Merged Their Return

[tsig]

That is a quote from earlier in the thread.

All that anyone has found has been made of copper. Even if they managed to make bronze alloys that's only got a hardness of 3. Andesite is harder.

My contention is that we I don't know how these works were done. That the technology to recreate these things, no longer exists.

ftfy

 

[King of the Americas]

I don't remember presenting my balls as evidence...

You ignore two facts:
1. I provided three examples (from many available), the other two show more detailed carving.
2. Your contention is that such hard rock could not be carved without advanced technology and yet in the three examples I provided, hard rock has been carved without advanced technology.

This Egyptian andesite jug carved and hollowed out, shows the level of expertise from 2920-2649 BC
http://www.christies.com/LotFinder/lot_details.aspx?pos=6&intObjectID=4821472&sid=

How could they get a chisel into that and hollow it out without advanced technology?

You 'showed' rounded drilled shapes, with a few triangular carved lines...like the grooves cut into your balls to create those knobs. These things are accomplished by something entirely different than what cut the line in the picture at the above link.

Why would you even NEED to create a squared cut so small? Using mere hand tools to make that cut, with that kind of precision, would require WAY too time from a master mason to waste on a "line"... There's nothing ornate there. It is utilitarian. That cut was made with a machine.

A stick, bow, sand, and water can drill a hole in just about anything, given enough time. Square holes on the other hand require a different technique...

 

[King of the Americas]

ftfy

The MP3 file attached said 'they' didn't know either.

If YOU think you do know, please offer up a demonstration, and I'll kiss your feet, upon your success.

 

[King of the Americas]

Everyone else thinks they exist...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1952867/British-Government-releases-UFO-files.html

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/188750/french_government_release_ufo_files.html?cat=37

http://www.sott.net/articles/show/220206-New-Zealand-UFO-files-released

What is the skeptical response to this stuff?

 

[tsig]

You 'showed' rounded drilled shapes, with a few triangular carved lines...like the grooves cut into your balls to create those knobs. These things are accomplished by something entirely different than what cut the line in the picture at the above link.

Why would you even NEED to create a squared cut so small? Using mere hand tools to make that cut, with that kind of precision, would require WAY too time from a master mason to waste on a "line"... There's nothing ornate there. It is utilitarian. That cut was made with a machine.

A stick, bow, sand, and water can drill a hole in just about anything, given enough time. Square holes on the other hand require a different technique...

Foot shot.

 

[King of the Americas]

Foot shot.

You should have kept reading...

 

[carlitos]

Congratulations King of the Americas! Which signature do you think will carry more weight for the IOC, "Wet Rabbit," "WeirdUserName" or "hip hop sucks"?

By the way, just skimming the question as you wrote it, I think that you are mostly getting religious people.

 

[King of the Americas]

Congratulations King of the Americas! Which signature do you think will carry more weight for the IOC, "Wet Rabbit," "WeirdUserName" or "hip hop sucks"?

By the way, just skimming the question as you wrote it, I think that you are mostly getting religious people.

How bad should a real "John Smith" feel about offer his name to an endeavor?

The real question is who would someone offer mock support to a serious intention?

Whoever did that is a good 2 rungs below childish.

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http://www.petitionspot.com/petitions/openingceremoies2012

 

[carlitos]

I think that those are real usernames and not "mock support," KotA. When I clicked "sign this petition" (I didn't actually go through with it), it asked to access my Facebook. I imagine it also accesses things like Yahoo and MSN names. Lots of people have usernames like that.

ETA - but, like I said, people have pretty bad reading comprehension (look at this thread for evidence), and you have the words "god in heaven" in your petition, so I'd guess that most of the support you get will be from Christians hoping for the rapture. This is partially due to the trick spot you have worked into by not calling aliens aliens.

 

[GeeMack]

How bad should a real "John Smith" feel about offer his name to an endeavor?

The real question is who would someone offer mock support to a serious intention?

I'm not sure anyone other than a dyed-in-the-wool UFO nutter would accept it as a serious intention.

Whoever did that is a good 2 rungs below childish.

When I try to go to the petition link I get this..

Phishing Site Blocked

Phishing is a fraudulent attempt to get you to provide
personal information under false pretenses.​

Two rungs below childish? This could get you banned on many forums.

ETA...

I think that those are real usernames and not "mock support," KotA. When I clicked "sign this petition" (I didn't actually go through with it), it asked to access my Facebook. I imagine it also accesses things like Yahoo and MSN names.

Phishing indeed.

 

[King of the Americas]

I think that those are real usernames and not "mock support," KotA. When I clicked "sign this petition" (I didn't actually go through with it), it asked to access my Facebook. I imagine it also accesses things like Yahoo and MSN names. Lots of people have usernames like that.

ETA - but, like I said, people have pretty bad reading comprehension (look at this thread for evidence), and you have the words "god in heaven" in your petition, so I'd guess that most of the support you get will be from Christians hoping for the rapture. This is partially due to the trick spot you have worked into by not calling aliens aliens.

"god(s) of the heavens"...is what the petition says.

Not "G"od of Heaven, Christ, Jesus, Mohammed, or any other specific deity.

In fact, I'd argue that pluralizing god, might well drive believers away...

 

[RoboTimbo]

Congratulations King of the Americas! Which signature do you think will carry more weight for the IOC, "Wet Rabbit," "WeirdUserName" or "hip hop sucks"?

By the way, just skimming the question as you wrote it, I think that you are mostly getting religious people.

I thought "Testing", "Monster Hunter", or "Emo=Dead" had the most credibility until I saw "First Lady 1229422342". If it's good enough for Michelle, it should be good enough for me.

 

[GeeMack]

I thought "Testing", "Monster Hunter", or "Emo=Dead" had the most credibility until I saw "First Lady 1229422342". If it's good enough for Michelle, it should be good enough for me.

That's probably her phone number, too. I bet a direct call to suggest calling the UFOliens into the Olympics would get some results!

 

[Elizabeth I]

What is the skeptical response to this stuff?

People see stuff all the time. The fact that these things may be "unidentified" doesn't mean there is anything out of the ordinary happening. I may see a car speed away and around a corner before I can tell what make it is. That doesn't mean it was a DeLorean, when in the city where I live it is much more likely to have been a Chevy.

How bad should a real "John Smith" feel about offer his name to an endeavor?

The real question is who would someone offer mock support to a serious intention?

Whoever did that is a good 2 rungs below childish.

You do know that "John Smith" is kind of a joke name when people may wish to remain anonymous? Like in the old jokes where a guy signs into a motel with a woman who is not his wife and registers as "John Smith"?

1. I provided three examples (from many available), the other two show more detailed carving.
2. Your contention is that such hard rock could not be carved without advanced technology and yet in the three examples I provided, hard rock has been carved without advanced technology.

This Egyptian andesite jug carved and hollowed out, shows the level of expertise from 2920-2649 BC http://www.christies.com/LotFinder/lot_details.aspx?pos=6&intObjectID=4821472&sid= How could they get a chisel into that and hollow it out without advanced technology?

KotA, please answer Stray Cat's question. Or is it your contention that some sort of laser was used?

By the way, Stray Cat, the andesite jug is definitely more on point for this discussion, but in my opinion isn't in the same ballpark for beauty as this item from the same auction.
How hard is alabaster compared to andesite?

 

[carlitos]

"god(s) of the heavens"...is what the petition says.

Not "G"od of Heaven, Christ, Jesus, Mohammed, or any other specific deity.

In fact, I'd argue that pluralizing god, might well drive believers away...

You missed my point on reading comprehension, thus proving it to be true. Good job.

ETA - so did I when I said god and not gods. I doubt people who are stupid enough to visit a known phishing site have the attention span to critically evaluate the petition they are signing. How many spam emails have you gotten since you registered there?

 

[King of the Americas]

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KotA, please answer Stray Cat's question. Or is it your contention that some sort of laser was used?

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The work was done with hand drills.

 

[Elizabeth I]

The work was done with hand drills.

So - this is a real question, as I'm not aware of how these items are configured - the jug, or for that matter, the alabaster pitcher, is shaped as a rounded object with a cylindrical hole drilled down the middle? Not very useful for holding much, if so.

Are "hand drills" included in your definition of "modern technology"? Because they have been around since the ancient Egyptians. What kind of metal was used to make these drills that could shaped the dreaded andesite? Was the metal beyond the skills of ancient peoples to create?

 

[carlitos]

I apologize if it's been brought up here already, but I think that using quartz (sand) as part of the process was pretty widespread. This negates the "bronze isn't harder than marble/granite/andesite/etc." argument. A wet/dry bronze saw with sand could cut all of these stones, and tools used with sand could carve them. It would take a long time, but the dudes at Puma Punka had a couple of hundred years to kill, so no big deal.

 

[Stray Cat]

A stick, bow, sand, and water can drill a hole in just about anything, given enough time. Square holes on the other hand require a different technique...

What "different" technique would that be?

Maybe drill a series of round holes and then finish it all off straightening up the edges with the chisel or abrasive straight edge?

 

[King of the Americas]

What "different" technique would that be?

Maybe drill a series of round holes and then finish it all off straightening up the edges with the chisel or abrasive straight edge?

Drill me a 3 face corner...and lets compare your corner to those at Puma Punku.

You may use any size drill bit with a carbide tip to save you time. But you have to drill 'stone', and create a 90 angle corner.

I am warning you, 'rounded inner corners' are in your future...