Proof of Photomanipulation

A W Smith said:
good grief i cant believe i wasted 15 minutes of my time wading through this nonsense, What this boils down to is, If a Mobert cant understand parralax, lens angles, telephoto lens foreshortening, Then he rejects our reality, and substitutes his own. Ive been over just about every single photo taken and published of the area of question over 3 years ago. Llloyds taxi stopped at the end of the bridge stone guardwall where the armco rail termination ends, between the left and center lane of the three lane southbound, There is no mystery or "photo manipulation". I can open up Google earth and use the timeline tool to go back to sept 11 2001 , do a screen capture, post it here and clear all this nonsense about the gates up. But it is not worth the bother Mobert because frankly,You are not worth my time.
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Well seeing as you thought it was worth your time to write that paragraph, why do the screen capture from 2001. Nah, your story doesn't add up...I bet you went to the screen shot from '01 and realized it looks absolutely nothing like the Ingersoll photos, so you decided to cop out and say you won't waste your time, even though you say this is all very easy to clear up by doing so. I call BS.
 
Mobertermy said:
Yes, I still maintain that. Why do you think it can't be?
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Okay, I said I wasn't going to come back, but this is too bleeding obvious to pass up.

Go back and have another look at your "Everything Together" slide. We have already established that lightpole A was several degrees out of shot, which is why it can't be seen in the cab and Pentagon photo.

Keep looking at that same slide. Note that TA2 is several degrees further to the right of lightpole A - around 25 degrees from the line of sight from the cab, let alone where the photo was taken from. TA2 was not even close to being in that shot.

Don't leave that slide just yet. Grab a ruler or any straight surface. Now let's adopt a worst case scenario - in other words every factor is stacked in favour of your claim - and assume the photographer was standing a metre or two behind the cab. Align the ruler from the cab towards the Pentagon such that lightpole B is *just* in shot.

Now answer the question: which is the *only* other TA that is now also just in shot?

I rest my case.
 
Mobertermy said:
Well seeing as you thought it was worth your time to write that paragraph, why do the screen capture from 2001. Nah, your story doesn't add up...I bet you went to the screen shot from '01 and realized it looks absolutely nothing like the Ingersoll photos, so you decided to cop out and say you won't waste your time, even though you say this is all very easy to clear up by doing so. I call BS.
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well I call moron, If you did sixty seconds of research you would actually find the gates are numbered, Answer me this genius, What are you calling gate number 35? number 36? number 37? number 38? number 39? Those are the gates that appear in your photos, Ill give you a hint, Gate number 35 is directly under the sign catenary, and the numbers go up from there heading north, now go ahead, Do your own ***** work.
 
DGM said:
Because all photos show the cab very close to the bridge.
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See that TA there...it is TA2...it can't be TA3 because you can see if the cab were moved a few feet to the right it would be past the overhead sig. Cab is between TA2 and TA3. Is that clear yet?
 
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Mobertermy said:
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yeah no **** Sherlock because your looking north through a telephoto lens, The cab is a lane and a half away from the end of stone wall which is directly west. gate number 36 is lined up with the nose of the cab and you can see the mechanism in some photos which looks somewhat like the rear end of a utility truck. but it aint, gates 37 and 38 appear behind the cab in some photos looking north,
 
A W Smith said:
well I call moron, If you did sixty seconds of research you would actually find the gates are numbered, Answer me this genius, What are you calling gate number 35? number 36? number 37? number 38? number 39? Those are the gates that appear in your photos, Ill give you a hint, Gate number 35 is directly under the sign catenary, and the numbers go up from there heading north, now go ahead, Do your own ***** work.
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If by "catenary" you mean the overhead sign then gate number 35 would be TA2 (assuming you are correct about the numbering and location.)
 
DGM said:
I rest my case.

I see you reconsidered the "stone wall". Your right that was far too stupid. This one only shows you have no clue


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So you are sayig the TA in post #245 is TA2.

(And I never said anythig about the stone wall, other than that there has been debate about it).

So it's TA2 there?
 
Moberterny, on addition to my earlier, thus far ignored suggestions, I'd strongly suggest that you refer to the "TAs" using their now-known actual numbers. I'm sure if you asked AW Smith, he'd tell you where to find them.
 
Mobertermy said:
So you are sayig the TA in post #245 is TA2.

(And I never said anythig about the stone wall, other than that there has been debate about it).

So it's TA2 there?
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TA2 is still under (slightly south) of the sign. TA3 is next to the cab (I can't see it in that picture)
 
Mobertermy said:
If by "catenary" you mean the overhead sign then gate number 35 would be TA2 (assuming you are correct about the numbering and location.)
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assuming? Good grief man, All you need to do is a street view and you can practically jump on the gate control boxes to see their numbers, Go back to 1999 or 2002 for hi res and you can see a whole row of gate mechanisms buried in the wide concrete median about every 100 feet, Llloyds cab is about 80 feet north of the sign catenary
 
A W Smith said:
assuming? Good grief man, All you need to do is a street view and you can practically jump on the gate control boxes to see their numbers, Go back to 1999 or 2002 for hi res and you can see a whole row of gate mechanisms buried in the wide concrete median about every 100 feet, Llloyds cab is about 80 feet north of the sign catenary
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I think he realizes he's got it badly wrong and it attempting to delay the inevitable by asking question after pointless question... Even his own mapping of the layout in his slideshow invalidates his claim - talk about footgun.
 
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DGM said:
I saw the photo you posted first (before edit) with the "missing stonewall" captions.

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yeah I saw that too LOL. Lloyds cab is right at the south end of the bridge span, Theres an acceleration lane that blends into the traffic lane on the bridge itself, Its really wide alongside Lloyds cab, And Lloyds cab is into the center lane, You take a telephoto shot north and you wont see the stone wall behind the tree that's top was clipped by flight 77, just the steel armco rail. And there's so many of those gates he's lost. There is a gate every hundred feet in that HOV barrier alone. Not including the other barrier with gates on 100 foot centers the east wall of the HOV lane.
 
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