poll: "Welt der Wunder" (WdW) is a pop-sci magazine running on a tabloid TV channel, with an accompanying print mag of the same name. It is "infotainment". They are not about science and not about education.

WdW frequently covers "controversial" topics, and usually give most or all attention to the most sensationalist theories on the extreme fringes. The more shocking, the more likely WdW will present an idea as mainstream. They rarely dismiss woo as such and are open to all kinds of psychic nonsense.
 
Heh. This is a copy of an article on Inforwars.com, whose source is a German 9/11 Truther site that requires registration.

ETA: I don't read German, but the Infowars article has a graph with what I assume to be the poll question on it. If someone could translate that, we could probably see how ambiguous it is. If someone could link to the poll and translate the choice bits, that would be even better. I'm sure the poll was commissioned by a German Truther group.
 
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Newsflash: The preponderance of evidence still supports the "official story". Film at 11.




ETA: Is "Francisco Franco is still dead" too much of an obscure culture reference? 'Cause I really wanted to use it here.
 
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Well, I don't buy the US 'official story' either. So what is your point and what exactly does that prove?
 
Well that changes my mind. When have 90% of Germans ever been wrong?

Why didn't they just ask them to begin with? Maybe we could poll the Germans about evolution and get the straightened out once and for all.
 
Spindrift said:
Well that changes my mind. When have 90% of Germans ever been wrong?
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Oh no he di'int! ;)

Why didn't they just ask them to begin with? Maybe we could poll the Germans about evolution and get the straightened out once and for all.
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I don't know about that, but I could seriously use some help finding my car keys this morning. Bremen? Hamburg? Munich? You folks got anything? Meine Autoschlüssel fehlen.
 
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