Merged Discussion of the moon landing "hoax"

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Justinian2 said:
Here's the one I was discussing the most.

http://www.clavius.org/gravleap.html

muscular energy earth = muscular energy moon
mgh (earth) = mgh (moon)

The difference is that g on the moon is 1/6 g on the earth and that m on the moon is 2 times the m on earth (the suits)

Consequently, for the equation to balance, h on the moon has to be three times h on the earth. In other words, a 20 inch jump on earth would have been 60 inches on the moon because the suits weighed 120 pounds.



That's your 'evidence'. However, if the astronauts were not telling the truth about the landing, then they wouldn't tell the truth about that 'jump' either.

The truth is: I never saw any jump > 15 inches or so. I certainly never saw a 60 inch jump.

As far as the other arguments on that site, I never used them as the basis of my belief that we faked the lunar landing; they are not the strongest arguments. They are 'straw men'.

Furthermore, if you visit the Kennedy Space center you can see a movie which talks about the hoax and shows a re-filming of all the important video shots in the 'landings'. They even show the wires attached to the astronauts to simulate the 'jump' to the moon's surface. NASA's explaination was that the old footage was too grainy and they had to re-shoot the footage.
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Has anyone else here seen this movie? I doubt that it exists.
 
Justinian2 said:
That's your 'evidence'. However, if the astronauts were not telling the truth about the landing, then they wouldn't tell the truth about that 'jump' either.
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Go ask Buzz Aldrin if he's lying.

I know what will happen.
 
Justinian2 said:
Furthermore, if you visit the Kennedy Space center you can see a movie which talks about the hoax and shows a re-filming of all the important video shots in the 'landings'. They even show the wires attached to the astronauts to simulate the 'jump' to the moon's surface. NASA's explaination was that the old footage was too grainy and they had to re-shoot the footage.
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See, you keep saying this, but not offering any proof besides 'I went to Kennedy Space Center.'

I don't believe you.
 
What would it take for you to conclude that the moon walks were real?
Is there any specific evidence that, if reputed, would do that?

If you say you already have, it's hard to see in all the posts. So it might be best just to post again what you feel is the most important, that if it could be shown there is more evidence to suggest it is real than faked, would change your mind.
 
Justinian2 said:
... if the astronauts were not telling the truth about the landing, then they wouldn't tell the truth about that 'jump' either.
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Astronauts' personal testimonies are evidence; they would be admissible in court. However, they are far from the only evidence.

And we're still waiting for you to produce any evidence to back up your claims that the landing wasn't possible.

And we're still waiting for you to address the numerous errors of fact you've made.
Justinian2 said:
The truth is: I never saw any jump > 15 inches or so. I certainly never saw a 60 inch jump.
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See the QuickTime movie linked just above this text, which shows such a jump.

You have said you did "research", but, again, your very first claim was wrong, and you could have seen this rather easily.
Justinian2 said:
As far as the other arguments on that site, I never used them as the basis of my belief that we faked the lunar landing; they are not the strongest arguments. They are 'straw men'.
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Now that we've seen the strongest argument - no big jump - shown to be wrong, would you care to address the other issues with your claims?
Justinian2 said:
... Furthermore, if you visit the Kennedy Space center you can see a movie which talks about the hoax and shows a re-filming of all the important video shots in the 'landings'. They even show the wires attached to the astronauts to simulate the 'jump' to the moon's surface. NASA's explaination was that the old footage was too grainy and they had to re-shoot the footage.
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Haven't the faintest idea what you're on about - feel free to provide a name/date for this movie - but in all my time at KSC/CCAFS, working in Hangar S, Hangar AE, the O&C building, VPF, SSPF, OPF, and at Pads 39 A & B, I didn't see it. In any case, re-creations don't look much like the real thing. Certainly not when the real thing goes on for many hours of spans of kilometers.
 
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I was editing my prevous post while you guys were posting.

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=6766377#post6766377

Asking NASA to police themselves is about as good as asking the police to police themselves. If any of you want absolute proof, it will not come. As I have stated, a NASA movie shows the refilming of the moon landing on earth. They said the original footage was 'grainy'. Who can argue? The point is that NAZA had the opportunity. NASA could have covered it up. With the mixed footage, we will never be able to prove anything without a return trip to the moon.
 
Denver said:
What would it take for you to conclude that the moon walks were real?
Is there any specific evidence that, if reputed, would do that?

If you say you already have, it's hard to see in all the posts. So it might be best just to post again what you feel is the most important, that if it could be shown there is more evidence to suggest it is real than faked, would change your mind.
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With the mixed footage of the lunar landing, only a return trip would convince me that the landing was real. When the Chinese land on the moon, they may tell us what we want to know. Or they may lie.
 
Justinian2 said:
I was editing my prevous post while you guys were posting.

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=6766377#post6766377

Asking NASA to police themselves is about as good as asking the police to police themselves. If any of you want absolute proof, it will not come. As I have stated, a NASA movie shows the refilming of the moon landing on earth. They said the original footage was 'grainy'. Who can argue? The point is that NAZA had the opportunity. NASA could have covered it up. With the mixed footage, we will never be able to prove anything without a return trip to the moon.
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So the movie does not exist. I knew it.
 
Denver said:
What would it take for you to conclude that the moon walks were real?
Is there any specific evidence that, if reputed, would do that?

If you say you already have, it's hard to see in all the posts. So it might be best just to post again what you feel is the most important, that if it could be shown there is more evidence to suggest it is real than faked, would change your mind.
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With the mixed footage of the lunar landing, only a return trip would convince me that the landing was real. When the Chinese land on the moon, they may tell us what we want to know. Or they may lie.
 
You think you could jump 20 inches in a suit that barely let you bend your knees?
 
Justinian2 said:
...It would be futile to argue any of your points as you've made up your minds.
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Justinian2 said:
With the mixed footage of the lunar landing, only a return trip would convince me that the landing was real. When the Chinese land on the moon, they may tell us what we want to know. Or they may lie.
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See - we continued to ask for evidence. If presented, we will make new conclusions. And you said we could not present any that would change your mind.

So is it not you who have made up your mind? Aren't your saying arguing with you is futile?
 
dafydd said:
So the movie does not exist. I knew it.
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The movie exists at the Kennedy Space Center.

Look, I don't care if I lose this argument. I'm just trying to tell you what I know about this. I've won enough so that I have no insecurity about winning. If you want to say I've lost, so what?

Has anyone else been to the Kennedy Space Center in the last year?
 
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