Proof of Photomanipulation

DGM said:
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Mobertermy:

This picture is a very good example of what perspective and parallax can do to alter the location and appearance of objects.

Look at the fire truck and the apparent size of the fire and such at the Pentagon. Look at the height of the "Jersey barriers" at the left and right side of the picture.

Objects should look smaller the further back they are, yet the opposite is true (seen).
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Exactly, look how small the white shirt guy is compared to the Chevy blazer which is hundreds of feet behind him in the distance.
 
I can only pray Mobertermy doesn't get a hold of any moon landing images....
 
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I think I found it.
 
Yes, that's it DGM

If we were to draw a line from the signpost by the guardrail on the left side to what you guys claim is TA4, can we say that the man in the white shirt is on the right of that line?
 
Mobertermy said:
Yes, that's it DGM

If we were to draw a line from the signpost by the guardrail on the left side to what you guys claim is TA4, can we say that the man in the white shirt is on the right of that line?
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For a second I thought Mobertermy was going act like an adult and admit he he was wrong.............hope springs eternal :)
 
Mobertermy said:
Yes, that's it DGM

If we were to draw a line from the signpost by the guardrail on the left side to what you guys claim is TA4, can we say that the man in the white shirt is on the right of that line?
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Good morning Moby. I think its time you acknowledged the corrections given to you and withdrew your initial claims.

It's not too late to be a decent human being. All will be forgiven.
 
Mobertermy, please take a look at these two pictures, (the second of which was kindly provided for you by Alienentity), paying particular attention to the lamppost:

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Poleandsign.jpg



Do you see how difficult it is to determine the actual distance between the lamppost and the overhead road sign in the first image?

Please acknowledge this basic issue.
 
Mobertermy said:
If we were to draw a line from the signpost by the guardrail on the left side to what you guys claim is TA4, can we say that the man in the white shirt is on the right of that line?
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Sure, you can say it. It's a free country and all.

The important question -- which I'll pass back along to you -- is, having said it, how might you go about establishing whether it is true or false?

Respectfully,
Myriad
 
D'rok said:
Mobertermy, please take a look at these two pictures, (the second of which was kindly provided for you by Alienentity), paying particular attention to the lamppost:

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[qimg]http://i900.photobucket.com/albums/ac206/alienentity1/Poleandsign.jpg[/qimg]


Do you see how difficult it is to determine the actual distance between the lamppost and the overhead road sign in the first image?

Please acknowledge this basic issue.
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I don't think that post is even in the first picture...........Mobertermy is wrong but I think you are also in this case.

Just checked on google streetview....thats the south east end of the bridge not the southwest.

Also checked for the position of the camera in the first shot. Its likely from too high a vantage point to have been from in or close to the SW cloverleaf loop. Seems the only place high enough would somewhere back up the hill towards the navy annex. You can actually go into streetview almost exactly to where the cab was and look back up the hill and the poles are in the right place for that to be the case (caveat the photos in streetview have their own distortion issues)
 
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Mobertermy said:
Yes, that's it DGM

If we were to draw a line from the signpost by the guardrail on the left side to what you guys claim is TA4, can we say that the man in the white shirt is on the right of that line?
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Why on earth would you bother doing that? The feature is so far off center of sight I can't make any determination.


You do know that the line of sight you attempted in your only attempt is not even in that image? (post #440)
 
I can almost guarantee that, if you were to do the height component of Mobertermy's line of sight diagram, you would find that the aspect ratio is completely different from the picture on which it was based. It would be much wider in reality than in the picture. That would mean that the picture would have to be horizontally compressed and there's just no indication of that.
 
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Cl1mh4224rd said:
I can almost guarantee that, if you were to do the height component of Mobertermy's line of sight diagram, you would find that the aspect ratio is completely different from the picture on which it was based. It would be much wider in reality than in the picture. That would mean that the picture would have to be horizontally compressed and there's just no indication of that.
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Mobertermy attempted to use a cropped image and shoe-horn it into his "theory". The line of sight (your right) is over the top of the cab of the "ka-ka sucker" truck (that's not in his image)
 
Mobertermy said:
Why does the half sign post look exactly where I expect it to be when comparing the pictures?
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Parallax depends on differences in distance. Two objects at nearly the same distance from the camera will show very little parallax, so the half sign doesn't move much compared to the guard rail posts. At least, I think that's the reason; I'm not exactly certain whether the thing I think is the half sign is the same thing you're referring to.

Dave
 
Mobertermy said:
If we were to draw a line from the signpost by the guardrail on the left side to what you guys claim is TA4, can we say that the man in the white shirt is on the right of that line?
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If the man appears to the right of both objects in the photograph, then he must be to the right of the line between them. We still have very little idea how far he is from the camera, though, so he could be anything up to about half way across the bridge.

Dave
 
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