Why is there so much crackpot physics?

So aren't you sort of proving my point that that educational background and/or one's credentials are pretty much irrelevant?

Credentials are not so relevant. What's relevant is EVIDENCE -- and that's what I wan to see you and other "cranks" here address. The point you need to understand is this: if you can't explain the EVIDENCE for conventionally-accepted theory, then why should your theory be accepted? From what I can tell, your theory seems to be based on doing away with evidence -- ignoring all the evidence for plate tectonics, stellar fusion, Big Bang, and so on... Not trying to explain it, just flat out ignoring it. What you need is a theory that can a) consistently explain all this evidence and b) make new predictions that would enable its confirmation or negation. So far, I have not seen such theory.
 
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No, I can not. Can you describe the process by which "neutrinos" are detected?

Roughly. You have vast, underground detectors that are capable of picking up the light that would be emitted if a neutrino hit an electron. You fill these caverns with pure water, line them with detectors. They have to be huge since neutrinos interact very weakly. They have to be underground so that noise from cosmic rays can be reduced to a tolerable level.
 
The fact that someone who has studied a lot can still be wrong on the edges of science, is all the more reason to be suspicious of someone who hasn't studied at all or just studied very little.

Ok, I 've read Alven's book Cosmic Plasma and *AT LEAST* three dozen papers on his application of MHD theory to objects in space. Which of the *CRITICS* of PC theory can make that same claim? Alfven himself won a Nobel Prize in MHD theory. Which of his critics can make that same claim? I will have a lot less "suspicion" of anyone that can say say yes to the first part, and less toward anyone with a Nobel Prize that actually criticizes his work.

That said, the guy who has studied a lot and done a lot of professional work is very, very likely to know what they are talking about for the vast majority of topics in their field. The edges of science are always a treacherous area in this way; that's the nature of discovery.

That's why I personally have a lot of confidence in Alfven's abilities as it relates to plasma physics. I know he understood *THAT PARTICULAR* topic very well. I don't even know how many of his "critics" have even bothered to read his whole book!
 
That's why I personally have a lot of confidence in Alfven's abilities as it relates to plasma physics. I know he understood *THAT PARTICULAR* topic very well. I don't even know how many of his "critics" have even bothered to read his whole book!

Perhaps, but what about his abilities as it relates to COSMOLOGY?
 
Care to discuss Alfven's use of the term "circuit" (in the other thread of course) or do you indent to keep running from that question indefinitely?


My previous comment, in full, applies to this complaint.

Clearly if someone makes a claim as stupid and unsupportable as, say, the moon is made of cheese, there's no reason to get into a discussion about the cheese making process, how much rennet, aging for how long, and how to handle the whey. If the claim is so unsupportably stupid, and the claimant has nothing but bald assertions and lies to back it, I see no reason to entertain their apparently desperate desire to talk all sciency and indulge the fantasy they have about actually participating in real science. With crackpots the whole thing is so far below real science it never needs to go there. If the crackpots don't even understand grade school science, it's surely not going to do them any good to talk about college level science, the persistent and uncivil complaints of those very crackpots notwithstanding.
 
Perhaps, but what about his abilities as it relates to COSMOLOGY?

Well, Cosmic Plasma pretty much lays out the whole theory, bottom to top, from the small to the large. How many of the critics of his work can even claim to have read his book on the topic of Cosmology?
 
have you studied physics at the college level?

What does that even mean? There are no "levels" of physics, it's not a secret society, or a Dungeons and Dragons game.

On a related note, I'll quote Al Gore, from Futurama:

"I'm a tenth level Vice President!"
 
Ok, I 've read Alven's book Cosmic Plasma and *AT LEAST* three dozen papers on his application of MHD theory to objects in space. Which of the *CRITICS* of PC theory can make that same claim? Alfven himself won a Nobel Prize in MHD theory. Which of his critics can make that same claim? I will have a lot less "suspicion" of anyone that can say say yes to the first part, and less toward anyone with a Nobel Prize that actually criticizes his work.

Frankly, I doubt you understood the math behind the work based on what you've said in this thread.

That's why I personally have a lot of confidence in Alfven's abilities as it relates to plasma physics. I know he understood *THAT PARTICULAR* topic very well. I don't even know how many of his "critics" have even bothered to read his whole book!

Do people today need to read books on the Liminiferous Ether? No. Old, disproven theories don't have to be studied in detail to discount them. His work can't explain Cosmic Background Radiation and other things that have been observed. Yes, he understood Plasma Physics, but that doesn't mean he understood Astrophysics very well or every possible application of Plasma Physics. Again, the edges of science are prone to error.
 
Well, Cosmic Plasma pretty much lays out the whole theory, bottom to top, from the small to the large. How many of the critics of his work can even claim to have read his book on the topic of Cosmology?

You said that his extensive studies and professional work in the area of plasma physics was good reason to trust him in that area. But if he hadn't done similarly extensive studies and work in the area of cosmology, then the argument does not carry over.

See?
 
I am curious: What do you suppose drives crackpot physics and cosmology? They do not seem to be very knowledgeable about physics and cosmology, other than having mastered a lot of jargon. They seem to be quite ignorant of mathematics. Yet they seem to be passionate to an extreme about their views -- to the point of behaving like religious zealots. How can they possibly believe tens of thousands of specialists (many quite brilliant) are all wrong, but somehow (although they lack the education) they have stumbled on the truth?
What do they gain out of this avocation? Appearing wise to their friends and relatives and the uninformed at cocktail parties? Are they delusional narcissists? Do they hold myriad other unorthodox opinions about he world (like, say, political conspiracy theories and Internet driven puffery)?
Any opinions?
In addition to physics and cosmology being about The Rules (as was pointed out very early in this thread), there's another fundamental attitude that is in play.

Physics has been quantitative since at least the time of Galileo, certainly Newton. One thing that follows from this is that if you, personally, don't have a good handle on quantitative, then you will not ever be able to understand physics very well. But if you find that you cannot quiet the inner voices which keep on insisting that knowing The Rules is crucial to your happiness, you will be driven to work out what The Rules are for yourself ... and as you cannot understand physics, you will have no choice but to denounce it (and you will never be able to stop yourself devoting most of your waking hours to this impossible task).

(Of course, there are people who are crackpot about physics who do do quantitative, but they will likely fairly quickly get tired of this section of JREF, will write up their ideas, and find somewhere to publish them).

One interesting thing: the 'don't do quantitative' physics crackpots get extremely touchy when there's mention of similarities between the way they present their ideas and with religion ... and yet notice how often 'belief' ('believe', etc) features in their writing; notice the huge use of what looks like 'what the Lord God {X} wrote is the Truth, every word of it' (where X might be Birkeland, for example, or Alfven) - the search for quotes, the twisting of words to suit the belief, etc. Too, much of the criticism of 'the mainstream' (or whatever) is couched in religious terms ('deities', 'dogma', and so on) - and to many a crackpot no doubt it does seem just like this (try making sense of a university physics textbook if all the equations were replaced by random text strings!).

It's rather sad really; just think how many wonderful things could be done if all that passion and energy had been devoted to something practical!
 
Frankly, I doubt you understood the math behind the work based on what you've said in this thread.

Would it matter? Is there a problem in it somewhere that you'd like to point out for us? I certainly understand the work *THEORETICALLY* and that is at least equally important in this case, perhaps even more so.

Do people today need to read books on the Liminiferous Ether? No. Old, disproven theories don't have to be studied in detail to discount them.

Yet "dark energy" theory *SMACKS* of aether theory.

His work can't explain Cosmic Background Radiation and other things that have been observed.

How do you know? Have you *TRIED* or are you just "assuming"?

Yes, he understood Plasma Physics, but that doesn't mean he understood Astrophysics very well or every possible application of Plasma Physics. Again, the edges of science are prone to error.

Sorry but you'll have to explain how that's even relevant considering the fact that 95+% of the universe is "plasma"?
 
Is your unwillingness to discuss your background in MDH theory any less 'defensive" in your mind somehow? Do you have a Nobel Prize in MHD theory sitting on a shelf somewhere that I should know about?

I am quite willing to discuss my educational background and have done so when there has been a specific purpose -- in other threads. If you are not willing to do so -- OK -- I understand.;)
 

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