Continuation Part 2 - Discussion of the Amanda Knox case

[Chris_Halkides]

tainted?

Thank you for your reply. Why would him being a possible drug dealer impeach his testimony?

vwgub,

Mr. Curatolo obviously deserves the presumption of innocence. He may indeed be innocent, but if he knew that he were under under investigation in 2007 or 2008, he would have a reason to say things that ILE might want to hear. In other words, he doesn't have to be guilty for one to wonder whether his testimony is tainted by self-interest. The movie The Thin Blue Line has a good example of this.

 

[Kaosium]

Thank you for your reply. Why would him being a possible drug dealer impeach his testimony?

The charge is several years old (2004?)and since then he has testified in two or three murder trials as a witness. Why this charge is being brought to court now is a complete mystery that I can't recall anyone providing an explanation for as of yet.

 

[vwgub]

vwgub,

Mr. Curatolo obviously deserves the presumption of innocence. He may indeed be innocent, but if he knew that he were under under investigation in 2007 or 2008, he would have a reason to say things that ILE might want to hear. In other words, he doesn't have to be guilty for one to wonder whether his testimony is tainted by self-interest. The movie The Thin Blue Line has a good example of this.

Actually even if he is guilty of dealing drugs how does that impeach his testimony in this case.

 

[Chris_Halkides]

cartwheels?

CDHost,

I am not sure that there were any cartwheels. Amanda says that she was doing yoga poses or stretches.

 

[vwgub]

The charge is several years old (2004?)and since then he has testified in two or three murder trials as a witness. Why this charge is being brought to court now is a complete mystery that I can't recall anyone providing an explanation for as of yet.

Because he's under investigation for dealing drugs? And as to why now it sounds like a low priority case.

 

[Poppy1016]

Actually even if he is guilty of dealing drugs how does that impeach his testimony in this case.

I think the bigger question here is if he was under suspicion in 2007, why did it take 3 years to bring charges?

 

[vwgub]

I think the bigger question here is if he was under suspicion in 2007, why did it take 3 years to bring charges?

I don't know why do you think?

 

[CDHost]

CDHost,
I am not sure that there were any cartwheels. Amanda says that she was doing yoga poses or stretches.

I guess I should have phrased that as "alleged cartwheels". I believe the yoga thing too, but the cartwheel is the famous act during that block of time and this was a timeline.... I guess YMMV. Put me down for skeptical about the cartwheel but mostly indifferent if it was yoga or gymnastics.

 

[Poppy1016]

I don't know why do you think?

First of all, I find it very strange that this is the third murder trial he has been involved in. Second, I believe the police knew what he was doing all along. He seems to be a convenient witness that has mysteriously avoided justice, just as RG did before he murdered MK. smells like police informers to me.

 

[komponisto]

vwgub, Curatolo's credibility was nonexistent to begin with, drugs or no drugs. This latest development is just a richly-deserved PR problem for the prosecution, IMO.

 

[vwgub]

First of all, I find it very strange that this is the third murder trial he has been involved in. Second, I believe the police knew what he was doing all along. He seems to be a convenient witness that has mysteriously avoided justice, just as RG did before he murdered MK. smells like police informers to me.

So you think he's a police informer?

 

[Poppy1016]

So you think he's a police informer?

I think it's a good possibility. What are the odds of a witness for the prosecution being involved in three murders. If RG had been prosecuted for his burgularies, MK would still be alive IMO.

 

[vwgub]

I think it's a good possibility. What are the odds of a witness for the prosecution being involved in three murders. If RG had been prosecuted for his burgularies, MK would still be alive IMO.

And you think that one of the people convicted of the murder was also a police informer?

 

[Poppy1016]

And you think that one of the people convicted of the murder was also a police informer?

Yes I do.

 

[Kaosium]

Okay ready the last few page of this thread my only question is.

What are you guys talking about?
How are the points you are bringing up in any way relevant to the question of is Amanda Knox guilty or innocent?

Why do you think I disagree? Oh and by the way this forum does no discuss this case only it discussed a bunch of stuff.

The 'PR campaign' has been cited as the underlying reason for the prosecutor to have appealed the sentences of Amanda and Raffaele. Both families have also had 'slander' suits slapped on them as a result.

 

[Poppy1016]

The 'PR campaign' has been cited as the underlying reason for the prosecutor to have appealed the sentences of Amanda and Raffaele. Both families have also had 'slander' suits slapped on them as a result.

The problem I have is why does Mignini get to slander others with no accountability to anyone.

 

[Kaosium]

And you think that one of the people convicted of the murder was also a police informer?

Rudy had committed a number of break-ins (including being caught in a school with a knife) in the weeks leading up to the murder where the police did not arrest him, thus suggesting to some he might have had a 'special relationship' with the police in Perugia.

Also the police theory of the crime changed when they substituted Rudy Guede for Patrick Lumumba. Whereas Patrick was previously the 'ringleader' that now was Amanda's role, with Rudy's diminished. Unlike Amanda and Raffaele, whose sentences were appealed on the basis of things like Raffaele purportedly 'looking crossly' at someone and Amanda's noise violation, Rudy Guede's sentence was not appealed by the prosecution and could perhaps be out of prison within about five years due to the nature of sentence reductions in the Italian system.

 

[Bruce Fischer]

Thank you for your reply. Why would him being a possible drug dealer impeach his testimony?

A drug conviction is not needed to discredit his testimony. Curatolo was shown to be confused about what days he was talking about. This has been discussed in great detail. With the lifestyle he leads it would be very normal for his days to run together and confusion would certainly not be unusual.

Now let's talk about the drug charge. First of all, he is innocent until proven guilty. I am not here to suggest that I know whether or not he is a drug dealer. If he is convicted it would definitely further damage his credibility. Would you be comfortable with the testimony of a homeless drug dealer if it was your son or daughter on trial?

 

[Justinian2]

I have no idea what Personal Reflections on the Amanda Knox Thread as a Forum Phenomenon was supposed to be about.

Was it:
1.) Personal Reflections on the Amanda Knox Thread
2.) Amanda Knox Thread as a Forum Phenomenon
3.) Personal Reflections as a Forum Phenomenon
4.) Moderator confusion as a Forum Phenomenon

 

[Kaosium]

The problem I have is why does Mignini get to slander others with no accountability to anyone.

Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?--"Who watches the watchmen?"

I can understand the desire to avoid corruption that might result from having political influence brought to bear on the court system, but it appears to me that there's another danger as well. The beauty of democratic forms of government is if the electorate gets sick of the current crop of clowns in charge they can send them to the showers singing 'won't get fooled again.'

That doesn't seem to be an option within the Italian Court system regarding their prosecutors. I once asked Machiavelli who had the power to retire Mignini from this case and it turned out there's just one old guy in Rome who would never do such a thing, at least that's the impression I got.