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Tony Gauci and the mystery shopper

Well, to be fair to Mr Gauci, perhaps memory becomes a little less confident, showing now to be somewhat vague and circumspect when the small matter of $3m is at stake. That is an improvement, given his initial recollection does not support the prosecutions assertion whatsoever. And as Vincent Vassallo testified, DCI Bell seems to certainly have had a penchant for financial inducement as a procedure for the witnesses memory to "improve" over the years from 1989 to 2000.
 
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Well, to be fair to Mr Gauci, perhaps memory becomes a little less confident, showing now to be somewhat vague and circumspect when the small matter of $3m is at stake. That is an improvement, given his initial recollection does not support the prosecutions assertion whatsoever. And as Vincent Vassallo testified, DCI Bell seems to certainly have had a penchant for financial inducement as a procedure for the witnesses memory to "improve" over the years from 1989 to 2000.

I'm trying not to let that issue side-track things or even to bring it up, but I'll be darned if a cash prize, which it was decided would be contingent on a verdict against Megrahi, was likely at work behind the scenes in Tony's head. Because at the same time, he delivered conviction-enabling memory changes one after another. 6 foot plus becomes under 6 feet. 50 years old become under 60, well under. No holiday lights becomes maybe, they were partly up, can't recall. Umbrella rain becomes a few drops, which still conflicts with the records for 7 December, BTW. Big build, too big for a 42 size becomes middling build.

But this aside, I'd be happy to hear Bunntamas' thoughts now that she realizes that, in the repeated re-hashings of Tony's evidence she refers to, she has until now completely missed that there are such discrepancies to be concerned with.
 
What I think would be valuable is as complete a look as possible at what Tony said about the purchaser between September 1989 (when he was first interviewed and provided an impressive amount of detail) and February 1991, when he picked the "Czech photo" out of the photospread, but apparently merely as the picture which looked most like the purchaser of the ones shown to him on that occasion.

That's a lot of interviewing and a lot of information. Does it stand up as a likely or probable idenification of Megrahi?

Once we've got that clear, then perhaps it might be time to move on to what Tony said in 1999-2000, and how it differs from his earlier statements.

Then, I believe it would be appropriate to ask, if there is a difference between what he said in 2000 and what he said in 1989 to 1991, which is more reliable? And what might be the reasons for his story changing?

But first, we really have to concentrate on Tony's initial statements, which he himself said were clearer and more reliable than his recollection in 2000.

Rolfe.
 
Oops, apologies. I thought everyone was in general agreement that Gauci's memory of the sale, nine months after it had occurred, would be considerably more reliable than any recollection made 11 years later. Therefore, his description of the buyer and the date that the sale actually occurred, was considerably more dependable in 1989 than at Zeist in 2000.

So, the question is why would someone 11 years after the fact appear so vague and contradictory from the initial statements given to investigators? Well, as would be expected of anyone, and has been mentioned already, a number of factors would be influential not least the time elapsed would inevitably result in a notably poorer memory of the details in question. This could be a quite reasonable explanation for Gauci's contradictions between statements made in 1989 and his appearance at Zeist in 2000. As could a number of other factors including the lure of a significant financial reward. So, as a response the original question posed:
Bunntamas said:
If you were asked to describe the proprietor's height, weight, physical description in detail, a decade or more later, how do you think you would do with said description, as regards accuracy, whist sitting in front of government officials from numerous international venues, and / or whilst on the witness stand during an international trial for the murder of 270 innocents?

In these circumstances, I presumed everyone was now in agreement that it would be adversely limited and far more unreliable than any descriptions and statements made 9 months after the actual event. As quite evidently Gauci was when we compare his initial description of the purchaser of the clothing to his testimony and 'identification' of Megrahi at Zeist.

Therefore, this assertion
Bunntamas said:
In my opinion, Gauci did a very good job of describing the purchaser, more than a decade after the events..
is discredited, as Gauci's testimony and description of date and buyer at Zeist, which we all concede is more likely to be unreliable, is in direct contradiction to the statements of date and buyer made in September 1989. And these descriptions of date of purchase and identity of purchaser do not match Megrahi nor on a date he was on Malta.
 
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It's just a suggestion, but could we for the moment drop any reference to what Tony said at Zeist, with the possible exception of his agreeing that his memory of the sale was better in 1989 than in 2000, and that in 1989 he "told [the police] everything exactly."

What did he say in 1989 (through to the 1991 photospread interview), about the appearance of the purchaser? Could we just concentrate on that for the moment?

Rolfe.
 
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Here's at least the important highlights of the identification process.

In 1988 Megrahi was 36 years old, 5 feet 8 inches tall and looked like this (the Abdusamad photo, which seems to be a reasonable likeness when compared to other photos we have).

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Tony's original description of the purchaser was given on 1st September 1989, the day he met the Scottish police for the first time, and first realised he might have information of interest to some inquiry or other.

  • Six feet or more in height
  • Big chest
  • Large head
  • Well built
  • The 42" jacket would have been too small
  • Not fat or paunchy
  • Black hair
  • Dark skin
  • Clean-shaven
  • Arab, and was speaking Arabic (which Tony spoke a little)
  • Libyan (or possibly, Arab and doesn't speak French, i.e. not Tunisian)
This is all from his first police statement. He was interviewed on a number of occasions during the next couple of weeks, and added a bit more.

  • About 50 years old
  • 36" waist
  • 16½ to 17 inch collar size
On 13th September Tony produced two images of the purchaser - an artist's impression (left) and a photofit (right).

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He said the artist's impression was a closer resemblance to the purchaser than the photofit. (I think they look like two different people, personally.)

The following day he picked out Mohamed Salam (left) from a photospread, and said while he resembled the man he was too young by about 20 years (Mohamed Salam was 32 years old in that picture). About two weeks later he picked out Abu Talb (right), and said he might have been the purchaser.

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There were more statements and suggestions in the following months, which I'll skip for now. Fast forward to 15th February 1991, over two years later. By this time the investigation had become interested in Megrahi, which they weren't during the initial stages.

Tony was shown a photospread which included a picture of Megrahi allegedly!). There has been much criticism of this process, which I've outlined before, but I'll skip it for now. Here is the picture of Megrahi he said looked most like the purchaser of the pictures in the photospread (but was too young) - compared to the Abdusamad picture again, which is a decent likeness (right).

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I have great difficulty in seeing the picture on the left as being a picture of Megrahi at all. It's a terrible likeness. But it's that likeness Tony picked as resembling the purchaser.

And there the matter was allowed to rest, for ten years. The only picture of Megrahi Tony had identified was one that didn't look like him.

However, that wasn't the only picture of Megrahi Tony saw during these ten years. Lockerbie was big news and the blockade of Libya was big news and many articles and features were published about it. Most of them with a picture of Megrahi, identifying him as the suspect.

Tony is known to have seen a number of these pictures. In fact, Paul was keeping a scrapbook of the things for him! Prof. Valentine's report lists a large number of articles with photos Tony had an opportunity to see, including one which Tony definitely had in his possession probably from December 1998 until it was taken from him only four days before the identity parade at Zeist.

During these ten years, and in particular during the months and weeks leading up to Zeist, Tony (in common with anyone else following the case) was able to learn what Megrahi really looked like. Anybody who had seen these better likenesses published in the press could have picked Megrahi out of a police lineup even if they'd never seen him before - much the same as any of us could identify someone we'd seen pictured in the papers on a number of occasions.

(And as an aside, the articles also revealed that Megrahi was 36 in 1988, not 50, and the pictures showed that he was of only average build and not especially tall.)

So, having picked out the round-faced blurry photo (left) in 1991, Tony was presented with Megrahi himself (right) in 1999. All he had to do was to decide whether to pick him out or not.

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So he did.

So, of all the middle-aged-ish Arabs with a full head of black hair and no beard or moustache, what on earth about this makes us think the man Tony saw is at all likely to have been Megrahi?

Rolfe.
 
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That b&w photo of Megrahi chosen by Gauci is indeed very odd. But I'll come back to that.

It was also noted that when Gauci eventually chose this picture out in Feb '91, it was only on a second viewing of the photo spread that he pickled picture no.8. This was the first occassion that Gauci said that his first response, in which he had given a negative response to all the photo's, was not accepted by the investigators and was asked to look again. He was asked by DCI Bell to look again "carefully and try to allow for any age difference".

Now quite clearly there are noticable differences in the blurry b&w photo of Megrahi picked out by Gauci and the passport photo Megrahi was using in 1987. In the picture Gauci was presented with, the face is considerably rounder, lips are quite different, and although the hair looks again notably different, the b&w photo lacks any definition whatsoever and really renders any conclusive comparison indiscernible. I did wonder if perhaps the 2 reflections on the ears may have been earrings, but again the quality and resolution of the photo makes that impossible.

Perhaps though, this is all simply the age processes though. Features may change slightly, weight can be added to the face and hair styles change. I've no doubt we all have photo's of ourselves from bygone years where hairstyles change with the 'look' of the time. Is the b&w photo of simply a young puppy-fat Megrahi?

But I came across this photo of Megrahi, aged 19, and certainly the clear resemblence is there from the photo in his 1987 passport, and indeed his arrival at Zeist in 2000. Hair is the same straggley, curly, but not at all afro look, and the face is long as seems a distinctive feature of Megrahi's face.


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to this....

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to this...

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That is, undoubtedly, very strange.
 
We also have to bear in mind the notorious unreliability of eyewitness identifications across the board. Some of the most notorious miscarriages of justice have involved eyewitnesses who were sure they'd identified the right person, after a much shorter period of time than Tony had to cope with, but were later found to be definitely mistaken when DNA evidence was analysed.

Professor Clark gives a fairly extensive literature review dealing with eyewitness identification. He notes that there are no studies that have looked at memory retention in these circumstances over as long a period as 27 months (November/December 1988 to February 1991), but that the longest study showed accuracy falling to only 11% after 11 months.

Simply observing the mugshots, the best I believe that can be said about this aspect of the identification is that Megrahi seems to be one of a large set of men who might be said to resemble the purchaser in ways that Tony recalls (ethnicity, hair and absence of facial hair). And that Tony was willing to pick out a number of such men as "resembling" the purchaser.

However, considering the rest of the information Tony gave at the initial interviews where he wasn't pressurised, his memory was at its freshest, and nobody had any particular suspect in mind to skew his evidence, it's a different story.

36 years old as opposed to "about 50 years old".
5 feet 8 inches tall as opposed to "six feet or more".
Normal-sized head (though with quite a lot of hair) as opposed to "big head".
Normal build as opposed to "well built", "big chest" and "too big for a 42" jacket".

And once all that has been taken on board, there's the point that the day of the purchase (as evidenced by the Christmas lights, the rain, the delivery note for the pyjamas and a number of other features) was a day when Megrahi was nowhere near the shop anyway.

Rolfe.
 
But I came across this photo of Megrahi, aged 19, and certainly the clear resemblence is there from the photo in his 1987 passport, and indeed his arrival at Zeist in 2000. Hair is the same straggley, curly, but not at all afro look, and the face is long as seems a distinctive feature of Megrahi's face.


Is that the photo that was on his student card when he was at the University of Cardiff? I'm slightly interested in verifying that - when was he there, what did he study, and what (if any) degree or diploma did he get?

Do you know where I can scare up any information on that?



Do you think it's possible the Czech photo isn't actually him? It seems scarcely possible the defence wouldn't have challenged it if that was the case, and yet the defence seem to have missed a few rather obvious tricks in the course of this case.

I certainly can't see it as the same person, even knowing it's supposed to be, and with the better likenesses beside it. If he'd had that picture in his passport, I'd have been surprised if he'd been allowed through passport control without at least some questioning.

It does resemble the photofit from 1989, but we have to remember that Tony himself said the artist's impression was the better likeness of these images. That resemblance might have been part of why he chose it of course.

You know, there's something deeply strange about all this.

Rolfe.
 
Gauci had also previous to picking Megrahi, chose a number of others who also "resembled" the man he thought was the purchaser. Apart from at one point he picked Talb, Mohammed Sollem was also picked on the 14th Sep 89, as certain features matched his recollection but needed to look 20 years older, and Shukri Mohamed whom he picked on 26 Sep 89 also "resembled" the purchaser but was too young, and this person was 47. In October '89 he chose someone from a photospread whom Gauci thought again similar to the purchaser, and was "50% sure" it was also the man who had returned to the shop to buy a girls dress.

Then in Feb 91 he chose the b&w picture of Megrahi on his second look across the photospread, after first picking no one initially, as it also resembled but again was too young the purchaser of the clothing. I presume the investigators would have known when Gauci made this choice of Megrahi, his approx if not exact age and height which quite obviously would not compliment Gauci's first statements made on the buyers statistics.

Would the investigators not realise that a tailor, or at least someone who sells clothes for a living, would at least have an experienced eye for sizes and height? And therefore, just like the other photos Gauci had picked out over the 16months of various photospreads, some of the features may be similar, but once again, the age and height were entirely inconsistent with Gauci's initial recollection?
 
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Could I put in a little request to Bunntamas?

I know it's probably a little daunting having three of us posting information while you're busy with other things, then coming back to see all these detailed posts. However, we have taken the trouble to research this in quite a lot of depth. You have previously criticised others for not being entirely accurate on some detail of the evidence. We are doing our damnedest to be as accurate as possible. Please give us the courtesy of reading our posts in detail and following what we're saying.

We know Tony said some rather different things at Zeist. He agreed that his recollection of the sale and the purchaser was much poorer in 2000 than it was in 1989, but that "in those days I told them everything exactly, didn't I?"

I rather think he did, at that time, to the best of his ability.

However, having said that, Tony then proceeded to try to back-track on the very features he'd described "exactly" back then. The age gets younger, the height decreases, the rain clears up to only a couple of spots, the Christmas lights magically appear, and Tony, the man who made his living selling clothes and knowing what sizes to pick to get a good fit for a customer, who rattled off a string of measurements relating to this customer in 1989 (far more than any of us would have been able to do I'm sure), suddenly announces that he's no good at estimating height or age or body size.

I'm sorry, but you can't discuss these discrepancies without discussing a reward offer of $4 million, and the fact that Tony had learned in the intervening years that his original descriptions of age, height and so on didn't fit the suspect.

So please, Bunntamas, don't just ignore everything we've posted and jump in announcing that Tony said such-and-such at Zeist. Look at the evidence he gave in the early stages, when his memory was fresher and untainted by hopes of earning himself a fortune, and ask if you can really say you believe Megrahi bought those clothes.

Rolfe.
 
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Is that the photo that was on his student card when he was at the University of Cardiff? I'm slightly interested in verifying that - when was he there, what did he study, and what (if any) degree or diploma did he get?

Do you know where I can scare up any information on that?


It is indeed. It appears he was only at the Rumney College of Technology and Llandaff College of Technology, now called University of Wales Institute, Cardiff, for 9 months and studied a marine engineering course. (source: http://www.anorak.co.uk/?s=Abdelbaset+al-Megrahi&submit=




Do you think it's possible the Czech photo isn't actually him? It seems scarcely possible the defence wouldn't have challenged it if that was the case, and yet the defence seem to have missed a few rather obvious tricks in the course of this case.

I certainly can't see it as the same person, even knowing it's supposed to be, and with the better likenesses beside it. If he'd had that picture in his passport, I'd have been surprised if he'd been allowed through passport control without at least some questioning.

It does resemble the photofit from 1989, but we have to remember that Tony himself said the artist's impression was the better likeness of these images. That resemblance might have been part of why he chose it of course.

You know, there's something deeply strange about all this.

Rolfe.



I certainly can't see as the same person either. I don't know what to think really. It looks less and less like Megrahi the more I look at it. And quite how picking this photo out as a resemblence, against what Megrahi actually looked like at the time, as shown in the 1987 passport photo and just as stark a difference at Zeist, and all the other age and size discrepancies given by Gauci is a 'positive identification', is utterly perplexing.
 
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Can I try these pictures side by side?

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I need to go read the court transcript to see if anyone actually did challenge that "Czech" picture as being really Megrahi.

Rolfe.
 
It is indeed. It appears he was only at the Rumney College of Technology and Llandaff College of Technology, now called University of Wales Institute, Cardiff, for 9 months and studied a marine engineering course. (source: http://www.anorak.co.uk/?s=Abdelbaset+al-Megrahi&submit=


Thanks, I'll follow that up.

I certainly can't see as the same person either. I don't know what to think really. It looks less and less like Megrahi the more I look at it. And quite how picking this photo out as a resemblence, against what Megrahi actually looked like at the time, as shown in the 1987 passport photo and just as stark a difference at Zeist, and all the other age and size discrepancies given by Gauci is a 'positive identification', is utterly perplexing.


I honestly hadn't noticed this point before. I thought they'd used the Abdusamad passport photo for the 1991 photospread. (I was already quite convinced by the rain and the Christmas lights and the differences in height, age and body shape that it wasn't Megrahi anyway, I hadn't really looked at the photos and presumed Tony had in fact picked out one that was a reasonable likeness.)

Why didn't they use the Abdusamad passport photo? Didn't they have it?

I place no weight at all on Tony picking Megrahi out at Zeist. The whole world knew what Megrahi looked like by then. Hey Mr. Gauci, just point to this man and salve your conscience by just saying he "resembles" the clothes purchaser, and you're on the gravy train for life.

Nice work if you can get it.

Rolfe.
 
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Interesting stuff, for sure, much of which I didn't know. Like the old ID, and thanks for showing the whole image. I'm starting a blog post about it now. Hope you guys don't mind me sucking up some of what you've done here. Still absorbing it too...

So far I'm still over by where I was after trying in Photoshop. I can't rule out these all being the same guy, but I'm not convinced it is either.

Just to add one thing, I stumbled across this in Marquise's book, p. 142
Giaka had looked at the Czech passport picture identified by Gauci. He said it was Megrahi when he was much younger.

I hope that wasn't their corroboration. It was already shown to Gauci. Was it Megrahi at that time, or just a guy with a fro? I really don't want or need yet another wrinkle like that. My word, it's insane enough already. But it seems a valid question. :boxedin:

Elsewhere in the book:
p 203 "Picture number eight was Megrahi." No explanation there. No explanation I found about when and how they got it, and wwhat info came with. But here's a gem of a passage:

p 127-28, on a mid-1991 conference

Henderson discussed the photo spread leading to the Gauci identification of Megrahi. Although no one could positively date the photograph shown to Gauci, he was reluctant to show any more photos without fear of tainting what he had already provided. Henderson opined the reason Megrahi had purchased the clothing when he seemed to be a high ranking intelligence officer was because he wanted to be sure no one else knew what was happening. We did not know if this was true, but was a possibility.

He next spoke of Bollier...

That's bad. If you know where it's from, and cite your sources, as a scholar or investigator. They can't date it, Giaka vouched for it, shows a teenager at his prom, looks like to me. Gauci said it would have to be "ten years older" to match his 50-year old buyer. Is that a change just between '89 and '91? The buyer was perhaps already younger, perhaps about Megrahi's age.
 
Look at it from Gauci's point of view: Inspector McKnacker shows him a photospread apparently of 12 men in their thirties - photo no. 8 is very grainy, but it would be natural to assume that its subject is the same age as the other eleven. As we know, Gauci has been adamant all along that the man was about 50. According to DI Scicluna,

“.. Gauci started examining the photographs and the first thing he said was that
they are all too young. It was explained to him to allow for age discrepancy as the
man he saw could be 10-15 years older. Here he looked at me and in Maltese said
‘Bring me that newspaper. He is similar’. (witness referring to a photograph in
British Sunday Times - see statement 4677O). During this time Gauci had already
stopped at photograph No 8 which was the photo of Mr Megrahi. Gauci then
looked through them and again stopped at Baset’s photo and indicating it he said
‘This is similar, but it is maybe 10-15 years younger”.

So, at least according to Scicluna, Gauci was told that the age discrepancy could be 10-15 years, and he accordingly compares no. 8, assuming him to be in his thirties, with the 50-year-old man he has seen, and says, yes, he is similar. (Though he also says Abu Talb is more similar.)

But (the records show) McKnacker has been fretting about the fact that the grainy photo of Megrahi is 12 years old, so he hears Gauci saying yes, Megrahi aged 24 would look like the customer, if he were 10-15 years older. Result!

I can't resist giving the bad practice another mention here (apologies to Rolfe and CL who have pointed it out countless times.) Megrahi's picture was noticeably worse in quality than the rest of the lineup: isn't that saying 'we had to include this one because he's our suspect'? Then there's the instruction to look again allowing for the age of the photo, saying in effect, 'our suspect is in the spread, and it's a 10-15 year old picture' - maybe that old and knackered-looking one at no. 8? And there's the presence of several investigators at the identification: what's the likelihood that someone betrayed through his body language when Gauci was looking at the suspect. (Scicluna for one could tell when he was doing so.)

The mind boggles, on all four cylinders.
 
Tony Gauci had picked out photos in previous spreads in almost exactly the same terms as he picked Megrahi on 15/2/91. Yet this time DCI Bell treated it as significant. His reasoning:

The SIO agrees we have a partial identification on
the person named Abdelbaset considering all of the circumstances, namely
(1) He arrivedin Malta on 7th December '88. This was the date of the purchase of the clothing.
(2) He resided at the Holiday Inn Hotel, Sliema, which is within several hundred yards of the shop premises.
(3) He travelled to Switzerland on 9th December 1988. He is known to Bollier, the person who supplied the IED timer.
(4) He was involved in the company known as ABH on behalf of the Libyans. This company was set up to deal with contact with the MEBO company, Mr Bollier's firm.
(5) He has a resemblance to the original photo fit and artist's impression.
(6) There is NO reason 6.
(7) The SIO advises that Bollier has now been shown the photofit and he states that if the hair was shorter then it would indeed look like Abdelbaset, also if it was 10 to 15 years older.
(8) The SIO also advises that the photograph we have of Abdelbaset is in fact 12 years old. He is a smart dresser, plenty of jewellery and there is no recollection of the watch according to Bollier and he is taller
than Bollier at 5 foot 9 inches. Gauci thinks 6 foot tall."

In (1) and (2) Bell is using circular logic. Paul Gauci's statements show that he cannot choose between 23/11 and 7/12; if anything 23/11 is slightly more probable, he says at one point, but only on the basis of football fixtures. Bell decides that he'll take it as 7/12 anyway, as that's when Megrahi was on Malta. Now the date seems to have become an established fact he can use to back up Tony's equivocal identification.

As has been pointed out, (3) and (4) are of no significance. Many people dealt with Bollier, and Megrahi wasn't involved in the only Libyan purchase of MST13's.

(5) is true up to a point, of the artist's impression if not the photofit. But it's also true of very many other people. And Gauci said the sketch made the man too young.

(7) is true, but as I've said, that's almost certainly not what Gauci was saying. It's just that McKnacker wasn't listening to him.

In (8) Bell skates over the height difference (4in, not 3in as he says). If a guy who sells clothes says a man is 6ft, he's 6ft. Again, McKnacker isn't listening.

That leaves us with reason 6.
 
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But (the records show) McKnacker has been fretting about the fact that the grainy photo of Megrahi is 12 years old, so he hears Gauci saying yes, Megrahi aged 24 would look like the customer, if he were 10-15 years older. Result!

Just to double-check, since you used "knackered" as an adjective as well - this is a fictional cop, not a real one, right? I wasn't sure, and first read that as a photo OF a 12-year old, which sounded only a bit further off than Tony's opinion the guy in the photo was "in his 30 years." I'd forgotten that above suggesting a change on his part. If he thought this, then by ten or 10-15 years older, that's about right.

If the photo was about 10 years younger than that ("in his twenty years"), as it looks to me and Giaka, then magically, the "result" you mention is achieved and the suspect's age has changed - Tony could be said to have given a sign that the buyer was al Megrahi's approximate age, rather than middle-aged.

Megrahi's picture was noticeably worse in quality than the rest of the lineup: isn't that saying 'we had to include this one because he's our suspect'? Then there's the instruction to look again allowing for the age of the photo, saying in effect, 'our suspect is in the spread, and it's a 10-15 year old picture' - maybe that old and knackered-looking one at no. 8?

I had the same thought. Three big questions in fact are the hair styles of the other 11, their ages, and the photo quality. If they're including this one despite its low quality when the others are normal looking, would he be left noticing it more, seeing the big hair, wondering why it's there, looking like a teenage Mullah Omar type character - "is this some elusive terrorist they could only find this sort of picture of? He must be very mysterious, and I could help catch him! He might be the same guy the newspaper said was the bomber - either one, this guy and that guy both look like him a decade back..."

One picture WAS apparently a decade old, the other wasn't, so another side-effect - Abu Talb's been ruled too young while al Megrahi is a better fit by this little shell game, even though they're about the same age.
 
Above was to Pete2, as is this

(6) There is NO reason 6.

Seriously? Where is that from? Hadn't see it yet.

It's an amazing list of all the wrong reasons to accept a managed misreading and mangling of eyewitness evidence. No way do Henderson and Bell not realize this is improper as they're doing it.

You've got some very interesting insights here. Thanks.
 

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