Ed Rob Menard's FOTL Claims

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dear me bob, simply because you have decided to leave him alone because you couldnt get under his skin.
Didnt you have multiple log ons on Ickes?

I like baiting Menard, I enjoy it, its good fun, its that simple.
You gave up because you found something else to do, I have a bit of spare time occasionally so I bait Menard.

by the way Im not confined to bed ;)
 
Rob Menard said:
This will require an army of diggers and builders this summer. Those who come out to help, even though not selected for Stewardship in this round, will be given greater consideration when we select the people for the development of the next phase of the 250 acres, and those who you help will help you in return. Additionally you will be paid in Valley Notes which may be redeemed for those things made by the Artisans in their shops. Help us build a bakery, you will get your daily bread..
So after helping develop the area not only will you not get "Stewardship" for all your hard work you will be paid in worthless script acceptable only at "the company store"
 
So after helping develop the area not only will you not get "Stewardship" for all your hard work you will be paid in worthless script acceptable only at "the company store"

What's pleasing to see this time is the fact that the usual suspects haven't jumped on the bandwagon this time. I think people are finally seeing him for what he is.
 
The thing is setting up a Low Impact Artist Eco-Village actually requires hard work and real world effort not just posting on a forum or watching youtube so the chances of it ever actually materializing are low to non existant.
 
So after helping develop the area not only will you not get "Stewardship" for all your hard work you will be paid in worthless script acceptable only at "the company store"



But if he can pull this off, he's found the perfect way to get the spring cleaning at his cottage done for free!
 
running off to the pigs and grassing on him for what exactly? and who is this we? would that be the jref? with it's forum that lets jargon buster post his stalking of menard or just a couple of company men who'd grass to the pigs there own grandmother to show what good little citizens they are.

The we would be myself and those in my own family that have been horribly hurt from what has happened in this family due to Rob Menard and this whole movement. Yes I would run to the police and let them know what is going on.
This would be a grandmother that really would want to at least let the police know about what he is up to. Why bring Jargon Buster into something that I wrote. There was no call for that.
 
So after helping develop the area not only will you not get "Stewardship" for all your hard work you will be paid in worthless script acceptable only at "the company store"


Yes, it's not a particularly attractive deal is it? You are offered the enticing opportunity of a period of voluntary servitude and there is a good chance you'll have nothing to show for it at the end of the process. This is grotesquely ironic as FMOTL adherents are constantly claiming they have been reduced to a condition of enslavement & here we have a prominent FMOTL 'guru' offering them the chance to experience some similar to the real thing 1st hand - ie doing backbreaking labour with little prospect of renumeration / compensation.

I wonder whether Menard & the landlord have some kind of cheeky deal whereby a load of maintenance work is done for free?

Several points:-

1) Note how it's no longer called 'Freedom Valley'. I expect the idea of a Menard led FMOTL Utopia was something of a turn off.

2) It's clear he has no idea how massive a project this is & how expensive it will be. What are his plans re sanitation, fresh water, electricity, gas, amenities (aside from the artisan shops)

3) Is the deal offered to the potential 'Stewards' a breach of some form of Canadian Consumer / Employment legislation?

4) The reference to families is chilling. Does he expect people to move their children to some filthy, muddy swamp in order to fulfill his vain fantasies? Apparently so :mad:
 
I wonder if he is on the verge of a nervous breakdown.
His latest posts are getting more insulting and deranged by the day.
I wonder if its time to lay off him?

Naaaaah!....wheres that proxy site again :D
PS his thread has now had over 80 views not one response, they are on to him alright.
 
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12 hours a day digging a ditch/hole with the opportunity to purchase some home made 'Dream Catchers' or a 'Hand Knitted Teapot' and in your downtime free and unlimited use of the cesspit and provision to indulge in the odd 'spliff' or 20.....

...or sign up for some charity work, reclaiming canals, helping at the local animal shelter, volunteer work in a charity shop or any other type of charitable work....pays the same and you'd be helping to improve the world just a little bit....so that nice warm feeling is from a selfless act rather than a bout of Dysentery acquired from unclean sanitary conditions.....

....or take a summer course in learning Excel or similar I.T. subjects or any of the large number of summer school activities....maybe help in finding work....rent a flat....meet your mates at the pub and watch the Champions League on the telly...get a Tikka Masala take out on the way home...maybe a little slightly over imbibed intimacy with your wife or girlfriend...so that nice warm feeling is from having a loved one and close friends to share your life rather than the Ralgex you've applied to your back having torn a muscle erecting some FOTLers idea of an Iron Age Roundhouse...
 
They ban the skeptics on Ickes and the forum dries up, they dont have the mental capacity to start a thread on their own :D
 
Reading on the World Freeman Society forum I found these threads regarding survival. It reads like a camping list.

forum.worldfreemansociety.org/viewtopic.php?f=69&t=4099

forum.worldfreemansociety.org/viewtopic.php?f=69&t=5865

On this last one it is from Rob Menard himself. The last thing on his list is Birth control and pregnancy test kits.
 
How many of those were us?

Two of them were me, second one being to copy and paste what follows.

In fairness to Rob, he's not exactly subtle over how he expects his vision to play out -

Great news!
The Low Impact Artist Eco-Village is once again a potential go.
I am seeking input in order to develop a leasehold type agreement for what I am calling Land Stewards.

I know two parties, one with 110 acres and one with 250 acres. I have agreement in principle with the first and have spoken briefly with the other. He is amendable to doing something similar with his land.

The first plot is an hour from both Montreal and Ottawa. The second is a little further north. It is nicely wooded and slightly hilly. There is fresh water in the form of small lakes, and a running river not too far away, though it is off property. This will be divided into parcels of 10 acres. We are looking for people who want to form an artist/freeman community with low impact and to as large a degree as possible a self sufficient and off grid infrastructure. We are looking for people who want to build unique and funky houses, workshop/studios, cabins and sales stalls using alternative building technologies such as earthships, monolithic domes, tree houses, Hobbit Houses, shipping containers, and the like. These will act as both a draw for visitors, and as teaching tools for those who wish to do similar. The cabins will be rented out allowing for guests and visitors while bringing in outside dollars to buy things needed.

Come one people, come and provide your free labour to build properties for Rob to rent out for the benefit of himself and his Land Stewards.

These people should very hardy with a pioneer attitude and a willingness to work together and have some talent or craft to offer at market. They should know how to work hard and build soundly. We will hold weekly markets for the sales of goods made by them and other locals, as well as occasional festivals and gatherings. . Artisans and craft makers such as blacksmith, candle/soap makers, artisans, furniture maker, bakers, and the like are wanted to form the core of the community. We also want to build a music studio and operate a general store and cafe/restaurant. We would love to attract a semi-retired Doctor and Dentist. There is also need for geeks and diggers and infrastructure builders. Families are preferred over singles, though singles are not excluded, and there is much more room for those in Phase Two.

Rob wants skilled people to take advantage of too, no riff raff. And families too, if possible...

This will require an army of diggers and builders this summer. Those who come out to help, even though not selected for Stewardship in this round, will be given greater consideration when we select the people for the development of the next phase of the 250 acres, and those who you help will help you in return. Additionally you will be paid in Valley Notes which may be redeemed for those things made by the Artisans in their shops. Help us build a bakery, you will get your daily bread.

Be under no illusions, nothing is being offered in return unless you are a Land Steward.

Unfortunately, one gets the impression that the Land Stewards are Rob and his cronies. However the people who put the work in will get some bread. How nice of him.

At the moment I am working on the leasehold agreement, which would allow maximum freedom on individual parcels, with suitable restrictions in place to ensure the low impact, high efficiency, working community we are aiming for. The present owner of the property is willing to lease the parcels for $1 a year. Yes one dollar a year. The agreement though must in the end ensure that he does find some value for his land in exchange, hopefully in bread or other products over a period of time.

The land owner wants a dollar a year and some bread in return. Course he does, Rob, course he does.

He also considers The burden to the Steward should be hardly felt. He is not in it for the money, and his concern is that an agreement would be made allowing the land to be taken over somehow by people who do not wish to properly steward the land. So you won't be able to sell it and it is not an absolute transfer of ownership. It must ensure that the low eco-impact artist village is a result, and it must encourage the development of a strong community of caring, freedom loving, earth respecting, passionate people.

So the Land Stewards get a leasehold interest only.

However, they will take the benefit of the holiday lettings that the artisans will be building for them.

I'm getting visions of a mud hut version of baronial Britain.

It must also protect the Stewards, as no one wants to build a super place, only to be evicted by the owner so he can profit once the work has been done. It must allow for those who do Steward to be able to benefit from the effort they put in and transfer that effort to their offspring an heirs with little restriction, as well as enjoy some level of transferability to those who are not their heirs.

Stewards who build their places can retain their properties for the benefit of their heirs. Hang on, what about the communal living stuff?

It must outline a basic community decision making process, one which is inclusive, equitable, fair, flexible and adaptable, fast and simple and easy, and not based upon an adversarial contest.

Translation - "what Rob says goes"

The terms of it must be agreeable me, as one of the Stewards.

In case you didn't get it the first time, "what Rob says goes." Oh and looky here, Rob is a Land Steward who will be getting his place built for him, so he takes the benefit of someone's free labour and is entitled to keep his property for the benefit of himself and his heirs.

You missed something Rob - maybe you need a chief bum wiper as well.

I figure if I am happy with it, others should be,

Rob's entire attitude in one succinct quote

because I am not putting my energy into the land and this project without knowing my efforts are protected, the land is protected and stewarded properly, there is a very high level of individual freedom, I can transfer it to heirs, my neighbours have passion and care for each other, the result is funky and unique, and it has a general positive impact on humanity.

Change "humanity" for "my lifestyle" and that quote would be pretty accurate.

With all that in mind, what I am mostly seeking with this thread, is input on what sort of terms would be necessary in the leasehold agreement to accomplish all these things as well as ideas on how to structure a community decision making process under that agreement.

Rob would also like some free advice to ensure this is properly legally binding.

- What would you want to see in this agreement if you were selected to be a Steward?
- What is the best way to protect YOUR investment if you are selected?
- How do we ensure YOU are protected so you have the freedom to build essentially what you want, but still become part of a community that draws visitors for its unique building structures, efficient infrastructure, self-sufficiency, arts and crafts and goods?
- What restrictions would need be put in place which you would not find onerous or unjust but would support the community?
- How do we attract and provide and recompense the Corps of Diggers and Builders?
- What sort of selection process should be employed? If you were in charge of selecting the Stewards, how would you do it?
- What sort of obstacles do we face?

Some points for discussion to entice people, but which will be ignored if they don't fit Rob's vision.

Thank you very much for your input! As soon as this is completed I will show it to the guy and if he is happy we will have the Steward Proposals available. These are packages where you share with us what you propose to build and offer if selected. Kinda like an application, except you abandon nothing and do not beg, merely propose.

Thanks eh guys!


Translation - "these are packages where you give us your labour for free so that me and my mates can live how we like. We may give you some bread though."

PS- I am in Moncton and doing a show on Tuesday. Hope to have a great turnout, people seem very up on it here, so if you are in the Maritimes try to come!

"PS - only a couple of people have expressed an interest in seeing me in Moncton on Tuesday. It's not enough for me to pay for theatre hire, nor for me to repay the bloke who subbed me the rail fare. Please come because I'm going to need bailing out again."
 
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I can't see many people really wanting to do this what Menard has planned. It takes lots of time and lots of hard work. I can see people signing up for it but not lasting for very long. They all have such huge ideas and plans but when push comes to shove I am sure that they do not want to have to work that hard.

I have a very hard time believing that anyone would basically give land away the way that Menard describes the payment for it that is what I see. I also have a hard time seeing anyone wanting to pay the land taxes for him so he would still have to pay that.
There was also talk about making sure that proper contracts were written up regarding this land. Now that made me laugh. Who in their right mind would write up a contract with him or any other freeman. Even if I was a freeman there is no way that I would trust any of the others when it comes to contracts of any kind.
 
I wonder if he is on the verge of a nervous breakdown.
His latest posts are getting more insulting and deranged by the day.
I wonder if its time to lay off him?

Naaaaah!....wheres that proxy site again :D
PS his thread has now had over 80 views not one response, they are on to him alright.

Ahhh, the worse punishment a conman could have, being ignored.
 
Menard wrote on ickes:

With all that in mind, what I am mostly seeking with this thread, is input on what sort of terms would be necessary in the leasehold agreement to accomplish all these things as well as ideas on how to structure a community decision making process under that agreement.

All this time he has bleated on about how the FOTL way of life is superior to the system that is already in place, but after all of these years he still hasn't even worked out a method for a decision making process within a FOTL community?
Or am I missing something here?
 
Menard wrote on ickes:



All this time he has bleated on about how the FOTL way of life is superior to the system that is already in place, but after all of these years he still hasn't even worked out a method for a decision making process within a FOTL community?
Or am I missing something here?

Check out a few lines further up. I think that's where you find the answer -

The terms of it must be agreeable me, as one of the Stewards.

I would predict with a degree of confidence that the buck stops with him as far as important decisions are concerned.
 
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