WTC7 and the NIST free fall failure

triforcharity said:
Myself and others have tried to explain many times where he goes so horribly wrong, but it is like talking to my dog about time-temperature curves. He just thinks "Where is the cat?" and looks at me funny.
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Is your dog named Richard Gage? I saw a BBC documentary where he went as far as to say there were no fires in 7 WTC. I can't see your dog being that stupid though. Perhaps your dog could explain it to Gage and spok?
 
achimspok said:
Your "fixing" by a fat underlined WEST is just the way LIES work over here.

Call it 355°-350°.

Btw, WEST = 270° and NORTH = 360° / 0°.

Buy a compass. Take a day off. Learn something.
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I didn't say WEST. I ADDED west to your NORTH direction making NorthWEST.

It's called a contraction.
 
achimspok said:
A chaotic and stressful day? Yes.
~1,100 employees? Yes.

How many are qualified to measure building movements from a distant vantage point and to predict collapses?
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A surveyor could do it. Hell, I could do it.

achimspok said:
Who is the one who worked for / called by / was trusted by the OEM and the fire chiefs?
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Do you realize how many Chiefs the FDNY has?

Again, a surveyor could have predicted it. I could have with a transit.

achimspok said:
Do you think it's possible that they don't know his name? NO FREAKIN' WAY!
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Ok. So, it's your OPINION that they knew his name, but wouldn't divulge it? That makes no sense whatsoever.

Ask anyone who has worked on an aircraft carrier. There are people that they do not know on board. And that is only ~5000 people. Double that!
 
achimspok said:
I said 355°. You just think "West?" and look at me funny.

You and others explained many times where I goes horribly wrong?
That's funny.
I said the fires were exactly as described in the Pitts chapter of the predecisional NIST report. You just think "Smoke everywhere?" and look at me funny.

I said Alienentitys 15-20 floors on fire are nonsense. The smoke is no argument since the origin is obvious. You just think "Cat?" and look at me funny.
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I added WEST to your NORTH direction, making northWEST. Hence, why I did not strike out the word NORTH.

Yes, we have explained it. You ignore it. Not our problem.

I don't think smoke everywhere, I SEE smoke everywhere. There is a difference.

15-20 floors on fire is much more accurate than your north wind debacle.
 
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Dragon37 said:
Is your dog named Richard Gage? I saw a BBC documentary where he went as far as to say there were no fires in 7 WTC. I can't see your dog being that stupid though. Perhaps your dog could explain it to Gage and spok?
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My dog is incredibly smart. I would not want him anywhere NEAR Gage et al. as I would want him to start pooping in the house.
 
Dave Rogers said:
Would it be relevant either way?

Dave
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Yes, of course. Both ways. Neither the OEM nor the fire chiefs would leave such an important and responsible job / decision to some unknown Mr. X with some kind of equipment.
Furthermore, any observation of building movement works only by comparison of data from (probably at least two directions) over time (probably minutes or hours) to exclude the sway due to wind.
Hence, the data must be stored and (probably computer based) analyzed. Those data would be the base of decisions like pull the firemen back from the building or stop the rescue efforts or stop the fighting of the fire etc pp.
Those data do not disappear after the worse case and the names of the crew who gathered those data do not disappear as well.

Back in the 1970s they used the intersection data of 3 stationary high precision theodolites. Today (or 2001) they probably use laser theodolites or even accelerometers in the building.

If there is just one person and nobody remembers the name then you can be pretty certain that somone is lying about that for any reason. If that person predicted 5 hours for WTC7 based on (the disappeared) data of an unkown "Harley guy" source and no real world example for the strange NIST mechanism then something is rotten in the state of Denmark.
 
alienentity said:
It would help if you didn't misquote me.... where did I say 20 floors of fire?

I said 20 floors of smoke. You still have failed to disprove that observation, but your handwaving has produced a gale of its own!

btw you still haven't got the wind direction right, based on the satellite view. Oh well, it really doesn't matter. Just like David Ray Griffin and his refusal to accept the fact of passenger phone calls, truthers just keep getting basic things so wrong it's literally a joke.
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LOL. What is the wind direction, Alienentity?
I'm pretty sure you are not able to latch onto perspective and the elevation of the smoke. Once again, by the way.

Uh, you said 20 floors of smoke? You presented it as evidence of fire? ...from loads of (unbroken) windows by the way? And you try to ridicule Griffin to look a little better in your smiley acid shi(r)t? Your style is wretched.

So what is the direction of the wind? 300° may be?
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You just keep getting basic things so wrong it's literally a joke.

You want to talk about the "Hi Mom, here is Mark Bingham" stuff? Do you want to start a thread?
 
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achimspok said:
If there is just one person and nobody remembers the name then you can be pretty certain that somone is lying about that for any reason. If that person predicted 5 hours for WTC7 based on (the disappeared) data of an unkown "Harley guy" source and no real world example for the strange NIST mechanism then something is rotten in the state of Denmark.
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That's the problem with strawman arguments and wild assumptions. You get nowhere, in fact you're probably in a worse position than not knowing.

Carry on....
 
Sabretooth said:
I say BFD.

It's an argument over nonsense. Wind direction is a zero causual factor here. There were fires raging through WTC7, and that is readily available via video and pictures. The people monitoring the building were concerned that the building could collapse because they had no way to stop the fires...and, The people monitoring the building were concerned
You are so blinded by woo that you are willing to argue over things that don't even freakin' matter. It's stupid.
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Probably you are the one who is blinded by woo. The wind direction and the effect of the wind is an important factor here because the images of smoke billowing up the south face are totally misleading and were used to mislead.
There was no burning inferno, neither in the south nor in the north.

The people monitoring the building were concerned? Yes, like everybody who saw an airplane that day. The people who predicted collapses have neither names nor faces nor data. The people who warned the Mayor disappeared in a midnight summer dream. The people monitoring the building saw a bulge in a corner that wasn't there anymore. The people monitoring the building saw fire at 20 floors but couldn't answer if it was one window or more windows.

At 1pm the evidence show no visible sign of the fires (neither fire nor smoke) allegedly ignited at 10:28 in the south of the floors 11, 12, 13.
Nevertheless huge fires developed at 2pm in the east.
Nevertheless at 1pm the NIST simulation already reaches 500°C-1000°C upper layer temperature at floor 12 in an area of a quater of a football field. That simulation was copied to floors 11 and 13. That's your woo.
 
alienentity said:
That's the problem with strawman arguments and wild assumptions. You get nowhere, in fact you're probably in a worse position than not knowing.

Carry on....
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What is the wind direction, Alienentity?
Who predicted the collapse based on which data?

You're probably in a worse position than you can imagine. All you do is arrogant rethoric as you learned it in 9 years of blind discipline to some baseless non-arguments. Simply answer a question!
 
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