The Great Thermate Debate

[superlogicalthinker]

Yes you did claim that.

Claim what exactly? No fires in the debris, sorry but you twisted that one pretty good. I saying there is evidence that points to some sort of thermitic reation that formed a eutectic mixture, Nevwer mentioned debris.

Have anyof you seen the Building What commercial. Explain the windows being blown outward, was that fire too?

 

[excaza]

Claim what exactly? No fires in the debris, sorry but you twisted that one pretty good. I saying there is evidence that points to some sort of thermitic reation that formed a eutectic mixture, Nevwer mentioned debris.

Except there's no melted steel, which rules out therm*te.

 

[superlogicalthinker]

Except there's no melted steel, which rules out therm*te.

Hmmmmm, NASA images contridict your statment. They show pictures of surface temps approx 2000F, which idicates higher temps under the pile.

are you new at this?

 

[excaza]

Hmmmmm, NASA images contridict your statment. They show pictures of surface temps approx 2000F, which idicates higher temps under the pile.

are you new at this?

Melting point of steel is 2500 F. Ignoring that, it's wonderful that there's thermal imaging. Why can't you provide images of melted steel? Are you new at this?

 

[NutCracker]

Claim what exactly?

Let me help you:

I'm curious?????......If a thermitic reation did not cause the swiss cheese like, paper scroll curled, gaping holed, sulfidized steel........then what could, and don't give me that diels fuel tank BS.

LMAO!!

Melting from therm?te would leave glaring evidence of extremely high temperatures in the form of resolidified metal and slag.

So it must have been something else.

Something else?? Like what? I guess you haven't seen the dozens of videos out there that show this fuse element that you speak of.

 

[superlogicalthinker]

Let me help you:

So, have you seen the fused element of steel and concrete? Fused means it in now one component that was formerly two, in case you need to know.

 

[superlogicalthinker]

Melting point of steel is 2500 F. Ignoring that, it's wonderful that there's thermal imaging. Why can't you provide images of melted steel? Are you new at this?

There are all kinds of pictures of molten steel at the debris site, along with witness testimony.

You are new at this. LMAO!

 

[triforcharity]

And what would cause the 1000C temp.? If you say fire, I will have to take a break for a laughing session.

Fire can, and will, reach 1,000 deg. C quite easily. That fact that you think otherwise, is retarded, and an argument from personal ignorance.

 

[excaza]

There are all kinds of pictures of molten steel at the debris site, along with witness testimony.

You are new at this. LMAO!

No there isn't. There's a bunch of pictures and testimony of molten metal, and no evidence of temperatures sufficient to melt steel.

 

[triforcharity]

"Nobody has outlined a mechanism by which a thermite reaction could have produced this exact morphology of material."

Right! Including NIST. They were asked to further investigate the piece of steel, but passed it over for a computer model, that spit out all the right answers LMAO!

Wrong.

NIST examined the steel, determined that it did not cause the collapse, and was not a factor in the collapse itself. They ruled that out due to the fact that this reaction took days. Not hours.

WPI examined the steel, did the tests, and published their results.

 

[NutCracker]

So, have you seen the fused element of steel and concrete? Fused means it in now one component that was formerly two, in case you need to know.

Look, you implicitally claimed no other mechanism but therrm*te could be responsable for the observed phenomenum. You where asked to prove that claim. You dodged and continue to dodge.

And the 'fused element' is supposed to be proof of what?

 

[triforcharity]

Oh no....tell me then, who does the scientific testing in a major catastrophy then, where thousands die? Us the people, or selected branches of the government? Like your buddies at NIST

STFU. Are you telling me that THOUSANDS of people died in the collapse and subsequent fires in 7WTC? No way.........WHERE?!?!?!?

 

[triforcharity]

So you think fire can reach a temperature of 2000f when thick black smoke is present? LMAO!

1,000 deg. C is 2,000 deg. F? (please say yes)

What does the black smoke prove? What does black smoke have anything to do with the temperature of a fire?

 

[Dave Rogers]

There are all kinds of pictures of molten steel at the debris site,

No. If there were, you'd be able to show them to us.

Dave

 

[Grizzly Bear]

Last I checked, smoke color indicates burn efficiency and materials, not temperature. Take for example something called "black fire" which sometimes indicates flashover conditions are possible:

It is reported on one website as 'Black Fire - This term has only recently been officially recognized. This describes a situation where HEAVY, dense, black smoke is being emitted by a fire. This smoke will be of high velocity, turbulent, high volume and extremely dense. It will also be hot. For all practical purposes this is a dense, superheated, cloud of fuel that is too rich to ignite. This smoke may be doing as much damage as fire. It can also be a sign of eminent' flashover

 

[Horatius]

Show me where I said that

And what would cause the 1000C temp.? If you say fire, I will have to take a break for a laughing session.

Ta-Da!

 

[MikeW]

Hmmmmm, NASA images contridict your statment. They show pictures of surface temps approx 2000F, which idicates higher temps under the pile.

Images of the World Trade Center Site Show Thermal Hot Spots on September 16 and 23, 2001.

...AVIRIS records the near-infrared signature of heat remotely. The accompanying maps are false color images that show the core affected area around the World Trade Center. Initial analysis of these data revealed a number of thermal hot spots on September 16 in the region where the buildings collapsed 5 days earlier. Analysis of the data indicates temperatures greater than 800oF. Over 3 dozen hot spots appear in the core zone. By September 23, only 4, or possibly 5, hot spots are apparent, with temperatures cooler than those on September 16...
http://pubs.usgs.gov/of/2001/ofr-01-0405/ofr-01-0405.html

No sign of molten steel-type temperatures here, and certainly not ones lasting for months.

ETA: This page analyses the results and gives us higher temperatures, a maximum of 1020 Kelvin/ 1346F in one place, but that's still some distance from 2000F, and these temperatures don't persist for long.

 

[superlogicalthinker]

1,000 deg. C is 2,000 deg. F? (please say yes)

What does the black smoke prove? What does black smoke have anything to do with the temperature of a fire?

Black smoke indicates an oxygen starved fire. C'mon dude. You must be confused with the aluminum oxide type, white smoke at the base of the towers just before the collapse.

Black smoke means cooling temperatures, as the fire does not have enough oxygen to progress in heat.

Ta Da!

 

[twinstead]

Yea, is this a thermate debate? Perhaps. Is it a great thermate debate? Not a chance. It's not even a good thermate debate. We may as well be having the Great Tooth Fairy Debate.

 

[superlogicalthinker]

Images of the World Trade Center Site Show Thermal Hot Spots on September 16 and 23, 2001.



No sign of molten steel-type temperatures here, and certainly not ones lasting for months.

ETA: This page analyses the results and gives us higher temperatures, a maximum of 1020 Kelvin/ 1346F in one place, but that's still some distance from 2000F, and these temperatures don't persist for long.

"No sign of molten steel-type temperatures here, and certainly not ones lasting for months."

No?....So if the surface temp was APPROX.(NOTE THAT WORD) 2000F which is about 1000C, how hot do you think they would be under the debris?

Much much hotter, which would put us close to molten steel, are you deniying the molten metal? You have seen it pouring out of the south towwer right? Oh yeah, just because NIST said it was "probably" aluminum, it must be, without even testing for it.

"halfed baked farce"