Health care - administrative incompetence

TFian said:
It is.
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How is that like the S Africa situation?

The UK's NHS doesn't withdraw funding for getting private care any more, btw.

And how, even if it still did, would that be worse than the 20K lives in the US lost to lack of private insurance?
 
kellyb said:
How is that like the S Africa situation?
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Because the government chooses who lives or dies.

kellyb said:
And how, even if it still did, would that be worse than the 20K lives in the US lost to lack of private insurance?
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Why did they die? Who chose them to die? If the numbers are true, , I want to know *why* they died. I don't like the government chooses who lives or dies.
 
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Because the government chooses who lives or dies.
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Our gov laws about how to deal with insurance companies already determine who lives and dies. The insurance companies refusing to pay regularly kills folks.

Why did they die?
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Bookitty's mother in law died because the insurance company refused to treat her treatable (not just "life extending" by a matter of weeks or months, but cureable) cervical cancer. Stuff like that.
 
kellyb said:
Our gov laws about how to deal with insurance companies already determine who lives and dies. The insurance companies refusing to pay regularly kills folks.
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Why wouldn't they pay up the difference themselves?


kellyb said:
Bookitty's mother in law died because the insurance company refused to treat her treatable (not just "life extending" by a matter of weeks or months, but cureable) cervical cancer. Stuff like that.
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So? Why did she expect others to pay for her own treatment?
 
TFian said:
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So? Why did she expect others to pay for her own treatment?
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She did, with all the premiums she paid to the insurance. That's supposedly what insurance is for...

And what do we pay insurance for anyway, if the money is simply gone when we have medical expenses?
 
TFian said:
I don't like the government chooses who lives or dies.
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HMO/insurance employees do it every day. Do you get to vote on how they choose to ration?

The way we ration care makes no sense. Insurance/HMOs deny treatments that literally restores people to health and lets them die instead, whereas under democratic UHC systems, only treatments that prolong the death process by a few weeks or months are not covered.
 
According to the FDA approved use of lapatinib, Nikki Blundel woudn't have qualified for the drug in the US either.

Do you think that the fact that she was pre-menopausal would have had her claim for the drug denied under private insurance plans?

Remember, she is from Dagenham and her husband is a fork-lift operator, so I wouldn't assume she would have a 'Cadillac' insurance plan (if they had one at all).

http://www.fda.gov/NewsEvents/Newsroom/PressAnnouncements/ucm199374.htm

FDA Expands Use of Approved Breast Cancer Drug

Provides oral regime for hormone positive and HER2-positive advanced breast cancer

The U.S. Food and Drug Administration today approved Tykerb (lapatinib) in combination with Femara (letrozole) to treat hormone positive and HER2-positive advanced breast cancer in postmenopausal women for whom hormonal therapy is indicated.
 
TFian said:
Why wouldn't they pay up the difference themselves?




So? Why did she expect others to pay for her own treatment?
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She didn't. That's why she paid for insurance. When she was diagnosed with cancer, the insurance company called it a pre-existing condition and dropped her. It took time before she had disability/COBRA/medicaid sorted out. Then she got treatment. Of course it was stage IV when it was diagnosed so basically she died.

As for the UK cancer patient. That is sad, too.

So some UK cancer patients don't get a drug that will extend their life for 6 months. That sucks, it really does. But how many children in the UK are uninsured, under-insured or don't have access to medical care? Zero. Compared to 11 million in the US.
 
kellyb said:
HMO/insurance employees do it every day. Do you get to vote on how they choose to ration?

The way we ration care makes no sense. Insurance/HMOs deny treatments that literally restores people to health and lets them die instead, whereas under democratic UHC systems, only treatments that prolong the death process by a few weeks or months are not covered.
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Tell that to South Africa.
 
TFian said:
Why wouldn't they pay up the difference themselves?




So? Why did she expect others to pay for her own treatment?
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Why did that Daily Fail grandma chick not do what you're suggesting?
 
TFian said:
I'm sure she was. Either that or she tried to defraud the insurance company.
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An asspull then. Insurance companies in the US are for-profit, that means they are almost obligated to defraud policyholders to enrich stockholders.
 
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