Professor Yaffle
Butterbeans and Breadcrumbs
Pick the one you feel is the most important. [/blood out of a stone]
Has anyone been following the West Memphis Three?
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Rolfe
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But surely an expert like yourself knows which are the most salient points of the case, and which of the erroneous rebuttals are the ones that really damn these doubters?
Pointless though, because until you acknowledge that you were mistaken about the requirement for 100% proof of innocence, I'm not going anywhere with this.
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Rolfe.
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jhunter1163
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Rolfe
Adult human female
That would be nice. Looking forward to it.
Rolfe.
Rolfe.
John Jones
Penultimate Amazing
John Jones
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This was evidence used in court as part of the character of Damien Echols. It is refered to as the 500 by most familiar with the case. I have provided a link to the actual online copy that includes the official documentation. Damien was NOT a normal (for lack of a better term) teenager. He was and still is a deeply disturbed human being with a tendency for violence. The information here needs to be understood in my opinion because it portrays the truth about what Damien was really like. As you will see, he is nothing like what he is portrayed to be in the media that I have ever seen. The difference to me between the media's portrayal and the professionals who tried to help him is shocking to say the least. The media lies. We all know that. This is just one piece of the picture of this case. But, in my opinion needs to be the starting point for any further discussion because Damien is not who most people think he is. As you can see below. The information below is not my opinion. It is a summary of Damien Echols mental health history up to the day of the crime.
The 500 as it is called is a lot of information. I don't blame anyone for not wanting to dig through the whole thing. It took me years and I am fascinated by this stuff so I understand why the average person wouldn't want to even try. However, it is a very important piece of this case as I'm sure most will agree.
I believe that this, an accurate portrait of Damien Echols at the time of the crime and is crucial in looking at this case. So does the prosecution.
The summary was not put together by me. I am unaware of who put this together so I am unable to credit the original poster. If anyone knows who did this please PM me so that I can give credit where credit is due. It has been on too many discussion forms for me to backtrack and yes, I did try.
http://callahan.8k.com/wm3/img/exh500.html
Summary of Damien Echols' Mental Health History
5/7/92. E. Arkansas Mental Health Center: Client admits to having been suspended seven times this past semester for initiating fights at school and starting fires. States in one fight he almost gouged out the victim’s eyes.
Clinical report based on psychological tests: The behavior of this youngster is characterized by impulsive hostility...the desire to gain power and demean others springs from animosity and a wish to vindicate past grievances. This teenager believes that past degradations may be undone by provoking fear and intimidation in others. Cool and distant, this youth demonstrates little or no compassion for others.
5/19/92. Damien arrested for breaking into a trailer with his 15 year old girlfriend, Deanna Holcomb. Suicide pact if they couldn’t be together. Damien threatening to kill police officers and Deanna’s father when picked up. Convicted of second-degree burglary and sexual misconduct.
5/19/92 to 6/1/92. Craighead County Juvenile Detention Center.
Damien voiced suicide plan to folks at the center. Staff reported that Damien and Deanna planned to have a baby and sacrifice it. Damien knocked a peer to the ground, sucked the blood from the boy’s wounded arm and rubbed the blood on his face. No remorse. Deanna is hospitalized at Mid-South Hospital in Memphis.
Joyce Cureton, Juvenile Director, reported that “it is our opinion that Damien needs mental health treatment.”
6/1/92 to 6/25/92. Charter Hospital of Little Rock. Immediate hospitalization due to suicidal intent.
Admits to a history of violence and attempting to scratch out the eyes of a classmate. There were major concerns that Damien was exhibiting disturbed thinking. He has a history of extreme physical aggression toward others. It was felt that he needed to be temporarily removed from his environment to provide protection for him and protection for others.
Damien states, “I burn myself with lighters. I have huffed gas and paint, used speed, marijuana, glue, and alcohol.”
Progress Notes:
Damien stated that he got ahold of a police officer’s gun, and that if Deanna’s father had acted aggressively, “I would have blown him away and the next time I will eliminate that person.”
Denies having a conscience or feelings of regret.
Stares into space and shows no emotional response to any kind of stimuli.
Verbalized concern that there are surveillance cameras behind his mirror and under the desk in his room. Quite paranoid; he definitely bears watching.
Still drawing witchcraft symbols & continues to speak of bizarre and unusual practices.
Makes an unusual sound with his mouth that sounds like a cat purr.
States that visit with parents didn’t go well, but would not elaborate.
Damien’s mother concerned about her son “not learning to deal with anger and rages.” Thinks Damien is responding to outside stimulation. Voiced fear that “son may be crazy.”
6/25/92. Damien discharged to mother with instructions for continuing care. Family moving to Oregon.
8/13/92 Home Visit Evaluation by Calvin Downey, Oregon Juvenile Counselor:
Damien indicates he did spend approximately 30 days in a psychiatric hospital via court order, because he was suicidal. He feel his prior depression has improved greatly. Denies use of nonprescribed, controlled substances or alcohol.
Mrs. Echols indicates there are no family conflicts with Damien, that he gets along well with the family, that she does not believe he has a behavioral problem & that she does not need any services from this state.
9/1/92. Officer Ortez is called to the Echols’ apartment in Oregon. Damien transported to St. Vincent’s Hospital.
Emergency Room Report: The patient denies suicidal or homicidal ideation. However, in talking with family members, they state that he made it quite clear that he had thoughts of harming other people, i.e. was going to cut mother’s throat, and also made verbal threats to his father here at St. Vincent’s.
Parents state that he has sniffed propane, glue, gasoline and almost any other drug that is possible. Parental concerns regarding satanism, devil worship.
Admission diagnosis: Suicidal/homicidal ideation.
9/4/92. Discharged from St. Vincent’s. Because of Damien’s threats, both parents do not feel that they wish to have him return to their home. They are frightened of him and what he can do, not only to them but to the other children who reside in the home (2 others). Damien is to return to Arkansas by bus.
9/14/92 to 9/28/92. Readmitted to Charter Hospital from Juvenile Detention Center. He admitted to sucking the blood out of a peer’s neck while in the Center. The other peers were afraid of him. Threats to kill both parents (slash throats, eat alive).
Presenting problem: Homicidal and psychosis. Alteration in thought processes evidenced by delusional thinking and inappropriate social behavior.
Progress notes: Belief in devil worship, has agreed to threatening to “kill” others. Bizarre behaviors. Stated he had attempted suicide before and “wasn’t worried about trying again, because I know I can come back.”
Says he’s going to eat father and that he needs to be locked up or he will hurt someone.
Peers complaining of Damien making growling sounds at them.
Continues talk of satanism. Possible deprogramming needed. Could be a danger to others.
Continues laughing strangely and getting peers to feed into his satanism. Tries to keep staff from seeing him do anything other than what’s appropriate according to unit guidelines. Depressed mood, bizarre behavior.
Said he was “happy to be here because otherwise he’d be in jail and this has to be better.”
Spoke with Jerry Driver re: Damien’s discharge to stepfather Jack Echols. Said this was “ok”.
Diagnosis: Psychotic Disorder NOS and Dysthymia. Prognosis: Poor.
1/5/93. Mental Health Center reopens case: Reports self-mutilation, cutting self with knives. Will “trance out” since 5th grade - doesn’t have to deal with what’s going on. Says he thinks a lot about life after death--”I want to go where the monsters go.” He admits being caught with satanic items, but denies cult involvement.
Is interested in witchcraft for the past 8 years. He has tried to steal energy from someone else and influence others’ minds with witchcraft. Describes self as “pretty much hates the human race.” Relates that he feels people are in two classes--sheep and wolves (wolves eat the sheep).
1/13/93: Damien reports that he’s very angry with family members and with other people who have “let him down”. He discussed issues of power & control. He states that he could make things happen. Affect and mood was flat.
1/19/93: Reveals history of abuse as he talked of how he was treated as a child. States, “I just put it all inside.” Describes this as more than just anger - like rage. Sometimes he does “blow up.” Relates that when this happens, the only solution is to “hurt someone.” When questioned on his feelings he states, “I know I’m going to influence the world. People will remember me.”
1/20/93: Damien is an 18 year old, recently discharged from Charter Hospital. He’s had three psychiatric hospitalizations. Each has been associated with anger, thoughts of killing others, and thoughts of killing himself.
1/25/93: Speaks of rituals, drinking blood, more involved in demonology. Damien explained that he obtains his power by drinking blood of others. He typically drinks the blood of a sexual partner or of a ruling partner. This is achieved by biting or cutting. He states, “It makes me feel like a god.”
Damien describes drinking blood as giving him more power and strength. He remembers doing this as far back as age 10. He wants very much to be all powerful. He wants very much to be in total control.
Damien relates that a spirit is now living with him. The spirit was put inside him last year. He indicates that a month ago, the spirit decided to become part of him and he to become part of the spirit. This is reportedly a spirit of a woman who was killed by her husband. In addition, he also reports conversations with demons and other spirits. This is achieved through rituals.
He denies that he’s satanic, seeing himself more as being involved in demonology.
Affect and mood today continued to be bland, although there was more emotion when talking about drinking blood.
2/5/93: Damien is noted to have cuts on his right arm and hand. Related that he cut himself as a way of permanently marking his skin. Related feeling very angry yesterday when running into previous girlfriend. “I controlled it - I can do anything.”
5/5/93: At times he is impulsive and does things that may be harmful to him. He has impulses to do strange and harmful things.
5/5/93: Christopher Byers, Steve Branch, and Michael Moore are murdered.
End of Summary.
As you can see, Damien himself spoke to people about "his ideas of Demonology". This was not a satanic ritual whatever. But to Damien, I repeat - to Damien, it appears that it may well have been, in his idea of what so called Demonology meant to him. Remember, he brought this up. There was no indication at the crime scene of any ritualistic anything and at the onset of the investigation, it was not considered in any way that I have ever heard or seen. It is a myth. The whole Satanic thing was brought in to the picture by the suspects own words, not evidence at the crime. It was used at the trial to show a "possible" motive. Which was difficult because Damien had a "mish-mash" of symbolism and beliefs from so many different ideas that it would be impossible to list them all. Some he even made up himself. A large part of it is included in the 500.
This is Damien Echols. Not a pretty picture. He is a seriously disturbed human being and violent human being. His own family was afraid of him.
I did see a few statements in this thread that I believe are answered here to some extent. This was NOT a satanic ritual killing. Damien was not targeted because of his belief system, type of music or the color of his clothes.
http://callahan.8k.com/wm3/desud.html
The above link is why and when Damien was first considered to be a suspect.
http://callahan.8k.com/wm3/dwe.html
The above link is the first time Damien came in to the police station to be interviewed.
The 500 as it is called is a lot of information. I don't blame anyone for not wanting to dig through the whole thing. It took me years and I am fascinated by this stuff so I understand why the average person wouldn't want to even try. However, it is a very important piece of this case as I'm sure most will agree.
I believe that this, an accurate portrait of Damien Echols at the time of the crime and is crucial in looking at this case. So does the prosecution.
The summary was not put together by me. I am unaware of who put this together so I am unable to credit the original poster. If anyone knows who did this please PM me so that I can give credit where credit is due. It has been on too many discussion forms for me to backtrack and yes, I did try.
http://callahan.8k.com/wm3/img/exh500.html
Summary of Damien Echols' Mental Health History
5/7/92. E. Arkansas Mental Health Center: Client admits to having been suspended seven times this past semester for initiating fights at school and starting fires. States in one fight he almost gouged out the victim’s eyes.
Clinical report based on psychological tests: The behavior of this youngster is characterized by impulsive hostility...the desire to gain power and demean others springs from animosity and a wish to vindicate past grievances. This teenager believes that past degradations may be undone by provoking fear and intimidation in others. Cool and distant, this youth demonstrates little or no compassion for others.
5/19/92. Damien arrested for breaking into a trailer with his 15 year old girlfriend, Deanna Holcomb. Suicide pact if they couldn’t be together. Damien threatening to kill police officers and Deanna’s father when picked up. Convicted of second-degree burglary and sexual misconduct.
5/19/92 to 6/1/92. Craighead County Juvenile Detention Center.
Damien voiced suicide plan to folks at the center. Staff reported that Damien and Deanna planned to have a baby and sacrifice it. Damien knocked a peer to the ground, sucked the blood from the boy’s wounded arm and rubbed the blood on his face. No remorse. Deanna is hospitalized at Mid-South Hospital in Memphis.
Joyce Cureton, Juvenile Director, reported that “it is our opinion that Damien needs mental health treatment.”
6/1/92 to 6/25/92. Charter Hospital of Little Rock. Immediate hospitalization due to suicidal intent.
Admits to a history of violence and attempting to scratch out the eyes of a classmate. There were major concerns that Damien was exhibiting disturbed thinking. He has a history of extreme physical aggression toward others. It was felt that he needed to be temporarily removed from his environment to provide protection for him and protection for others.
Damien states, “I burn myself with lighters. I have huffed gas and paint, used speed, marijuana, glue, and alcohol.”
Progress Notes:
Damien stated that he got ahold of a police officer’s gun, and that if Deanna’s father had acted aggressively, “I would have blown him away and the next time I will eliminate that person.”
Denies having a conscience or feelings of regret.
Stares into space and shows no emotional response to any kind of stimuli.
Verbalized concern that there are surveillance cameras behind his mirror and under the desk in his room. Quite paranoid; he definitely bears watching.
Still drawing witchcraft symbols & continues to speak of bizarre and unusual practices.
Makes an unusual sound with his mouth that sounds like a cat purr.
States that visit with parents didn’t go well, but would not elaborate.
Damien’s mother concerned about her son “not learning to deal with anger and rages.” Thinks Damien is responding to outside stimulation. Voiced fear that “son may be crazy.”
6/25/92. Damien discharged to mother with instructions for continuing care. Family moving to Oregon.
8/13/92 Home Visit Evaluation by Calvin Downey, Oregon Juvenile Counselor:
Damien indicates he did spend approximately 30 days in a psychiatric hospital via court order, because he was suicidal. He feel his prior depression has improved greatly. Denies use of nonprescribed, controlled substances or alcohol.
Mrs. Echols indicates there are no family conflicts with Damien, that he gets along well with the family, that she does not believe he has a behavioral problem & that she does not need any services from this state.
9/1/92. Officer Ortez is called to the Echols’ apartment in Oregon. Damien transported to St. Vincent’s Hospital.
Emergency Room Report: The patient denies suicidal or homicidal ideation. However, in talking with family members, they state that he made it quite clear that he had thoughts of harming other people, i.e. was going to cut mother’s throat, and also made verbal threats to his father here at St. Vincent’s.
Parents state that he has sniffed propane, glue, gasoline and almost any other drug that is possible. Parental concerns regarding satanism, devil worship.
Admission diagnosis: Suicidal/homicidal ideation.
9/4/92. Discharged from St. Vincent’s. Because of Damien’s threats, both parents do not feel that they wish to have him return to their home. They are frightened of him and what he can do, not only to them but to the other children who reside in the home (2 others). Damien is to return to Arkansas by bus.
9/14/92 to 9/28/92. Readmitted to Charter Hospital from Juvenile Detention Center. He admitted to sucking the blood out of a peer’s neck while in the Center. The other peers were afraid of him. Threats to kill both parents (slash throats, eat alive).
Presenting problem: Homicidal and psychosis. Alteration in thought processes evidenced by delusional thinking and inappropriate social behavior.
Progress notes: Belief in devil worship, has agreed to threatening to “kill” others. Bizarre behaviors. Stated he had attempted suicide before and “wasn’t worried about trying again, because I know I can come back.”
Says he’s going to eat father and that he needs to be locked up or he will hurt someone.
Peers complaining of Damien making growling sounds at them.
Continues talk of satanism. Possible deprogramming needed. Could be a danger to others.
Continues laughing strangely and getting peers to feed into his satanism. Tries to keep staff from seeing him do anything other than what’s appropriate according to unit guidelines. Depressed mood, bizarre behavior.
Said he was “happy to be here because otherwise he’d be in jail and this has to be better.”
Spoke with Jerry Driver re: Damien’s discharge to stepfather Jack Echols. Said this was “ok”.
Diagnosis: Psychotic Disorder NOS and Dysthymia. Prognosis: Poor.
1/5/93. Mental Health Center reopens case: Reports self-mutilation, cutting self with knives. Will “trance out” since 5th grade - doesn’t have to deal with what’s going on. Says he thinks a lot about life after death--”I want to go where the monsters go.” He admits being caught with satanic items, but denies cult involvement.
Is interested in witchcraft for the past 8 years. He has tried to steal energy from someone else and influence others’ minds with witchcraft. Describes self as “pretty much hates the human race.” Relates that he feels people are in two classes--sheep and wolves (wolves eat the sheep).
1/13/93: Damien reports that he’s very angry with family members and with other people who have “let him down”. He discussed issues of power & control. He states that he could make things happen. Affect and mood was flat.
1/19/93: Reveals history of abuse as he talked of how he was treated as a child. States, “I just put it all inside.” Describes this as more than just anger - like rage. Sometimes he does “blow up.” Relates that when this happens, the only solution is to “hurt someone.” When questioned on his feelings he states, “I know I’m going to influence the world. People will remember me.”
1/20/93: Damien is an 18 year old, recently discharged from Charter Hospital. He’s had three psychiatric hospitalizations. Each has been associated with anger, thoughts of killing others, and thoughts of killing himself.
1/25/93: Speaks of rituals, drinking blood, more involved in demonology. Damien explained that he obtains his power by drinking blood of others. He typically drinks the blood of a sexual partner or of a ruling partner. This is achieved by biting or cutting. He states, “It makes me feel like a god.”
Damien describes drinking blood as giving him more power and strength. He remembers doing this as far back as age 10. He wants very much to be all powerful. He wants very much to be in total control.
Damien relates that a spirit is now living with him. The spirit was put inside him last year. He indicates that a month ago, the spirit decided to become part of him and he to become part of the spirit. This is reportedly a spirit of a woman who was killed by her husband. In addition, he also reports conversations with demons and other spirits. This is achieved through rituals.
He denies that he’s satanic, seeing himself more as being involved in demonology.
Affect and mood today continued to be bland, although there was more emotion when talking about drinking blood.
2/5/93: Damien is noted to have cuts on his right arm and hand. Related that he cut himself as a way of permanently marking his skin. Related feeling very angry yesterday when running into previous girlfriend. “I controlled it - I can do anything.”
5/5/93: At times he is impulsive and does things that may be harmful to him. He has impulses to do strange and harmful things.
5/5/93: Christopher Byers, Steve Branch, and Michael Moore are murdered.
End of Summary.
As you can see, Damien himself spoke to people about "his ideas of Demonology". This was not a satanic ritual whatever. But to Damien, I repeat - to Damien, it appears that it may well have been, in his idea of what so called Demonology meant to him. Remember, he brought this up. There was no indication at the crime scene of any ritualistic anything and at the onset of the investigation, it was not considered in any way that I have ever heard or seen. It is a myth. The whole Satanic thing was brought in to the picture by the suspects own words, not evidence at the crime. It was used at the trial to show a "possible" motive. Which was difficult because Damien had a "mish-mash" of symbolism and beliefs from so many different ideas that it would be impossible to list them all. Some he even made up himself. A large part of it is included in the 500.
This is Damien Echols. Not a pretty picture. He is a seriously disturbed human being and violent human being. His own family was afraid of him.
I did see a few statements in this thread that I believe are answered here to some extent. This was NOT a satanic ritual killing. Damien was not targeted because of his belief system, type of music or the color of his clothes.
http://callahan.8k.com/wm3/desud.html
The above link is why and when Damien was first considered to be a suspect.
http://callahan.8k.com/wm3/dwe.html
The above link is the first time Damien came in to the police station to be interviewed.
pipelineaudio
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Sounds like a messed up kid.
Is there any evidence he did it? What about the other two?
Is there any evidence he did it? What about the other two?
Rolfe
Adult human female
That's a very strange place to begin. I would have imagined the place to begin would have been where you showed the evidence actually connecting him to the crime. However crazy, disturbed or otherwise maladjusted he was, it's irrelevant if there's nothing to connect him to the crime.
First things first.
Rolfe.
First things first.
Rolfe.
It's the only place he could have possibly begun, because it's the only reason the corrupt hick cops decided to force him into the role of the murderer: he was the sort of "evil" person that they WANTED to have committed this crime. It fit their ignorant preconceptions.
If you need to fake Satanic Ritual Abuse to get a guy convicted, you're wrong.
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I am willing to throw out 3, 4, 5 and 7 as they don't sound like much at all or are irrelevant, what about 1, 2 and 6?
Tying them to the scene:
http://callahan.8k.com/wm3/img/phyevi.html
The fibers info and what they used for the matches is on page 3 and 4 if I remember correctly.
I am working on this guys. I do not remember off the top of my head where every detail is located in the documentation available. I want to back up what I post but you will need to allow me to dig through. I haven't spoken to people this unaware of the facts of the case in a while now.
The mental health history is very relevant. Do you want the links to the testimony about it? You want links to books about just how relevant it is? Or can I just write that off as your opinion?
I am working on the physical evidence at this point but it takes a while to find the info on callahans site and I have a life. I am unable to drop everything just because you won't educate yourself. There is an enormous amount of documentation there. Needle in the haystack, know what I mean?
Whoever above: You can throw away any evidence you want. All supporters do. They have to. But I assure you. The judge won't.
http://callahan.8k.com/wm3/img/phyevi.html
The fibers info and what they used for the matches is on page 3 and 4 if I remember correctly.
I am working on this guys. I do not remember off the top of my head where every detail is located in the documentation available. I want to back up what I post but you will need to allow me to dig through. I haven't spoken to people this unaware of the facts of the case in a while now.
The mental health history is very relevant. Do you want the links to the testimony about it? You want links to books about just how relevant it is? Or can I just write that off as your opinion?
I am working on the physical evidence at this point but it takes a while to find the info on callahans site and I have a life. I am unable to drop everything just because you won't educate yourself. There is an enormous amount of documentation there. Needle in the haystack, know what I mean?
Whoever above: You can throw away any evidence you want. All supporters do. They have to. But I assure you. The judge won't.
pipelineaudio
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Its absolutely irrelevant unless you can actually place the guy at the scene of the crime. It could be a tipping point then, but it does nothing on its own to suggest he was the killer.
You pushed aside the question of YOUR alibi at the time, yet you would bring the exact same fallacy in as the defendants mental state?
http://www.wm3hoax.downonthefarm.org/board/index.php
The above site I can personally recommend. It is a non-supporter site and there are people on that site that are extremely educated in this case and know a lot of this stuff off the top of there head. They back up everything they say with the relevant documentation. They have no problem with people who are unaware of the case but are interested in educating themselves to form their own opinion. They follow this case on an almost daily basis. Anything printed in the media or on the news, they are aware of and discuss. They can point out all the misinformation about this case a lot better then I ever could.
For the record. There are a few of the parents of the victims who post there. They have access to people who are directly involved in this case. Just don't hound the parents. There are a lot of people who go on that site and hound one or more of the parents. That gets really ugly, really fast. The parents have been through and continue to go through this everyday. It was after all, their children tortured and murdered.
Farm can be rather abrasive. He owns the site so there's nothing you can do about him. However, he has never taken me in the wrong direction and has always shown me the most relevant documentation to answer any question I have ever had. He is almost an encyclopedia on this case. He is very good at pointing you to the documentation that will answer your questions and allow you to come to your own conclusions. He really is a great guy. Just has a very "colorful" way of expressing himself sometimes. Check it out. You won't regret it.
I will still be posting here as much as I can. It just takes me a while to find the relevant documentation. The site I linked to above, is just another great resource if you need or want one that I recommend.
The above site I can personally recommend. It is a non-supporter site and there are people on that site that are extremely educated in this case and know a lot of this stuff off the top of there head. They back up everything they say with the relevant documentation. They have no problem with people who are unaware of the case but are interested in educating themselves to form their own opinion. They follow this case on an almost daily basis. Anything printed in the media or on the news, they are aware of and discuss. They can point out all the misinformation about this case a lot better then I ever could.
For the record. There are a few of the parents of the victims who post there. They have access to people who are directly involved in this case. Just don't hound the parents. There are a lot of people who go on that site and hound one or more of the parents. That gets really ugly, really fast. The parents have been through and continue to go through this everyday. It was after all, their children tortured and murdered.
Farm can be rather abrasive. He owns the site so there's nothing you can do about him. However, he has never taken me in the wrong direction and has always shown me the most relevant documentation to answer any question I have ever had. He is almost an encyclopedia on this case. He is very good at pointing you to the documentation that will answer your questions and allow you to come to your own conclusions. He really is a great guy. Just has a very "colorful" way of expressing himself sometimes. Check it out. You won't regret it.
I will still be posting here as much as I can. It just takes me a while to find the relevant documentation. The site I linked to above, is just another great resource if you need or want one that I recommend.
I can't do that in two minutes. You want the documentation or shall I just make a list with nothing to back it up. Go to the site that contains all the documentation and look yourself. Otherwise you will have to wait. I have a life other then explaining this to you all. Remember, I agree with the verdict completely and am looking forward to Damiens execution. So, why would I be in a hurry. Why would I need to make things up and provide no documentation to back it up like every supporter site out there. I can back up what I say with documentation. It just takes a while. Can you? You are the one unwilling to dig through the documentation and find out about this case, not me. I have already done that. So give me a break. Or find someone else to do your homework and stay uninformed and support a guilty child killer like a blinded sheep. It's no skin off my back.
pipelineaudio
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I have a million dollars in my backyard, Ill share it with you if you send me 5000 for a shovel. I'll give you my top piece of evidence that its there: I have brown hair. Some other people with brown hair have a million dollars so obviously i have it.
I dont have time to prove it to you the rest of the way, but take my word, send me the five grand and I'll give you half the money I dig up
I dont have time to prove it to you the rest of the way, but take my word, send me the five grand and I'll give you half the money I dig up
pipelineaudio: whatever
Here;s an easy to find piece of the puzzle and then I'm done for the night. I remembered the url of this one.
Why would anyone confess AFTER they just got convicted, sentenced to three life terms, all while his lawyer pleads with then to "NOT DO THIS"?
Jesse Miskelley, Convicted on Feb 4 1994
The statement here was made on Feb 17 1994
Transcribed:
http://callahan.8k.com/wm3/jmfeb.html
Audio recording of the statement:
http://callahan.8k.com/wm3/audio.html
Here;s an easy to find piece of the puzzle and then I'm done for the night. I remembered the url of this one.
Why would anyone confess AFTER they just got convicted, sentenced to three life terms, all while his lawyer pleads with then to "NOT DO THIS"?
Jesse Miskelley, Convicted on Feb 4 1994
The statement here was made on Feb 17 1994
Transcribed:
http://callahan.8k.com/wm3/jmfeb.html
Audio recording of the statement:
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I can think of at least 2 reasons right off the top of my head
1) He's a dumbass. I think you yourself tried to prove this a few posts ago
2) He thought it might give some leniency
Back up your stating he's a dumb ass. Other then his role in a triple homicide.
He was well aware that the only thing he was being offered were use immunity a burger and a coke. He was already convicted and sentenced. Only a Judge can change the sentence. The DA does not have that authority after sentencing.
Also, could you show me where he, in the 17 years since the verdict, that Jesse Misskelley has recanted any of the numerous confessions that he has made? I ask because he hasn't.