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Planned Parenthood Aids Pimp's Underage Sex Ring

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I disagree with this to a degree. Why? Because it discourages people from seeking help. Battered women will often not seek medical attention for injuries if they think it will lead to the arrest of their batterer (who they are often still committed to). So what to do? Just keep these measures in place and let them not seek any help and suffer alone?

On the whole I think it's better to have "no questions asked" medical treatment available then to engage in crusades to punish the wicked.
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I've seen that.... the couple in the apartment next to mine were beating up on each other.
Both me and the guy on the other side of their apartment called the cops.
They came, and asked the guy to step outside the apartment. He was then promptly arrested.
The gal said "Ooooh! That's not fair!".... ???????????????????????
 
Understood. I do think this is something people can disagree about in good faith.

For myself, it comes from living in Vancouver which is a multicultural environment. It's simply become necessary to bulid a framework here that tells physicians that their cultural judgements are not an excuse to look the other way.

Too many cases of "Well, yeah, I knew he burned his wife's face with acid, but that's what we do in our culture, so I let it go."

Of course, if it becomes known in that community that the women you spray with acid will go the hospital and you'll get arrested, they won't let those women have access to the hospitals. Now they're abused and don't get the burns treated.

It's a dangerous Catch-22. I don't like putting physicians in the position of having to make those decisions.

I'm sort of jaded because my first wife was a child protection officer. She used to testify against GPs who would, say, have treated a 6mo old infant with a broken femur that was probably rape, but accepted the parents' lame story about the baby falling down stairs and so failed to report. I find it hard to entertain counterarguments.

The danger of mandatory reporting is that people won't seek medical help. Children don't have the ability to obtain medical assitance on their own, so manditory reporting for young children is a must. Obviously they become more liberated at some age, but that kind of violence perpetrated against such a young child has to be reported.
 
So you detain him and his cronies simply take the other girls and disappear with them. How does that really help things?

You see it's the fact that there is a ring of other girls out there that throws a monkey wrench into all of this. If it were just a matter of a guy coming in with one girl he pimps out I would agree with you. But that there are other girls out there who's identity and condition is unknown makes that response probably not the most prudent.

As such I think what they did do was the most appropriate response. Let the guy leave and then inform the right people (like the FBI) and let them decide if they want to run a sting to find out where the other girls are. Until then you simply make like you are the Pimp's friend in the hope that you get more info on the other girls.



That is entirely subjective and irrelevant.



You have no way of knowing and yet you speculate the worst possible interpretation.



I disagree with this to a degree. Why? Because it discourages people from seeking help. Battered women will often not seek medical attention for injuries if they think it will lead to the arrest of their batterer (who they are often still committed to). So what to do? Just keep these measures in place and let them not seek any help and suffer alone?

On the whole I think it's better to have "no questions asked" medical treatment available than to engage in crusades to punish the wicked.

Agreed. There are several different types of jobs dedicated to law enforcement, child protection, etc. In the event of abuse, they focus on the attacker. There are also jobs that involve medical care. In the event of abuse, they focus on the victim. There is no reason for these jobs to overlap. Nurses and counselors shouldn't be arresting pimps any more than cops should be handing out birth control.
 
Agreed. There are several different types of jobs dedicated to law enforcement, child protection, etc. In the event of abuse, they focus on the attacker. There are also jobs that involve medical care. In the event of abuse, they focus on the victim. There is no reason for these jobs to overlap. Nurses and counselors shouldn't be arresting pimps any more than cops should be handing out birth control.

So, not only was the PP employee in the wrong for trying to help who she thought was an underage pimp do something illegal...but PP was wrong to then inform the FBI.

interesting...
 
Whoever at PP reported this to the FBI, did the right thing.

The PP employee did not do the right thing, thus she was fired.

The people who made this video merely lied to PP and that ain't a crime.

you should be applauding these undercover investigations, since they root out criminal acts

And what do you think of the local police response? Have these undercover 'investigators' uncovered dereliction of duty in the local police?

These people were propagandists, and knew exactly what they were doing. This is why the focus is only on Planned Parenthood.

EDIT: And asserting that the employee being fired is good evidence that she did something wrong is a jump. She could have been fired because it's expedient for PR reasons. You have to actually argue how what she did was wrong for it to be wrong.
 
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And what do you think of the local police response? Have these undercover 'investigators' uncovered dereliction of duty in the local police?

These people were propagandists, and knew exactly what they were doing. This is why the focus is only on Planned Parenthood.

I wouldn't call what they do "propaganda", but I do agree with your inference about them focusing on PP.

Mayor Bloomberg sends investigators to an AZ gun show to lie that they can't pass a background check and then purchase a gun. Propagandist? No, I wouldn't call it that, but they do have an agenda.

EDIT: And asserting that the employee being fired is good evidence that she did something wrong is a jump. She could have been fired because it's expedient for PR reasons. You have to actually argue how what she did was wrong for it to be wrong.

Even if for just PR reasons, it was considered "wrong" for the standards and/or image of PP, so she was fired.
 
These people were propagandists, and knew exactly what they were doing. This is why the focus is only on Planned Parenthood.

Exactly. It's also why we don't see any of these right wing provocateurs running stings on, say, the Catholic Church, where we know widespread child molestation and abuse has occurred.
 
So, not only was the PP employee in the wrong for trying to help who she thought was an underage pimp do something illegal...but PP was wrong to then inform the FBI.

interesting...

And you were wrong in thinking you proved a goddam thing by cutting and pasting yet another conservative "gotcha" story you plagiarized from somewhere else.

I'm done with you. You are now in my very short ignore list.
 
I wouldn't call what they do "propaganda", but I do agree with your inference about them focusing on PP.

Mayor Bloomberg sends investigators to an AZ gun show to lie that they can't pass a background check and then purchase a gun. Propagandist? No, I wouldn't call it that, but they do have an agenda.

Except that Mayor Bloomberg doesn't disingenuously use his legally sanctioned investigation (there's an interesting distinction) to smear an entire organization.

But yeah, other than that, your analogy is flawless.
 
Except that Mayor Bloomberg doesn't disingenuously use his legally sanctioned investigation (there's an interesting distinction) to smear an entire organization.

But yeah, other than that, your analogy is flawless.

*cough* the NRA *cough*
 
NEW JERSEY – February 1, 2011– A Planned Parenthood manager in New Jersey coaches a man and a woman posing as sex traffickers how to secure secret abortions, STD testing, and contraception for their female underage sex slaves, and make their whole operation “look as legit as possible” in an undercover video released this morning.

Clinic manager Amy Woodruff, LPN, of Planned Parenthood Central New Jersey’s Perth Amboy center, warns the pimp and his prostitute to have their trafficked underage girls lie about their age to avoid mandatory reporting laws, promising, “even if they lie, just say, ‘Oh he's the same age as me, 15,’…it's just that mainly 14 and under we have to, doesn't matter if their partner's the same age, younger, whatever, 14 and under we have to report.” She says, “For the most part, we want as little information as possible.”



Keep in mind that Planned Parenthood receives federal money

My theory is Amy Woodruff needs to get fired.


My theory is also that Amy Woodruff needs something else....My theory is also that Amy Woodruff is star struck by associating herself with these people and might be hoping to get involved because, I am guessing, she is lonely herself and is missing out on the kid of action that this the illegal sex industry is involved in. I think she must be kind of like a hungry dog seeing a kill from a wolf pack for the first time.

I cannot imagine the entire org is like this.
 
From the Florida Bar Association:

Except, of course, that physical injuries are quite different from pregnancy. In the case of pregnancy, all the woman must do is remain silent about the father, and no reporting requirements exist. The same is not true in the case of injuries that the hospital suspects are caused by domestic violence. So the two reporting requirements are fundamentally different, and your link proves nothing about the current situation. Furthermore, it's essentially an opinion piece. There is no actual data presented.

So, report the crime and hope the investigators are too ****** to learn the source of the abuse? WOnderful system.

No, TW. I would have thought you'd be smart enough to figure this out, but if the father is the same age, then there is no felony, and there is no requirement to report. That's why in the 2008 videos, they make a point of not only telling the PP staff the girl's age was 13, but also the father's age was 31. Without that info, there is no reporting requirement. And the PP staff in at least one case knew this, because she says that she didn't hear the age and doesn't want to know the age. She's breaking the law, and trying to cover her ass about it.

Yes, it was a failure of the system that abuse was allowed to go on for so long. The people to blame, however, are not the medical professionals that focused on the girls' health.

They DIDN'T focus on her health. They focused on giving her an abortion. Whatever overlap there might be, those two things sure as hell aren't the same. If they had focused on her health, she might still be alive. So don't give me this **** about abortion being equal to caring for someone. Even when it's the right choice, it sure as hell isn't the same thing.

Are you talking about the earlier attempts by Rose to smear the organization? This BS:


http://mediamatters.org/research/201102010048

No, I'm not talking about that case. While those conversations were distasteful, none of them involved breaking the law. I'm talking about the 2008 Mona Lisa Project tapes. Your link doesn't address the contents of those tapes in any way. In fact, one could read that page and not even know such tapes were even made - is that what happened with you? Perhaps you should ponder why mention of the 2008 video tapes is absent.

All your link does is engage in an ad hominem attack against Rose.

Children don't have the ability to seek care on their own.

Except at Planned Parenthood, evidently.

First of all, the Planned Parenthood workers in this example DID report the crimes. People are mad that they didn't do it in front of the fake pimp, or something.

I know they reported it this time. I said that in my very first post. And they did so because they learned from being burned by their failures in 2008.

Second, You're just being glib about an issue that tortures endless health care workers every day of their life. This is not an easy decision.
Bull. It's a VERY easy decision: you follow the law. End of story.

The leading cause of death for pregnant women is murder. Forcing young women to notify their parents (often the source of the abuse) can be and often is more damaging.

We're not talking about parental notification. We're talking about notifying the cops. Parental notification can be avoided when necessary with a judicial bypass.

Forced reporting eliminates people's ability to analyze the situation and determine if they're hurting or helping.

You seem to be under the impression that in the absence of such a requirement, they actually go through a thorough analysis to determine this. But they don't. They didn't. Nor should they have to.

It's also a terrible idea to put this burden on doctors and health care workers.

Indeed: give them an unambiguous rule they can follow, and let someone else who can actually spend time and effort making an informed judgment call handle the situation. In other words, the cops.

I'm all for increasing the budget to put more social workers in hospitals and PP clinics. People who can look into the situation professionally and determine the right course of action.

You know whose job that is? The cops. That's their job. It is not the job of the health care providers. Hell, you even said that you don't want them to be dealing with stuff that isn't their job. Then you turn around and try to saddle them with the job anyways.
 
Reprehensible?

LOL

Saying that seeing one of these guys buy it for being stupid would feel good?

I dare say many people would say the same about Westboro Baptist Church's hatemongers. And those say people would same they hope it never happens.

So, go play that card with somebody who cares.
 
Reprehensible?

LOL

Saying that seeing one of these guys buy it for being stupid would feel good?

I dare say many people would say the same about Westboro Baptist Church's hatemongers. And those say people would same they hope it never happens.

So, go play that card with somebody who cares.

Wait, you're actually wishing death upon them?

Dude.
 
Reprehensible?

LOL

Saying that seeing one of these guys buy it for being stupid would feel good?

You said,
Some day I want somebody to pull a CCW and blow one of these entrapping bastards into oblivion.

You said you wanted to see murder committed. And that you would enjoy watching it.

Now, what on earth could anyone find objectionable about that? It's a complete mystery!

But don't worry, I appreciate the irony.
 

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