9/11 Bee dunkers are unclear: Did Building 7 crash into other buildings as it fell?

[ergo]

Ooo, ya got me again on the semantics. You're so tricky and clever!!

Steel-framed buildings. None have ever collapsed. Completely. From fire. Before or since 9.11.

 

[TheRedWorm]

Shotgun? How does it work, twoofer?

 

[Thunder]

Ooo, ya got me again on the semantics. You're so tricky and clever!!

Steel-framed buildings. None have ever collapsed. Completely. From fire. Before or since 9.11.

err.......a little 411 for ya:

both towers were hit by fully-fueled 757s.

and the other building had unfought raging fires for hours.

 

[TJM]

Ooo, ya got me again on the semantics. You're so tricky and clever!!

Steel-framed buildings. None have ever collapsed. Completely. From fire. Before or since 9.11.

Fully occupied and operational office buildings. Have never been demolished. With explosives. Before, during, or since 9/11.

 

[Horatius]

Ooo, ya got me again on the semantics. You're so tricky and clever!!

Steel-framed buildings. None have ever collapsed. Completely. From fire. Before or since 9.11.

No no no, you're supposed to restrict it to "high-rise buildings", otherwise we'll point out that you're lying again.

"As an example of the damaging effect of fire on steel, in 1967, the original heavy steel-constructed McCormick Place exhibition hall in Chicago collapsed only 30 minutes after the start of a small electrical fire."

The McCormick Place fire "is significant because it illustrates the fact that steel-frame buildings can collapse as a result of exposure to fire. This is true for all types of construction materials, not only steel." wrote Robert Berhinig, associate manager of UL's Fire Protection Division and a registered professional engineer. He also discusses UL's steel fire certification much more knowledgably than Kevin Ryan. He is an example of one more highly qualified engineer who supports the collapse theory.

 

[ergo]

Roof collapses are not building collapses. Sorry.

And we're off topic.

 

[TheRedWorm]

Shotguns! You've avoided the topic since I first brought it up. Afraid?

 

[ergo]

No idea what you're talking about, RedWorm, and you're probably off topic anyway.

 

[The Platypus]

Ooo, ya got me again on the semantics. You're so tricky and clever!!

Steel-framed buildings. None have ever collapsed. Completely. From fire. Before or since 9.11.

As is typical for drones that recite this old bit of brainwashed rhetoric, they always purposely omit the damage from the commercial airliners crashing and exploding, or the falling debris, or that the fires were not fought. Why leave these out if your not trying to fool people?

Besides, even if it was the "first time", that proves absolutely nothing. Everything has a "first time" it ever happened... so what...

 

[TheRedWorm]

No idea what you're talking about, RedWorm, and you're probably off topic anyway.

You know what I am talking about. Just because you cowardice won't permit you to answer, yet your hubris won't let the question to go unchallenged is not my problem.

 

[Cl1mh4224rd]

Ooo, ya got me again on the semantics. You're so tricky and clever!!

Steel-framed buildings. None have ever collapsed. Completely. From fire. Before or since 9.11.

I hear the strenuous grunts of a child pushing and dragging goal posts emanating from this post...

 

[JohnG]

You're so tricky and clever!!

Only comparatively

 

[ergo]

I hear the strenuous grunts of a child pushing and dragging goal posts emanating from this post...

Right, because the WTC buildings were ... not steel-framed? They .... didn't collapse completely? And the explanation was something other than fire ?? And the time frame we're talking about doesn't include any time prior to or since 9/11?

What goalposts did you think were there?

 

[Cl1mh4224rd]

Right, because the WTC buildings were ... not steel-framed? They .... didn't collapse completely? And the explanation was something other than fire ?? And the time frame we're talking about doesn't include any time prior to or since 9/11?

What goalposts did you think were there?

None, until you pushed them there. That there may be a field where you replanted your goalposts is irrelevant to the fact that the goalposts were not in that location when you started babbling.

You do understand what "moving the goalposts" means, don't you? (Hint: It doesn't mean "saying something factually incorrect".)

 

[The Platypus]

Again he goes with just the "fire" and nothing else...

Keep working the con...

 

[triforcharity]

Ooo, ya got me again on the semantics. You're so tricky and clever!!

Steel-framed buildings. None have ever collapsed. Completely. From fire. Before or since 9.11.

Really?

Kader Toy Factory
We've gone through this before. You keep losing. Why must you continue?

 

[triforcharity]

Yeah? Are they all by you?

Not a single one.

Correction: Tempe has 3, you have 2.

 

[Grizzly Bear]

Buildings don't collapse from fire

Oh.... bless, doesn't this sound familiar?

it's because fire can never harm steel

or this:

quite true, anyone that ever took a science class past the 4th grade level knows that a hydro-carbon fire can and will never harm steel

and who could possibly forgot this gem:

hydro carbon fire, certainly has no affect on steel, as a long time member of the engineering community in the transportaion field, when have you ever seen a car caught on fire or has been burnt on fire?

the steel--chassis-powertrain.steering and suspension all remain whole and intact, despite the fuel tank exploding

you people should be beyond this level or point by now...fire can not and will not harm steel as the wtc saw it


it takes over 4,000 dgerees of consstant and fed temperatures to make steel unstable and this takes numerous hours, over 12 hours in an electric arc, gas or ingot oven.

It's scary how similar the posts are, but probably more tragic than anything. I'd almost be willing to bet he'd believe even the nuttiness, the likes of non-DEW/Deathbeam no-planers that the forum hasn't seen for at least two years... My god...

 

[Corsair 115]

The thread title...

...is a lie.

The cake is a lie as well, according to some graffiti I saw scrawled onto a wall...

 

[Oystein]

...
"Collapsed into its footprint" is easier to say, obviously. And it's true.

As easy to say and as true as "I am the Emperor of China"

Unless you can tell us where the rest of the building vanished to??

The rest of the building "vanished" (that's ergo-english for "ended up clearly visibly in ergo's photos)" on Vesey, Barcley and Washington Streets, West Broadway, and the premises of Verizon, Fiterman, USPO and WTC7. Some of it inside and on top of two of other buildings. Waaaay outside the footprint, iow.