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Net Neutrality Explained

I support net neutrality and think Comcast should be prevented from doing this, but they aren't really a monopoly. There are other choices you have to get cable, internet, phone, etc. There's Verizon, DirecTV, etc.

What they need to do is force companies to share those last miles into the home. That's the valuable bit.
 
I support net neutrality and think Comcast should be prevented from doing this, but they aren't really a monopoly. There are other choices you have to get cable, internet, phone, etc. There's Verizon, DirecTV, etc.

What they need to do is force companies to share those last miles into the home. That's the valuable bit.

Depending on where you are of course. Many places have very few choices. And really on the consumer end their choice does not matter. Netflix is not going to charge extra to people who view streaming content over comcast, they will just jack up everyone's prices. The only way it would become an issue would be if they blocked content, and that has played very poorly for cable companies when they did it with TV channels.
 
You don't get it. The companies that laid all that fiber optic cable did so in most cases by being granted a monopoly by the government. You see, the government can't have 100 different companies laying network cable under the same streets. There simply isn't enough physical space for it, and nobody wants to sit through never-ending road construction because every time some company needs to lay down or repair or upgrade network cables the street needs to be torn up.

So the government awards the contract to one single company, to avoid the above problems. But then other companies, like Comcast, decided to buy up all these other local companies that had laid cable. And now Comcast is huge, and they don't want to be just a company that rents out use of their cables, they want to vertically integrate. And they want to use their monopoly over the cables to drive their competition out of business, and charge people more money for less service.

This is why we need net neutrality. f you are really a free-market capitalist, you will be in favor of net neutrality. If you want government-granted monopolies to be able to use their monopoly power to stifle competition by pricing them out of whatever business said company decides to enter next, then killing net neutrality is the choice for you.

Did you reply to the right post? :confused:
 
Did you reply to the right post? :confused:

Maybe your post was a bit ambiguous but I get what you mean and I agree. But on the topic of government regulation, I think Net Neutrality is regulation in the same way that making everyone use the same currency is. It's not a loss of freedom, it's simply laying down the rules of society so we can do our capitalist bests with our innovation.

Again, I think the simplest way to describe it is:

All content broadcast across the internet is treated the same by ISPs, regardless of content, data type, or origin.
 
Did you reply to the right post? :confused:
Sorry NB, I didn't mean to imply you were against net neutrality. I was just responding to the notion that net neutrality is government regulation of the internet, when in reality it's just a firewall between a monopoly and the free market.
 
I support net neutrality and think Comcast should be prevented from doing this, but they aren't really a monopoly. There are other choices you have to get cable, internet, phone, etc. There's Verizon, DirecTV, etc.
I totally disagree with you here. The technologies are completely different. This is like saying a railroad doesn't have a monopoly, because you could always send your cargo by donkey or courier instead.
What they need to do is force companies to share those last miles into the home. That's the valuable bit.
Exactly. The idea resolution, imho, would be to have the grid owned and maintained by the government (like roads or pretty much any other kind of infrastructure.) ISPs compete to deliver bits as fast and cheap as possible on a public infrastructure.

I'd also like to see a lot of these vertically integrated media companies busted up into their constituent markets.
 
it's just a firewall between a monopoly and the free market.
And a government granted monopoly at that!

Isn't it nice to have a subject libertarians, conservatives, and bleeding hearts like myself can agree on? ;)
 
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Isn't it nice to have a subject libertarians, conservatives, and bleeding hearts like myself can agree on? ;)
That's how it should be. If there was ever an apolitical topic, this is it.

As I said, if you are against Network Neutrality, you probably don't know what it is. ...or you own a lot of stock in a company that is in a position to take advantage of a lack of formalized Network Neutrality.
 
Ugh. This recent revelation about Comcast leaning on competing cable modem manufacturers reminds me of AT&T forcing people to rent phones before they were broken up.

The parallels to old monopolies are so obvious.
 
Wireless is looking like the way to go with companies like Clear on a 4g network. Screw Comcast
 
Delivering down a pipe is still a LOT faster than wireless, and a lot of these problems are already rearing their ugly head with Verizon and AT&T. I don't think we can count on wireless to get us out of this mess.
 
No. wireless is not ready for prime time. Basically 56k modem speed, if you get a signal at all. Maybe out in the boondocks it works well.
 
And in other news today, transportation giant TransCast, owner of approximately 20% of all toll bridges, toll roads and ferries has announced that it will require Wal-Mart to pay a nominal fee for every user that drives over its transportation systems while travelling to or from a Wal-Mart store. When asked for comment, the CEO of Wal-Mart said that, "we really don't have any other choice but to pay it. Many of our customers live in areas that are served predominately by TransCast. In fact, some of our customers live in cities where the city itself has given TransCast a complete monopoly over the transportation infrastructure."

The CEO of TransCast has argued that this is a fair request. "People travelling to or from Wal-Mart stores are approximately 20% of our entire through-put, " the CEO of TransCast told us in an exclusive interview. "We've had to spend a great deal of money on upgrades to our infrastructure to keep up with the growing demand at Wal-Mart Stores. It's only fair that Wal-Mart pay it's share of the cost".

When asked about TransCast's plans to start its own discount supermart store, the CEO of Transcast declined to comment.
 
Very interesting and apt analogy, Newtons Bit.

I have one suggestion:
And in other news today, transportation giant Wal-mart, owner of approximately 20% of all toll bridges, toll roads and ferries has announced that it will require Target to pay a nominal fee for every user that drives over its transportation systems while travelling to or from a Target store.
When asked about Wal-mart's plans to buy-out Macy's, the CEO of Wal-mart declined to comment.

:D

Comcast is already a much bigger media giant than Netflix, and it's only going to get bigger.
 
At one time railroads were how everybody and everything traveled.

Some railroads, which had a natural monopoly over some routes due to being there first, and there not being other good paths through the terrain, were controlled by people who also owned oil companies. And they set the tariffs on competing oil companies so high that they stifled competition. Out of this was born the Interstate Commerce Commission and the concept of a "common carrier" which would transport a particular class of goods at the same price for everybody.

Comcast has a natural monopoly because of limited space on telephone poles and utility troughs. It is also a video company with a stake in delivering PPV content. It has just set the rates on a competitor higher than the rates it charges it's video delivery division.

I think you can see the similarities.
 
At one time railroads were how everybody and everything traveled.

Some railroads, which had a natural monopoly over some routes due to being there first, and there not being other good paths through the terrain, were controlled by people who also owned oil companies. And they set the tariffs on competing oil companies so high that they stifled competition. Out of this was born the Interstate Commerce Commission and the concept of a "common carrier" which would transport a particular class of goods at the same price for everybody.
The ICC was a typical liberal knew jerk reaction. The correct solution would be to wait for either plate tectonics or erosion to enable other paths through the terrain thereby allowing competition, aka the free market, to surface a solution instead of the socialistic, sexual groping, hands of government.
 
So far, we've made analogies to railroads, phone companies, and movie studios. The Sherman Anti-trust Act was invoked in all three. Why isn't it being used now?
 

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