The 100% Impossible 9/11 Inside Job

[LightningTeg]

Yeah, I forgot...
...the cars full of evidence
...the delayed baggage of Atta full of changing things
...the strange video messages and wrong translations
...the waterboarded KSM and the vein confirmed by the CIA
...the confession videos found in the desert after an airstrike
...a passports wthat flew out of the exploding airplane
...another passport that was found 3 years later in Attas baggage
...the money trail (Oops, no one should ask about that!)
and so on and so on and so on

You should keep your "facts" to one thread at a time.

 

[twinstead]

I prefer to use relatively obscure when talking about JREF.

 

[aggle-rithm]

Abel Danger? John O'Neill? Sebil Edmonds? Michael Springman? Mineta? Amanda Keller? ISI? ..................................

Tribbles? Dinosaurs? Soap? Carpal Tunnel Syndrome?................................

 

[twinstead]

That is indeed the trouble with tribbles

 

[aggle-rithm]

Did some Arabs do it with a con-man in Hamburg who managed the whole thing between the evil ones in the desert and the doing-cocaine ones in Florida? The answer can only be no. For some of this, much less all of it, to take place successfully is not possible. Not even a little. And there’s a word for when something is not possible.

Impossible.

You think that's impossible, try pulling this off.

1. Send demolition crews into a 47-story building without anyone noticing.
2. Oh, and the building is on fire.
3. Have the crew wire the building, which is far bigger than any building ever imploded before, for implosion. You have a couple of hours, even though it usually takes a few days. Perhaps the fire can serve as a motivator.
4. Use materials that vanish completely after use, so that no evidence is found.
5. Find a way to reduce the shock wave of the detonation by at least 90%, without reducing its destructive force.
6. Oh, and did I mention the power is out?
7. Get in and out of the building without any of the firefighters, who are watching the building closely, noticing.
8. Make sure that none of the people involved in this plot EVER says ANYTHING to ANYONE.

...and finally...

9. Make sure no one asks why it is necessary to implement such a hideously complex, overblown plot to destroy a building no one has heard of.

 

[aggle-rithm]

Ooh, I left a few out.

Kill everyone on the demolition crew so they won't talk.

Kill everyone on demolition crew-killing duty so they won't talk.

Kill everyone who killed the killers of the demolition crew so they won't talk.

Repeat until nobody talks.

 

[achimspok]

Ooh, I left a few out.

Kill everyone on the demolition crew so they won't talk.

Kill everyone on demolition crew-killing duty so they won't talk.

Kill everyone who killed the killers of the demolition crew so they won't talk.

Repeat until nobody talks.

You are obviously of limited imagination.

Let me think for a moment.
Let's say, I'm alone. I have a flash light. I walk into the 1st floor, use the OEM tank as vapor bomb and I am done alone with a flashlight in about 20 minutes. I guess there are a hundret different ways to do the same. No firefighter will ask questions because I'm ConEd. No ConEd will ask questions because I'm engineer observing the building.
If you wanna do it, you will find a way. Maybe it's enough to set the freakin' SEC on fire. Hey, the firefighters had no water, right? It depends on what you really wanna do.

 

[achimspok]

Oh I love bullet points.

Me too. You can provide a lot information without wasting space and time.

You just spread those out like jelly on toast not even caring if they are true, exaggerations, or irrelevant.

...true, exaggerations, or irrelevant? Which bullet point is what?

After even the most cursory of examinations NONE of the items on this list stands out as evidence of anything suspicious at all. What you are actually spreading is doo doo on the wall just to see if anything sticks.

ETA: Luckily for you this isn't a court of law, because you'd then be forced to discuss each of the bullet points on your list, one at a time, and support any accusations you have. Here, all you need to do is toss your doo doo. Unless of course you want to start threads on each one.

Should we discuss each bullet point on my list, one at a time?

bullet point "...the waterboarded KSM and the vein confirmed by the CIA"

CIA Memorandum May 30, 2005
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An FBI agent assigned to the Pearl case, Michael Dick, edited the frames of the murder video in 2004 to show the hand of the killer, who wore a mask. The frames showed what Nomani’s report calls a “bulging vein” running across the hand. And that could be enough of a clue. While “not as reliable” as biometric data like fingerprints or iris scans — and “not widely tested,” the report notes — vascular technology is basically a process of vein-matching. “By extracting the information of the vascular structure of a hand or finger and converting it into a mathematical quantity,” according to Nomani’s report, “this technology creates a template for each structure and then compares the template of a known individual to a suspect.” After sending the data to KSM’s CIA captors, Dick heard back: “The photo you sent me and the hand of our friend inside the cage seem identical to me.”
http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2011/01/qaeda-killers-veins-implicate-him-in-journos-murder/

bullet point ...the money trail (Oops, no one should ask about that!)

discovered by Indian intelligence
http://img694.imageshack.us/img694/9122/isiattalink.png

http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/2154/attamoneytrail.png

NewsHour with Jim Lehrer, PBS, 11 December 2002

GWEN IFILL: Senator Graham, are there elements in this report, which are classified that Americans should know about but can't?

SEN. BOB GRAHAM: Yes, going back to your question about what was the greatest surprise. I agree with what Senator Shelby said the degree to which agencies were not communicating was certainly a surprise but also I was surprised at the evidence that there were foreign governments involved in facilitating the activities of at least some of the terrorists in the United States. I am stunned that we have not done a better job of pursuing that to determine if other terrorists received similar support and, even more important, if the infrastructure of a foreign government assisting terrorists still exists for the current generation of terrorists who are here planning the next plots. To me that is an extremely significant issue and most of that information is classified, I think overly-classified. I believe the American people should know the extent of the challenge that we face in terms of foreign government involvement. That would motivate the government to take action.

GWEN IFILL: Are you suggesting that you are convinced that there was a state sponsor behind 9/11?

SEN. BOB GRAHAM: I think there is very compelling evidence that at least some of the terrorists were assisted not just in financing -- although that was part of it -- by a sovereign foreign government and that we have been derelict in our duty to track that down, make the further case, or find the evidence that would indicate that that is not true and we can look for other reasons why the terrorists were able to function so effectively in the United States.

Asia Times, Apr 8, 2004
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In the end this is common knowledge but...

9/11 Commission

"To date, the U.S. government has not been able to determine the origin of the money used for the 9/11 attacks. Ultimately the question is of little practical significance." (p. 172)

bullet point "a passport that flew out of the exploding airplane"

CNN, Sep 18, 2001 Tuesday
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Later the story changed. Why?
Let's say Satam was in the cockpit and the passport - driven by some debris part - managed to escape through the windows and hallways without any significant contact to the tower. That way the passport might have survived in the bulls eye of a plane crash without any scatch and escaped the fireball too. The bigger problem was the reported wrong direction. There is simply not the slightest chance for the passport to leave the crushing airplane and to bounce back to land somewhere near Vesey street.

9/11 Commission Report:
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Later analysis showed that it contained what are now believed to be fraudulent travel stamps associated with al Qaeda. In addition, the forensic document analysis of Satam al Suqami’s passport indicates that on page 8, “An Arabic stamp impression located near the top of page 8 has been partially covered with correction fluid,” as stated in an INS letter from John Ross, INS Supervisory Forensic Document Examiner, to Lorie Gottesman, FBI Document Examiner, on November 2, 2001.
http://www.cis.org/9-11-Suqami

Now we have an unknown source of the passport. Some passerby in a business suit gave it to Chin and never came forward with his extraordinary story despite the fact that his found resulted in a lot discussion in the media and internet.

Just like all the other hijackers Satam tried to be noticed but his visa application raised no question even if Satam came from out of nowhere.
http://img833.imageshack.us/img833/5898/satampassvisa.png

So what is the purpose of "An Arabic stamp impression located near the top of page 8" that "has been partially covered with correction fluid"?
That correction is that obvious that it hardly do the job of a fraud. The white opaque fluid catches in the eye while the letters still can be read.
On page 8? In a passport full of stamps?
The only purpose is to be obvious as "manipulation" even if the purpose of the manipulation remains unknown.
The FBI "associate" those manipulations to Al Qaeda. Hence, Al Qaeda must be a bunch of guys who want to be noticed (...or someone in a buisness suit wants Al Qaeda to be noticed.)

There is strong evidence that the passport Suqami submitted with this application had fraudulent travel stamps now associated with al Qaeda. These stamps remain classified, and are not contained here.
... Suqami’s Saudi Arabian passport with numerous travel stamps, some of which were determined to be fraudulent. They include multiple travel to Instanbul, Malaysia, Oman, and Egypt. There are no travel stamps from Pakistan, Afghanistan, or Iran, all three locations likely destinations.

So the absence of expected stamps is part of the alleged fraud?

Let's read a little more: Satam geve a **** on religion and drank alcohol.

Edited by Locknar: 

Edited, breach of rule 10; please do not curse in your posts or otherwise mask such words in an attempt to by-pass the auto-censor.

In 1998 he disappeared because...

On August 11, 1998, 9/11 hijacker Satam Al Suqami is issued a Saudi Arabian passport. [Federal Bureau of Investigation, 10/2001, pp. 29 pdf file]
This passport will allegedly be discovered in the wreckage of the 9/11 attacks in New York (see After 8:46 a.m. September 11, 2001), allowing investigators an unusually detailed glimpse into the movements of one of the hijackers. While a majority of the hijackers seem to have traveled little prior to coming to the US, Al Suqami travels widely:
*November 5, 1998: He enters and departs Jordan, enters Syria.
*November 11, 1998: departs Syria; enters and departs Jordan.
*November 12, 1998: enters Saudi Arabia.
*February 24, 1999: enters and departs Jordan; enters Syria.
*February 25, 1999: departs Saudi Arabia.
*March 7, 1999: departs Syria.
*March 8, 1999: enters Jordan.
*May 13, 1999: departs Bahrain.
*May 15, 1999: enters Saudi Arabia.
*January 18, 2000: enters United Arab Emirates (UAE).
*April 4, 2000: enters UAE.
*April 6, 2000: departs UAE.
*April 7, 2000: enters Egypt.
*April 18, 2000: departs Oman, enters UAE.
*July 11, 2000: departs Egypt.
*July 12, 2000: enters Malaysia.
[Federal Bureau of Investigation, 10/2001, pp. 33, 37-39, 42, 59-62, 75 pdf file]
On September 24, 2000, Al Suqami enters Turkey and stays there for most of the next six months (see September 24, 2000-April 1, 2001).
Then he will travel to Malaysia again before finally flying to the US. The above records are obviously incomplete as there are sometimes records of him leaving a country without entering it or vice versa.
His travels to Afghanistan and Pakistan are also not mentioned, as there was probably an effort to keep them out of his passport.
In 2007, al-Qaeda leader Luai Sakra will claim that Al Suqami was not just another hijacker but led a group of the hijackers. The release of Al Suqami’s passport records in 2008 will help corroborate that claim. [London Times, 11/25/2007]

Who says so? Luai Sakra according to the London Times.

His ability to keep providing high-quality forged papers made Turkey a main hub for Al-Qaeda movements, his lawyer says. The young men came to Turkey pretending to be on holiday and Sakka’s false papers allowed them to “disappear” overseas.
... When Moqed and Suqami returned to Turkey, Sakka employed his skills as a forger to scrub out the Pakistani visa stamps from their passports. This would help the Arab men enter the United States without attracting suspicion that they had been to a training camp.

Sakra aka Sakka was able to provide "high-quality forged papers". Obviously the "paper" of Satam wasn't forged.
Satams original "paper" allegedly had additional stamps instead of scrubbed out Pakistani visa stamps. Did the "high-quality" forger use eye catching correction fluid?
Finally the prominent Turkish newspaper Zaman reported that Sakka was hired as a CIA informant in 2000, after receiving a large sum of money from the agency. This would explain why he was "captured" but then released on two separate occasions by the CIA during the course of 2000.
Sakka was later captured by Turkish intelligence but again ordered to be released after which he moved to Germany to assist the alleged 9/11 hijackers.

Everything starts to make perfect sense - the visa fraud, the original passports with additional stamps and eye catching fluids provided by a faceless man in a buisness suit probably at Vesey St.

bullet point ...the strange video messages and wrong translations

Experts say "wrong translation"
http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/710/binladenvideofalschbers.png
http://img826.imageshack.us/img826/6691/monitorfalschbersetzung.png
http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/5664/mistranslatedosamabinla.png

Bush says "devastating declaration of guilt"
http://img573.imageshack.us/img573/2128/cnnbushosamatapeadevast.png

The media presented 3 different Jarrah confession tapes and he is always laughing like a bad amateur actor.

http://img573.imageshack.us/img573/7180/jarrahconfessions.png

The media presented an old man as "Jarrah" at Tarnak Farm

http://img706.imageshack.us/img706/8707/jarrah.gif

The camera still effect fades back to previously recorded footage but the timestamp remains changed.
That's impossible for any camera effect and a clear sign for manipulation.

http://img808.imageshack.us/img808/4016/fadeback.gif

Every single edit of the silent "Atta Confession Tape" shows tremendous amounts of digital dropouts.
http://img43.imageshack.us/img43/6057/transitions.png

The only one edit without any dropout is the connection between the Tarnak Farm part and the alleged confession part.

http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/498/will1m.png

In other words, that edit was done later using different equipment. Someone wanted to present Atta at Tarnak Farm to show a connection to UBL.
The same "unknown camera man" deleted the sound and manipulated the time-and-datestamp.
Finally he asked Atta to put on the cap for a moment. Otherwise it would be nearly impossible to identify Atta in the crowd.

http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/5945/snapshot20101225161534.png

Strangely enough a part of that video was released month earlier in a fiction movie.
Strangely enough that shot isn't part of the "confession tape" as it was sent (by some unknown man in buisness suit) to Fouda (Al Jazeera London).

http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/7901/snapshot20101225161435.png

It appears the the "fiction part" was shot by a second camera.

http://img811.imageshack.us/img811/8800/snapshot20101225161456.png

Nevertheless, there is no doubt that both scenes show the same rally, same Osama, same microphones...


more to come

Edited by Locknar: 

Hotlinked images removed, breach of rule 6; there are simply to many, to large, to varying in size and are disruptive to the forum.

 

[chipmunk stew]

You could have save a lot of time by just linking to a conspiraloon website.

 

[achimspok]

Poop

 

[triforcharity]

You are obviously of limited imagination.

Let me think for a moment.
Let's say, I'm alone. I have a flash light. I walk into the 1st floor, use the OEM tank as vapor bomb and I am done alone with a flashlight in about 20 minutes. I guess there are a hundret different ways to do the same. No firefighter will ask questions because I'm ConEd. No ConEd will ask questions because I'm engineer observing the building.
If you wanna do it, you will find a way. Maybe it's enough to set the freakin' SEC on fire. Hey, the firefighters had no water, right? It depends on what you really wanna do.

Fatal flaw.

Diesel fuel isn't explosive.

 

[twinstead]

I love rapid-fire shotgun evidence debate. Almost as much as I love irrational ideologues like achimspok. He is SO cute.

 

[LightningTeg]

There is not one piece of evidence in this entire post. It is all loosely connected, blind speculation and assertions.

Here I've made it easy for you by highlighting everything that is simply an assertion or leads to an assertion without evidence.

Me too. You can provide a lot information without wasting space and time.


...true, exaggerations, or irrelevant? Which bullet point is what?


Should we discuss each bullet point on my list, one at a time?

bullet point "...the waterboarded KSM and the vein confirmed by the CIA"

CIA Memorandum May 30, 2005




bullet point ...the money trail (Oops, no one should ask about that!)

discovered by Indian intelligence
NewsHour with Jim Lehrer, PBS, 11 December 2002




Asia Times, Apr 8, 2004


In the end this is common knowledge but...

9/11 Commission



bullet point "a passport that flew out of the exploding airplane"

CNN, Sep 18, 2001 Tuesday



Later the story changed. Why? Let's say Satam was in the cockpit and the passport - driven by some debris part - managed to escape through the windows and hallways without any significant contact to the tower. That way the passport might have survived in the bulls eye of a plane crash without any scatch and escaped the fireball too. The bigger problem was the reported wrong direction. There is simply not the slightest chance for the passport to leave the crushing airplane and to bounce back to land somewhere near Vesey street.

9/11 Commission Report:

Now we have an unknown source of the passport. Some passerby in a business suit gave it to Chin and never came forward with his extraordinary story despite the fact that his found resulted in a lot discussion in the media and internet.

Just like all the other hijackers Satam tried to be noticed but his visa application raised no question even if Satam came from out of nowhere.

So what is the purpose of "An Arabic stamp impression located near the top of page 8" that "has been partially covered with correction fluid"?
That correction is that obvious that it hardly do the job of a fraud. The white opaque fluid catches in the eye while the letters still can be read.
On page 8? In a passport full of stamps?
The only purpose is to be obvious as "manipulation" even if the purpose of the manipulation remains unknown.The FBI "associate" those manipulations to Al Qaeda. Hence, Al Qaeda must be a bunch of guys who want to be noticed (...or someone in a buisness suit wants Al Qaeda to be noticed.)


So the absence of expected stamps is part of the alleged fraud?
Let's read a little more: Satam geve a s*** on religion and drank alcohol.
In 1998 he disappeared because...


Who says so? Luai Sakra according to the London Times.


Sakra aka Sakka was able to provide "high-quality forged papers". Obviously the "paper" of Satam wasn't forged.
Satams original "paper" allegedly had additional stamps instead of scrubbed out Pakistani visa stamps. Did the "high-quality" forger use eye catching correction fluid?
Finally the prominent Turkish newspaper Zaman reported that Sakka was hired as a CIA informant in 2000, after receiving a large sum of money from the agency. This would explain why he was "captured" but then released on two separate occasions by the CIA during the course of 2000.
Sakka was later captured by Turkish intelligence but again ordered to be released after which he moved to Germany to assist the alleged 9/11 hijackers.

Everything starts to make perfect sense - the visa fraud, the original passports with additional stamps and eye catching fluids provided by a faceless man in a buisness suit probably at Vesey St.

bullet point ...the strange video messages and wrong translations

Experts say "wrong translation"
http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/710/binladenvideofalschbers.png
http://img826.imageshack.us/img826/6691/monitorfalschbersetzung.png
http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/5664/mistranslatedosamabinla.png

Bush says "devastating declaration of guilt"
http://img573.imageshack.us/img573/2128/cnnbushosamatapeadevast.png

The media presented 3 different Jarrah confession tapes and he is always laughing like a bad amateur actor.


The media presented an old man as "Jarrah" at Tarnak Farm

The camera still effect fades back to previously recorded footage but the timestamp remains changed.
That's impossible for any camera effect and a clear sign for manipulation.

[qimg]http://img808.imageshack.us/img808/4016/fadeback.gif[/qimg]

Every single edit of the silent "Atta Confession Tape" shows tremendous amounts of digital dropouts.

The only one edit without any dropout is the connection between the Tarnak Farm part and the alleged confession part.
In other words, that edit was done later using different equipment. Someone wanted to present Atta at Tarnak Farm to show a connection to UBL.
The same "unknown camera man" deleted the sound and manipulated the time-and-datestamp.Finally he asked Atta to put on the cap for a moment. Otherwise it would be nearly impossible to identify Atta in the crowd.

Strangely enough a part of that video was released month earlier in a fiction movie.
Strangely enough that shot isn't part of the "confession tape" as it was sent (by some unknown man in buisness suit) to Fouda (Al Jazeera London).


It appears the the "fiction part" was shot by a second camera.

Nevertheless, there is no doubt that both scenes show the same rally, same Osama, same microphones...


more to come

 

[achimspok]

Fatal flaw.

Diesel fuel isn't explosive.

poor boy

 

[beachnut]

... The media presented 3 different Jarrah confession tapes and he is always laughing like a bad amateur actor.

...

more to come

More like a dolt, a dead terrorist now; a failure, like 911 truth.
How do you make up this nonsense.

You present proof of a murderer, you attempt to apologize for someone who does not want or need your failed claims. They took credit, they did it on purpose, and you have failed to figure it out for over 9 years. It takes minutes to figure out 911, why has 911 truth failed? Because they make up a moronic fantasies, they have idiotic delusions, and an illusion of reality where their paranoid conspiracy theories rule due to ignorance.

Yeah, I forgot...
...the cars full of evidence ...

Wow, how did they find those cars of evidence. You mean the terrorists who committed suicide left cars behind? Wow, this is the big one. Wow! Wow! What else do you have!? wow

Yeah, I forgot...
...the delayed baggage of Atta full of changing things ...

Wow, you did tell the FBI! Wow, this will save 911 truth.

Wow, my baggage has never shown up days later, by FedEx; never! lol, wow...

Yeah, I forgot...
...the strange video messages and wrong translations ...

Wow, better get this to Dan, the man, Rather. Good luck.

Yeah, I forgot...
...the waterboarded KSM and the vein confirmed by the CIA ...

Water-boarding is bad, I would much rather be beat up, beheaded and raped than suffer water-boarding. Our torture is so bad, I mean being humiliated is much worse than rape, beheading, or being beat to pulp. I b with you on this one, hope the CIA never water-boards me, I would prefer beheading, beatings, and rape. My goodness, is the whole world laughing at our torture?

Yeah, I forgot...
...the confession videos found in the desert after an airstrike ...

Wow, something survived a bomb strike. I recall my dad and his buddies dropping grenades in a basement during WWII, a dog ran out after the explosions - nothing can survive bombs. Oops, a failed claim, a 911 truth legacy fantasy failure.

Yeah, I forgot...
...a passports wthat flew out of the exploding airplane ...

Wow, that never happens, nothing makes it out of a crashed burning plane. Never.

OOPS, I investigated fatal accidents where the jet burned and the pilot was killed, and paper objects survived. Darn, now what, 911 truth failed to make a point, this is common; even a shuttle burning up in the atmosphere has paper and other things survive in perfect condition. ... passports are not massive, or alive, they can survive a 50g, 2093 pounds of TNT kinetic energy impact; but if 911 truth could do physics, they would understand. Another failed line of nonsense. Good job.

Yeah, I forgot...
...another passport that was found 3 years later in Attas baggage ...

Wow, they found a passport! WOW! I found my daughters passport, years after it was issued. Darn, what does it mean??? NOTHING. great research.

Yeah, I forgot...
...the money trail (Oops, no one should ask about that!) ...

Wow, the big giant trail of money. Wow, 5 dollars for a knife, now that is a money trail. The planes they bought to crash. OOPS, they stole the jets. Darn, there goes that massive money trail. Gee whiz, now what. Oh, living money to become pilots in the USA; OOPS, if you what to be a pilot the US is the place to learn. Darn, there goes the money trail, down the failed fantasy hole of 911 truth, the pit of supreme ignorance where the light of knowledge does not shine.

Yeah, I forgot...
and so on and so on and so on

... so on and so on is all 911 truth has. Good job with this evidence stuff, 911 truth holding at zero evidence.

 

[achimspok]

There is not one piece of evidence in this entire post. It is all loosely connected, blind speculation and assertions.

Here I've made it easy for you by highlighting everything that is simply an assertion or leads to an assertion without evidence.

There is simply not the slightest chance for the passport to leave the crushing airplane and to bounce back to land somewhere near Vesey street.

You need evidence? Explain a single possibility for the passport to reach Vesey St.!

Now we have an unknown source of the passport.

Blind speculation? Who is the source?

So what is the purpose of "An Arabic stamp impression located near the top of page 8" that "has been partially covered with correction fluid"?

Assertions? The FBI asserted it is an Al Qaeda fraud. Try to make any sense out of it.

That correction is that obvious that it hardly do the job of a fraud. The white opaque fluid catches the eye while the letters still can be read.

How long do you need to identify white correction fluid on a white paper?
How long would you need to identify it on the pattern of a passport page?
What do you think he is hiding?

Who says so? Luai Sakra according to the London Times.

Blind speculations?

In 2007, former CIA Director George Tenet will write in his book “At the Center of the Storm” that “a source we were jointly running with a Middle Eastern country went to see his foreign handler and basically told him something big was about to go down.” [Tenet, 2007, pp. 160] This is very likely a reference to Sakra, since no one else comes close to matching the description of telling a Middle Eastern government about the 9/11 attacks one day in advance, not to mention working as an informant for the CIA at the same time. Tenet’s revelation strongly supports the notion that Sakra in fact accepted the CIA’s offers in 2000 and had been working with the CIA and other intelligence agencies at least through 9/11.

The same "unknown camera man" deleted the sound and manipulated the time-and-datestamp.

Simply an assertion?
They used a PAL 2-head JVC GR-DVJ70.
Video sound date time are recorded by the same heads on the same tape in different areas. You cannot prevent sound recording. You can do a dub recording but that dub is ALWAYS recorded in a separate track. Any malefunction results in an Error indication and the camcorder's functions become unusable to prevent further damage.

The snapshot function resumes to "normal recording". There is NO WAY that the rotating videoheads somehow fade back to previously recorded footage. Furthermore the recorded timestamp in the meta data cannot change. Even a blue screen cannot be recorded by the camcorder itself.

Hence, someone edited the video and wanted the video to look like a malfunctioning JVC GR-DVJ70.

Furthermore the video shows evidence for PAL NTSC conversion. Any suggestion why Al Qaeda should convert a PAL video into NTSC and back into PAL to send it to London?
Some video oparator in a NTSC country was certain that only a bunch of idiots watch it and buy it. They decided to edit the video and to delete the sound. They gave parts of the video to a fiction movie production 6 month earlier. After the editing was finished they sent the tape to Josri Fouda who ALWAYS received the Al Qaeda tapes and interviews.

Any other suggestion? Any fact besides you yellow highlits?

 

[aggle-rithm]

You are obviously of limited imagination.

I've written two symphonies. You?

Let me think for a moment.

Careful. Don't sprain anything.

Let's say, I'm alone. I have a flash light. I walk into the 1st floor, use the OEM tank as vapor bomb and I am done alone with a flashlight in about 20 minutes. I guess there are a hundret different ways to do the same. No firefighter will ask questions because I'm ConEd.

No, they wouldn't. They would say "GET THE HELL OUT OF HERE, MORON!!!"

No ConEd will ask questions because I'm engineer observing the building.
If you wanna do it, you will find a way. Maybe it's enough to set the freakin' SEC on fire. Hey, the firefighters had no water, right? It depends on what you really wanna do.

You could imagine all the ways it MIGHT have happened. Maybe robot zombies from the future materialized there and melted the support beams? However, most people figure that it probably had something to do with big chunks of concrete and steel raining down on the building from above. Once this is a given, there are all sorts of mechanisms for starting a fire that do not require covert ConEd impersonators or robot zombies.

 

[twinstead]

I'm beginning to get it, achimspok. Yours is an argument of complete ignorant incredulity, carefully crafted due to sheer volume of crap to keep anybody who questions it off guard. Color me shocked.

Add to that delightfully heady mix wild conjecture and just a pinch of that delightful misplaced arrogance that can only come from an irrational ideologue believing everything he reads on the internet no questions asked, and we have before us the stereotypical conspiracy theorist.

 

[achimspok]

More like a dolt, a dead terrorist now; a failure, like 911 truth.
How do you make up this nonsense.

...a used dolt, now dead. Even a hooligan is more convincing when talking about his obsession.

You present proof of a murderer, you attempt to apologize for someone who does not want or need your failed claims. They took credit, they did it on purpose, and you have failed to figure it out for over 9 years. It takes minutes to figure out 911, why has 911 truth failed? Because they make up a moronic fantasies, they have idiotic delusions, and an illusion of reality where their paranoid conspiracy theories rule due to ignorance.

Still no evidence?
http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/topten/usama-bin-laden/view

Does it make any sense to commit a terror attack and not to claim responsibility immediately? ...or ever after?

Wow, how did they find those cars of evidence. You mean the terrorists who committed suicide left cars behind? Wow, this is the big one. Wow! Wow! What else do you have!? wow

Wow, you did tell the FBI! Wow, this will save 911 truth.

Wow, my baggage has never shown up days later, by FedEx; never! lol, wow...

I will elaborate on that a little later.

Water-boarding is bad, I would much rather be beat up, beheaded and raped than suffer water-boarding. Our torture is so bad, I mean being humiliated is much worse than rape, beheading, or being beat to pulp. I b with you on this one, hope the CIA never water-boards me, I would prefer beheading, beatings, and rape. My goodness, is the whole world laughing at our torture?

humiliated? No, Beachnut, no one is laughing at your torture. You just expose how stupid you really are. I hope you can read. Here are spme exerpts from the Red Cross Report:

Waterboarding

Stress standing

Beating

Nudity

Sleep deprivation

Cold temperatures

Prolonged use of Handcuffs and shackles

Threats

Food

etc. pp.

Conclusion

Wow, something survived a bomb strike. I recall my dad and his buddies dropping grenades in a basement during WWII, a dog ran out after the explosions - nothing can survive bombs. Oops, a failed claim, a 911 truth legacy fantasy failure.

I guess he dropped hand granades. Then he walked down in the basemente and watched the video.

Wow, that never happens, nothing makes it out of a crashed burning plane. Never.

How many intact paper from the cockpit was found on the lawn of the Pentagon? Help me, I forgot!
Btw, that plane hit at an angle. Good chance for paper! AA11 hit almost perpendicular.

OOPS, I investigated fatal accidents where the jet burned and the pilot was killed, and paper objects survived. Darn, now what, 911 truth failed to make a point, this is common; even a shuttle burning up in the atmosphere has paper and other things survive in perfect condition. ... passports are not massive, or alive, they can survive a 50g, 2093 pounds of TNT kinetic energy impact; but if 911 truth could do physics, they would understand. Another failed line of nonsense. Good job.

OMG, I hope your investigation wasn't that important to others.

Just explain to your audience how any force will push that freakin' 492mph passport out of the cockpit before it entered the building AND how that passport shows no sign of "impact" to anything. We have to find it at Vesey St. Where did you find the Space Shuttle paper? What did the cockpit of the Space Shuttle impacting?
You investigated fatal accidents? Bicycle? LMAO!

Wow, they found a passport! WOW! I found my daughters passport, years after it was issued. Darn, what does it mean??? NOTHING. great research.

That's the funniest part of the FBI investigation. Give me one more day. I hope you are intelligent enough to laugh about it.

Wow, the big giant trail of money. Wow, 5 dollars for a knife, now that is a money trail. The planes they bought to crash. OOPS, they stole the jets. Darn, there goes that massive money trail. Gee whiz, now what. Oh, living money to become pilots in the USA; OOPS, if you what to be a pilot the US is the place to learn. Darn, there goes the money trail, down the failed fantasy hole of 911 truth, the pit of supreme ignorance where the light of knowledge does not shine.

... so on and so on is all 911 truth has. Good job with this evidence stuff, 911 truth holding at zero evidence.

Downplaying doesn't help you to look any better.

 

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...a used dolt, now dead. Even a hooligan is more convincing when talking about his obsession.



Still no evidence?
http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/topten/usama-bin-laden/view

Does it make any sense to commit a terror attack and not to claim responsibility immediately? ...or ever after?
[qimg]http://img203.imageshack.us/img203/5833/pic00283.png[/qimg]


I will elaborate on that a little later.


humiliated? No, Beachnut, no one is laughing at your torture. You just expose how stupid you really are. I hope you can read. Here are spme exerpts from the Red Cross Report:

Waterboarding
[qimg]http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/3815/pic00285.png[/qimg]

Stress standing
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[qimg]http://img34.imageshack.us/img34/4016/pic00289.png[/qimg]

Beating
[qimg]http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/6185/pic00290.png[/qimg]

[qimg]http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/9048/pic00291.png[/qimg]

Nudity
[qimg]http://img829.imageshack.us/img829/3872/pic00292.png[/qimg]

Sleep deprivation
[qimg]http://img602.imageshack.us/img602/5429/pic00293.png[/qimg]

Cold temperatures
[qimg]http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/4121/pic00294.png[/qimg]

Prolonged use of Handcuffs and shackles
[qimg]http://img831.imageshack.us/img831/8822/pic00295.png[/qimg]

Threats
[qimg]http://img827.imageshack.us/img827/4455/pic00296.png[/qimg]

Food
[qimg]http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/1807/pic00297.png[/qimg]

etc. pp.
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Conclusion
[qimg]http://img827.imageshack.us/img827/7541/pic00300.png[/qimg]

Wow, something survived a bomb strike. I recall my dad and his buddies dropping grenades in a basement during WWII, a dog ran out after the explosions - nothing can survive bombs. Oops, a failed claim, a 911 truth legacy fantasy failure.




OMG, I hope your investigation wasn't that important to others.

Just explain to your audience how any force will push that freakin' 492mph passport out of the cockpit before it entered the building AND how that passport shows no sign of "impact" to anything. We have to find it at Vesey St. Where did you find the Space Shuttle paper? What did the Space Shuttle impacting?


That's the funniest part of the FBI investigation. Give me one more day. I hope you are intelligent enough to laugh about it.


Downplaying doesn't help you to look any better.

If you want to uglify the Internet, I suggest you leave our forum alone and create your own hideous web site.