Split Thread The atom bomb attacks on Japan were faked

Anders Lindman said:
The mushroom clouds over Hiroshima and Nagasaki must have been huge and been visible over vast areas of Japan for a long period of time, yet still, I haven't seen any amateur photographs of them taken by the Japanese people (who were much into photography even then). Not even photos or films from professional media teams in Japan at that time (except two dubious pictures). Where are all those photos? Gone? Not likely.
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You didn't look very hard. I did a google search and found 3 different photos on 2 sites.

http://www.richard-seaman.com/Trave.../DamageToCity/AtomicBombPhotosFromGround2.jpg
http://www.richard-seaman.com/Trave.../DamageToCity/AtomicBombPhotosFromGround1.jpg
http://www.tampabay.com/blogs/alleyes/content/hiroshima-atomic-bomb-anniversary-28-images (Scroll about halfway down).

Not to mention all the pictures of the damage and the people dead and injured from radiation poisoning. How did the USA fake those?
 
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Anders Lindman said:
The Pearl Harbor attack was a false flag attack in the sense that the Japanese government cooperated with the U.S. government, including helping the U.S. government to fake two atom bomb explosions. We ordinary people have been so gullible for so long. It's time to wise up a bit. Big lies all the way...
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Yep, they sure did, yes sirree! And FDR didn't really die, he's living on a raisin ranch with Hitler and Elvis.
 
Anders Lindman said:
The Manhattan Project conveniently happened to be completed just before WW2 was completely over. That's a bit suspicious imo (just like the first Apollo moon mission which in similarly timed fashion managed to be completed before the end of the decade in the late 60s just as JFK had promised. He was tricked by LBJ about a possible moon mission as I have mentioned in previous posts).

The mushroom clouds over Hiroshima and Nagasaki must have been huge and been visible over vast areas of Japan for a long period of time, yet still, I haven't seen any amateur photographs of them taken by the Japanese people (who were much into photography even then). Not even photos or films from professional media teams in Japan at that time (except two dubious pictures). Where are all those photos? Gone? Not likely. My guess is that there are no such real photos of the mushroom clouds because there were no clouds, and that the whole atom bomb thing at the end of the war was a hoax perpetrated by the U.S. government in cooperation with the Japanese government (the U.S. military helped the Japanese government to move the Soviet troops out of Japan at that time and thus prevented the country from being divided by an iron curtain with one half of Japan controlled by Communism).

An American who flew over Japan directly after the war said that the damage over Tokyo looked EXACTLY like the damage over Hiroshima. Why? I believe it was because Hiroshima was firebombed, just like Tokyo was.

If a real atom bomb was not possible to develop, the ILLUSION of such weapon would do almost as well (if not even better), and the illusion of the Soviet Union also having nuclear weapons a few years later helped to create the Cold War scam, which benefited both the U.S. government (military industrial complex) and the Soviet Politbureau.
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Please stop. You're on ignore now anyway.Good luck,and I hope you get professional medical help soon.
 
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Rich_C said:
You didn't look very hard. I did a google search and found 3 different photos on 2 sites.

Not to mention all the pictures of the damage and the people dead and injured from radiation poisoning. How did the USA fake those?
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I agree, they didn't. Plain and simple.
 
Cicero said:
At first the Japanese were skeptical that the destruction was caused by a nuclear device. They initially postulated that the Americans had scattered the sky above Hiroshima with magnesium, an explosive material, or that it was a liquid oxygen bomb with strong incendiary material. But after Dr. Yoshio Nishima and Lt. General Seizo Arisue flew over Hiroshima on August 8, they concluded it was indeed an atomic bomb.
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I will not defend this thread, but that was new to me. A kind of air fuel bomb? Maybe a dirty air fuel bomb (laden with radioactive material)? To fake an atom bomb explosion.

However, I believe the damage was caused by ordinary fire bombings, just like over Tokyo. Check this out:

When Philip Morris, went in to Japan very shortly after the war, he flew over Tokyo and all he could see was gray ash and broken gray roof tiles, and then they flew down to Hiroshima and all he could see was THE SAME KIND OF DAMAGE: gray ash and broken gray roof tiles. Wouldn't the kind of damage caused by an atom bomb look different than the damage caused by firebombing? If not, how do we know that what one source said is false, that papers in Japan reported that Hiroshima was firebombed by several aircraft on the day the so-called atom bomb went off.

Listen from about 0:54:20 in this video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QP8GWUe5hZQ
 
Does someone flying through the cloud after the attack count?
 
And I thought I've read some crazy conspiracy theories... This takes the cake...
 
Grizzly Bear said:
And I thought I've read some crazy conspiracy theories... This takes the cake...
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He he. At first this conspiracy theory about the atom bomb being a hoax may seem completely ludicrous. Something not even the most fringe tinfoil hat nutter would come up with. But it's actually not so incredible when looking at it more deeply. The Big Lie propaganda tactics, is more than just an idea. It's something actually being used by the rulers to manipulate the masses.
 
BaaBaa said:
Oh yeah?

http://www.reformation.org/port-chicago.html

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Port_Chicago_disaster)

Homeboy also believes in geocentric theory...
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Oh, no doubt Geocentric sounds a lot more loopy, I've said the same for flat earthers... but this guy is pretty much implying that not only did the bombings not take place, but that by extension nobody died from it. Although I fully believe many more people might have died without ending the war in such a fashion, I have wonder what kind, if any, respect that theory has for the people that got killed by in both. Trivializes the lives of those people way more than I'm comfortable with.
 
Anders Lindman said:
Wouldn't the kind of damage caused by an atom bomb look different than the damage caused by firebombing?
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The flash of heat from a nuclear weapon is sufficient to cause spontaneous combustion of common materials a significant distance from ground zero.This results in massive firestorms that blanket much of the target area.

Short version: Across much, if not most of a targeted city, the damage from a nuclear strike would appear identical to a conventional firebombing.

Anders Lindman said:
If not, how do we know that what one source said is false, that papers in Japan reported that Hiroshima was firebombed by several aircraft on the day the so-called atom bomb went off.
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Firebombing a major city in World War II took hundreds of aircraft, not several.
 
lionking said:
Anders, just out of interest, is there any CT you don't believe in?
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Yes, basically all the common conspiracy theories out there are a result of controlled opposition. Smokescreens to divert conspiracy believers into endless detours and cul-de-sacs.
 
Anders Lindman said:
Yes, basically all the common conspiracy theories out there are a result of controlled opposition. Smokescreens to divert conspiracy believers into endless detours and cul-de-sacs.
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It's working well don't you think. Here you are wasting your time in this particular detour and cul-de-sac instead of doing anything productive.
 
Anders Lindman said:
I'm going a bit off topic, but maybe not really since the supposed atom bomb leading to the Cold War was definitely a part of the larger plan that included the JFK assassination.

Check this out. This is hilarious. Watch the alleged atom bomb explosion over Hiroshima: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AtSt5XZ7fq4

Notice the fake shadows appearing on the clouds that have been painted into the film. But that's not the fun part. Notice the clouds before the explosion, and look at the same clouds after the explosion. The clouds are still there! Ha ha ha. :D Sturdy clouds! Not likely. Double-exposure of simulated explosion over real clouds more likely.
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As pointed out several times in the comments on that YouTube video, that is footage of the "Baker" test -under water detonation- in the lagoon of Bikini Atoll.

If you dispute that nuclear weapons in general exist please explain the cause of the "Castle Bravo" crater in the same atoll. Look at the movement of clouds when you do more YouTube research.

Hiroshima and Nagasaki:

Shadows - Based on the angle of "shadows" ingrained in some objects on the ground (in Hiroshima and over a wider area in Nagasaki) resulting from the almost immediate flash burn it was possible to calculate how high above both cities the atomic bombs had detonated. These "shadows" are themselves already evidence that an atomic bomb explosion (singular) occurred in each of the two cities. Unless you have evidence that a conventional weapon (singular) could cause that effect on August 6 and August 9, 1945 and could cause devastation on the same scale over the same area.

Exposures - What caused sealed x-ray stock film in Hiroshima's Red Cross Hospital, 1.6 kilometers from the Hypocenter, to be exposed on August 6, 1945? Conventional weapons don't have that effect on x-ray material.
 
Anders Lindman said:
.. broken gray roof tiles. Wouldn't the kind of damage caused by an atom bomb look different than the damage caused by firebombing?
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Yes, on close inspection.
The roof tiles in Hiroshima were in fact among the important pieces of evidence of the atomic bombings. They too pointed to radiation heat. How they -and even stone/granite objects- had been "scarred" and how deep the materials had been affected is very different from even the heat generated by the massive firebombing raids on other Japanese cities
 
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