Split Thread Common sense is innate

[Quiproquo]

There's your problem right there.

You do not believe in common sense?

Split from: Was global collapse of WTC inevitable?

Posted By: Gaspode

 

[Architect]

Quip, glad to see your reliance on "common sense" and "physics". Can I suggest you visit the thread on physics vs structural analysis?

 

[Grizzly Bear]

common sense is a logical fallacy, because there's no such thing as a common sense answer.

 

[Dave Rogers]

You do not believe in common sense?

Common sense is based on common experience. The collapse of 110-storey buildings is a sufficiently uncommon experience that common sense is very ill-equipped to deal with it. In fact, any behaviour of structures with a safety factor of only about three is this uncommon. That's why we need architects and structural engineers, rather than getting theologians and philosophers to design our buildings.

Dave

 

[excaza]

You do not believe in common sense?

A lot of things in physics (and science in general) are very counterintuitive for a lot of people when they lack previous education in the subject matter. A lesson I learned quickly when I started physics in high school.

Like the ruler fixed at one end with the coins on it and then released. Common sense (to someone with no physics knowledge) would dictate the coins stay with the ruler. They don't.

or this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BV7TPvk__kE What does 'common sense' tell you should happen?

 

[Quiproquo]

Common sense is based on common experience

No. Common sense is innate.

 

[Dave Rogers]

No. Common sense is innate.

Prove it.

Dave

ETA: Actually, forget it. You're saying that common sense is sufficient for understanding the WTC collapse, and that common sense is innate, so you're saying that a newborn baby is sufficiently equipped to analyse the collapses. To which I can only reply:

 

[excaza]

No. Common sense is innate.

Baloney. Common sense is based on experience.

 

[Newtons Bit]

Prove it.

Dave

He already didn't

 

[twinstead]

Who the hell would ever suggest that common sense is innate? I would submit that what may be innate is the ability for one person to be able to develop better common sense with experience, but without experience there can be NO common sense.

 

[excaza]

No. Common sense is innate.

If common sense is innate, why do I need to childproof everything in my house when I have a kid? Shouldn't the kid know not to stick a fork into the outlet?

 

[Quiproquo]

If common sense is innate, why do I need to childproof everything in my house when I have a kid? Shouldn't the kid know not to stick a fork into the outlet?

You are smart.

However, Developmental psychology does not use the term innate anymore (I forget which one they use, but I know they make the distinction).

So I still contend. Common sense is innate.

 

[Dave Rogers]

So I still contend. Common sense is innate.

So do you contend that a newborn baby is capable of predicting the collapse mecahnism of the WTC twin towers, or do you concede that common sense is inadequate for that purpose?

Dave

 

[Quiproquo]

So do you contend that a newborn baby is capable of predicting the collapse mecahnism of the WTC twin towers, or do you concede that common sense is inadequate for that purpose?

Dave

I contend that common sense tells us something is up, without any need for technical verbiage that no laymen can possibly know.

Just as any infant can learn language, that is grammar, any laymen can figure out that something is truly ********** up in the WTC tragedy.

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[excaza]

Just as any infant can learn language, that is grammar, any laymen can figure out that something is truly f##ed up in the WTC tragedy.

Yeah, a bunch of lunatics hijacked some planes and crashed them into buildings. Truly ********** up.

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[excaza]

So I still contend. Common sense is innate.

And, of course, you're going to support this with something other than your assertion, correct?

 

[Quiproquo]

And, of course, you're going to support this with something other than your assertion, correct?

I just did, excaza: the existence of grammar.

 

[1337m4n]

I am not betting my life on this

And therein is the problem. As long as you refuse to bet your life, you admit that there is room for doubt.

"A bet's only good when your life's the ante!" --Godot

If "common sense" were as powerful as you claim it to be, there would be no problem. But you--quite wisely--have chosen not to bet your life on "common sense".

Nor do structural engineers. Their job is to make sure buildings stay standing. If they fail, it means injury or death for many, many people. Therefore they do not trust in "common sense". They trust only in their mathematics and hard scientific data.

What's the largest desert in the world? "Common sense" tells you that the answer is the Sahara. The scientifically correct answer is actually Antarctica. Now unlike structural engineering, this question is purely trivial--it risks no one's life--but it demonstrates perfectly the ability of "common sense" to fail you. When lives are at stake, and you have time to plan ahead with calculations, it's not what structural engineers rely on.

 

[excaza]

I just did, excaza: the existence of grammar.

Except grammar is an artificial structure.

 

[Furcifer]

I contend that common sense tells us something is up, without any need for technical verbiage that no laymen can possibly know.

Just as any infant can learn language, that is grammar, any laymen can figure out that something is truly ********** up in the WTC tragedy

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Hehe, common sense tells us that the secret group of hundreds worked tirelessly for weeks on end to rig up the first ever silent controlled demolition on 2 of the largest buildings in the World and one ugly one fooling thousands of eye witnesses and millions watching on live television.

Do you think these things out first, or do you just blurt them out as they come to you?

If common sense is telling you things don't look right, common sense would also suggest you aren't in any position to know and should take advice on the matter from, let's say, a group of professionals trained in structural engineering.

You know, common sense would suggest you get that tooth fixed. Common sense would also suggest you get a dentist to do it.