Moderated Obama birth certificate CT / SSN CT / Birther discussion

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Did the Sheriff’s office file any “resisting arrest” charges against him? Is it true that they made him “ride the lightning” (Tasered him)?

Yes, and yes. He apparently put up somewhat of a struggle ... details are hazy ... but he was charged with resisting arrest and assault on a police officer. His original trial date was Dec. 1. That MIGHT have been changed to Jan. 18, or the January date may be for a separate trial on the resisting/assault charges.

It's hard to get good information about court dates and so forth, because the only reports we're getting are from Walt or Walt's tiny band of supporters.

He calls Sharon Rondeau in Connecticut. She records the calls and transcribes them, then puts them in the Post & Email. Are the transcriptions accurate? Is Walt giving an accurate description of events? We're kind of trying to read the tea leaves on some things.

He also said the judge gave him 10 days for contempt of court, which is really, really surprising, considering that Walt says he told the judge he's a corrupt criminal from the depths of Hell or something. Also, the sheriff is the most corrupt sheriff in the country, and the whole county is one big conspiracy to silence patriots, and so forth.

But everyone is in agreement that they pretty much beat the snot out of him and he was tased twice during the arrest ... poor feller. For all the whining he's done, he seems to forget that just days before the arrest, he was saying he'd never come willingly and would "defend myself like a naval officer against a dictatorship".

One of his buddies (JB Williams) said Walt doesn't own a gun, but even if true, how were the cops to know that? And if he really doesn't own a gun, how was he going to defend himself against armed deputies? Has he been watching Home Alone movies?
 
Now that I'm really poking around JREF, there seem to be a lot of 9/11 truthers here. Even more strange, there are people still willing to engage them. But I don't see a lot of birthers here. Are there birthers on JREF?
 
Now that I'm really poking around JREF, there seem to be a lot of 9/11 truthers here. Even more strange, there are people still willing to engage them. But I don't see a lot of birthers here. Are there birthers on JREF?

There are some hard-line conservatives that give it the typical lip service because they will grasp at anything they think can harm Obama, but generally, no, there are not a lot of birthers here.
 
That's fascinating. Troofers, but no Birfers.

I never really followed the Troofers too much. I know a basic outline of that one, but no real details. I just assume if there was any truth to it, we'd have a whistleblower by now. I believe in the chaos theory of history, not the conspiracy theory.

But I got sucked deep down the rabbit hole with the Birfers. I don't know who the reigning NCAA basketball champs are. But I know everything there is to know about presidential eligibility.

Or, as the loathsome Birferstanis would tell you, I drank the Kool-Aid.
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But it's also another indication that means there's something really different about the birther CT, that separates it from the other CTs like Second Shooters, Moon Landing Hoaxers, and Troofers.

Since I don't know much about Troofers, I'm gonna pose a hypothesis, and y'all can let me know if I'm getting a clue.

I imagine that Troofers, since a lot of their crap is "scientific"
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, are willing to debate and engage with debunkers.

But birthers need to live in an echo chamber. They can't stand dealing with debunkers. I can't even count the number of birther websites I've been banned from. Plus, I've been banned from chat rooms and radio shows ...

On the bright side, many of the websites that banned me are now defunct.
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When I was a boy ... (yawn) ... if there was one whackjob frootloop in a town of 10,000 people, everybody in the town pretty much ignored him/her, and there wasn't much traction to their insanity.

But with the advent of the Innartoobs, if only one in ten thousand people are whackjob frootloops, they can form a community of whackjob frootloops.

They can all read whackjob frootloop "news media" like WingNutDaily and CanadaFreePress and IsraelInsider and Pravda and Russia Today, and think there are freakin' millions of people who agree with them.

It would be a fascinating thesis for some promising doctoral candidate in sociology ...
 
That's fascinating. Troofers, but no Birfers.
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But it's also another indication that means there's something really different about the birther CT, that separates it from the other CTs like Second Shooters, Moon Landing Hoaxers, and Troofers.

Since I don't know much about Troofers, I'm gonna pose a hypothesis, and y'all can let me know if I'm getting a clue.

I imagine that Troofers, since a lot of their crap is "scientific" [qimg]http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee232/foghorn_leghorn_photos/emoticons/rotflmao.gif[/qimg], are willing to debate and engage with debunkers.

But birthers need to live in an echo chamber. They can't stand dealing with debunkers. I can't even count the number of birther websites I've been banned from. Plus, I've been banned from chat rooms and radio shows ...
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I think you'll find twoofers prefer the echo chamber as well. We have posters here who were pre-emptively banned from twoofer sites before they made a single post.

It's been noticed before that for people who pay lip service to free speech, birfers and twoofers don't really tolerate it very well on their own sites. I'm reminded of the line from the Blues Brothers: "We play both kinds of music here -- country and western."
 
That's fascinating. Troofers, but no Birfers.


That's a bit of an historical oddity. We've been big on debunking the twoofers for years. We were once voted, by truthers, as the most effective opposition site. We're also one of the last places they're not automatically dismissed or banned on sight. Because of that, we still see a few show up, looking for a fight.

I've long believed that CTists need a Big Bad they can actually engage with, in order to validate their fantasies of Opposing Them, and having Them react by trying to Oppress the Truthers. We play that role in their personal Heroic Epic Story.

With Birthers, we're not nearly as central to their Opposition Fantasies, as there are a lot of others doing the same job (like you!), and they've actually got real live court cases in progress. That lets them place the judges, lawyers, police and such as the Designated Bad Guys in their fantasy lives.




Since I don't know much about Troofers, I'm gonna pose a hypothesis, and y'all can let me know if I'm getting a clue.

I imagine that Troofers, since a lot of their crap is "scientific" [qimg]http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee232/foghorn_leghorn_photos/emoticons/rotflmao.gif[/qimg], are willing to debate and engage with debunkers.

But birthers need to live in an echo chamber. They can't stand dealing with debunkers. I can't even count the number of birther websites I've been banned from. Plus, I've been banned from chat rooms and radio shows ...


They all like to play in the echo chamber. They need constant reinforcement of their belief structure in the face of the vast number of people who react to them by declaring that they're crazy. I'm sure you've seen the type who react to any opposition by claiming that the opposition are "in on it" (shills, agents, COINTELPRO, whatever). This is part of their opposition fantasies - they need to believe that we're all working together to oppose them. If that wasn't true, they'd need to consider the possibility that large numbers of otherwise unrelated people have considered their "evidence", and rejected it as nonsense.

I suspect this effect is more pronounced with Birthers, as they need to be much stupider to believe what they do. With Truthers, most people don't fully grasp the physics and engineering issues involved, so it's understandable that they might go off on a weird tangent. But with Birthers? Every one of us has a birth certificate, and lots of us have had to get copies because we've misplaced the original. Most of us have known pregnant women, and realize how stupid it is to suggest that a woman might have flown to Kenya in the last month of pregnancy, in teh early 1960s, no less. To maintain such stupid beliefs in the face of opposition, they may need even more reinforcement than the truthers.



When I was a boy ... (yawn) ... if there was one whackjob frootloop in a town of 10,000 people, everybody in the town pretty much ignored him/her, and there wasn't much traction to their insanity.

But with the advent of the Innartoobs, if only one in ten thousand people are whackjob frootloops, they can form a community of whackjob frootloops.



And this, without a doubt, is why all CTs have become more prominent in the last decade or so - they can all reinforce each other, and all their "work" is available all the time, forever. One guy ranting on a corner can only affect a few people for a short time. The same guy on the internet can affect hundreds or thousands, and can sustain that effect indefinitely.
 
Well, as you probably know, if you show a conspiracy theorist evidence showing that the conspiracy is not true, they tend to believe it MORE, not less.

By the by ... before moving to North Carolina, I lived for many years in Orange County, CA.

And Orly Taitz was my (and my wife's) dentist for three or four visits, back in the mid-90s, before we decided she was a crappy dentist. Now that she has become the absolute worst lawyer in the history of the planet, my herd uncovered a number of dental malpractice cases that were filed against her. I can't believe I let that woman put sharp instruments in my personal mouf!
 
Now that I'm really poking around JREF, there seem to be a lot of 9/11 truthers here. Even more strange, there are people still willing to engage them. But I don't see a lot of birthers here. Are there birthers on JREF?

We have one regular who flirted with it, but never added anything despite declaring the birther claims article to be 'interesting'. He never disavowed the things he posted and when people point this flirtation he cries 'unfair', but still does not disavow any belief in it.
 
But with the advent of the Innartoobs, if only one in ten thousand people are whackjob frootloops, they can form a community of whackjob frootloops.

Times were to get this kind of loony entertainment you had to go into a big city and read the diatrabes that the nutters would post to telephone poles.
 
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NOVEMBER 13TH NEWS CONFERENCE DETAILS:

WHO:

Obamacon 2012/Honolulu 2010 Chairman Andy Martin

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Sidewalk news conference, intersection of Atkinson Drive and Kapiolani Boulevard in front of the Hawai’i Convention Center , Honolulu

WHEN: Saturday, November 13, 3:30 P.M.

WHAT:

Obama conference leader Andy Martin announces a “scavenger hunt” to locate Barack Obama’s alleged physical birthplace in Honolulu; “Where’s the Plack?

(HONOLULU)(November 13, 2010) Obama conference leader, author and film producer Andy Martin will hold a Honolulu news conference this afternoon, November 13th, to announce that Obamacon 2012 is conducting a “scavenger hunt” for Barack Obama’s birthplace in Honolulu. “Where’s the plack,” says Martin.

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“Can anyone show me a plack commemorating where Barack Obama was physically born,” Martin will ask. “There is no plack at the address listed in the newspaper reports of Obama’s birth. Obama’s own relatives have given conflicting reports of which hospital was Obama’s birthplace.
Yes indeed. Never a darned 'plack' around when you need one.
 
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The birther movement is in tatters, reduced to following the pitiful fate of three of the bravest military officers what ever lived.

Lt. Col. Terry Lakin, U.S. Army
Most birthers, for some odd reason, haven't yet realized that Lakin has STOPPED BIRFING. They won't be happy, when they find out. He hired a respected civilian lawyer, Neal Puckett. On Oct. 19 in WingNutDaily, no less, Puckett confirmed that the judge's order denying Lakin access to President Obama's birth certificate was "the proper legal ruling".
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"She was right on the facts and right on the law," he said ... "All those issues concerning the president's eligibility to hold office are completely irrelevant as to whether Lt. Col. Lakin was issued lawful orders and whether he obeyed them," he said.
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Does that sound to you like his defense is still "an illegal Usurperin' Mofo can't send me to Afghanistan"? But just yesterday on ResistNet, one of the hatriots wrote, "Terry is hanging on with the tenacity of a bull dog." They're going to be SO SURPRISED when he pleads guilty and takes a plea bargain offer.

Lt. Cmdr. Walter F. Fitzpatrick, U.S.N., retired
Walt is in jail in Monroe County, Tennessee, waiting for his upcoming trial on Dec. 1, on the charges relating to his attempt to make a "citizens arrest" of the grand jury foreman. His trial may be postponed because of the new charges of resisting arrest and assault on a police officer, that resulted from the scuffle when they took him into custody. The Post & Email has pretty much dedicated it's entire operation to him. Walt himself keeps saying there needs to be "federal intervention," meaning the Obama administration that he tried to overthrow. His friends are trying to organize a large enough group to break him out of jail. Sadly, they can't even make a date for this public, because we'll have the town swarming with cops if they do. And Walt is refusing to allow a local lawyer to represent him, but the judges are refusing to let him bring in some idiot birther lawyer from out of state. So he may go to trial without one.
Bottom line: Walt will be convicted and sentenced to prison, and the hatriots will weep and wail.

Cdr. Charles Kerchner, U.S.N., retired
Kerchner's case, Kerchner v. Obama, is coming up for conference in the Supreme Court a week from tomorrow, Nov. 23. His lawyer, Mario Apuzzo, made all the same arguments before the Supremes that he made before the Third Circuit Court of Appeal, which damn near sanctioned Apuzzo for filing a "frivolous appeal". The only issue before the court is, does Kerchner have 'standing' to sue the president over eligibility or lack thereof. This is settled law, and the court won't touch it. Apuzzo's main argument is that the case is so gosh darn important that they should ignore the doctrine of standing. That has a 0.00% chance of prevailing.

Orly still has two cases (she thinks 3). One is the appeal of the $20,000 sanctions she got for her antics in Rhodes v. MacDonald, pending in the Supreme Court. The court won't hear that one either. They actually have some important cases to work on.

Second is her appeal of Judge Carter's decision in Barnett v. Obama. That's pending in the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals. The only issue there, too, is standing. But Orly seems to think the issue is whether Judge Carter is a dirty dog low-down snake who done her wrong. The court will affirm Carter's dismissal in the next couple months.

She also thinks she has a "Rule 60b" motion pending in the federal district court in Washington, D.C., but the clerks there insist, "That case is closed."

And that's it, until President Obama announces his campaign for re-election ...
 
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Exasperated from Twickenham (UK, that is)

Apropos nothing in particular (just a feeling of exasperation): this 'Obama Birth Certificate' thread must be (one of) the most useless, not just on JREF Forum, but the whole of the Internet. What a waste of effort, sophistry etc. Or do I miss something? Is there no way of stopping it? A futile question, I suppose.

Can't find a suitable smiley for this message - ah well, a thumbs down will have to do.
 
Polls show that as many as half the Republicans in this great nation doubt that President Obama was born in the U.S.

There are going to be dozens more lawsuits when he runs for re-election. At least two avowed birthers were elected to Congress two weeks ago.

But you think it's irrelevant and a waste of time?

This thing isn't going away any time soon. In fact, it's going to keep growing.
 
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Yes indeed. Never a darned 'plack' around when you need one.


Seeing as there was only one event:
http://www.hawaiiconvention.com/index.cfm?page=calendar

- not showing a weekend activity, so that corner is basically just home to traffic, trying to get in an out of Waikiki.

Its not one prone to foot traffic (that corner is notorious as its a modified intersection and the lights are all "weird").

Interesting cornert to "camp" out on. 2 strip clubs (one right across the street), one night club, a popular billiard place, homeless people who hang around the 711 and Hard Rock Cafe....He'll just look like another loon who constantly harass people just getting in and out of Waikiki
 
Seeing as there was only one event:
http://www.hawaiiconvention.com/index.cfm?page=calendar

- not showing a weekend activity, so that corner is basically just home to traffic, trying to get in an out of Waikiki.

I noticed that too. The "event" was on the sidewalk OUTSIDE the CONVENTION CENTER. But I gave him a pass since the announced "event" was a "press conference" rather than the convention - (it's a bit disingenuous to hold your press conference outside the center, but not have your convention inside, but oh well ...)
 
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When I was a boy ... (yawn) ... if there was one whackjob frootloop in a town of 10,000 people, everybody in the town pretty much ignored him/her, and there wasn't much traction to their insanity.

But with the advent of the Innartoobs, if only one in ten thousand people are whackjob frootloops, they can form a community of whackjob frootloops.

Yup. The late 1980s paranoid nutter with a ditto machine has been replaced by the 21st-century paranoid nutter with a web page. I sort of miss the good old days of typewritten, single-spaced marginless declarations of crazy.
 
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