Bigots oppose another NYC mosque

[T.A.M.]

those filthy Jews Muslims say they support freedom and equality, but they really support world domination and slavery!!

If the Jews Muslims try to take over the USA, they will be defeated!!!

Funny that.
...one nation under god...

You notice, it isnt ...one nation under jesus....

TAM

 

[leftysergeant]

They admit it on the website http://www.masnet.org/main/

They say they want to create a virtuous islamic nation, I have no intention to follow their "virtues" and force women to wear burqas and cut off the hands of criminals like many virtuous muslim nations do.

Actually, there is nothing in the Qur'an that requires all women to wear the burqa. It looks to me as though it was just the wives of the Messenger (p.b.u.h) who were required to set themselves apart.

BTW, the Qur'an also does not set the death penalty for adultery. It is clear to anybody with a 5th grade level of reading comprehension that the transgressors are intended to survive their punishment, even to marry eventuially (but not to a believer who has not also been convicted of adultery.)

I doubt that half the jackasses out protesting every mosque project in the country ever bothered to read the Qur'an.

Actually, I think that the one Islamic virtue that most scares the Republicans and Libertarians is the Muslim attitude toward usury.

How would those dirtballs at the hedge funds ever live? They might have to get McJobs! The horror!

 

[DC]

Actually, there is nothing in the Qur'an that requires all women to wear the burqa. It looks to me as though it was just the wives of the Messenger (p.b.u.h) who were required to set themselves apart.

BTW, the Qur'an also does not set the death penalty for adultery. It is clear to anybody with a 5th grade level of reading comprehension that the transgressors are intended to survive their punishment, even to marry eventuially (but not to a believer who has not also been convicted of adultery.)

I doubt that half the jackasses out protesting every mosque project in the country ever bothered to read the Qur'an.

Actually, I think that the one Islamic virtue that most scares the Republicans and Libertarians is the Muslim attitude toward usury.

How would those dirtballs at the hedge funds ever live? They might have to get McJobs! The horror!

are you Moslem now?

 

[DrBaltar]

when did New York City become the epicenter of anti-Muslim hatred?

Not sure, but this might have something to do with it.

 

[Cleon]

They admit it on the website http://www.masnet.org/main/

They say they want to create a virtuous islamic nation,

Their site says nothing of the sort. You are lying.

I have no intention to follow their "virtues" and force women to wear burqas and cut off the hands of criminals like many virtuous muslim nations do.

And nowhere on their site do they endorse forcing women to wear burqas or amputating the hands of criminals. That's you being dishonest again. (Specifically, it's called the "guilt by association" fallacy. Which you are guilty of in spades.)

 

[Cleon]

For years after 9/11, conservative commentators decried the lack of Muslim leaders willing to speak out against Muslim extremism. Well, here they are.

They've changed tactics. Instead of decrying the lack of Muslim leaders willing to speak out against Muslim extremism, they just accuse those who do so of being extremists themselves.

But of course, bigotry has nothing to do with it.

 

[T.A.M.]

Bigotry has always been there, but in the last 20 years it has become politically incorrect to be so. Now, as of late, it seems it is politically "tolerable" to be Bigoted about Muslims...so out it comes again.

I think many of us were under the misguided notion that some how America had changed. Well maybe America has, but that subset of America has not...they were just waiting for a climate to bring it back out.

TAM

 

[DC]

hey, its not the Bigots fault when THE Muslims blow up people.

 

[MattusMaximus]

They admit it on the website http://www.masnet.org/main/

They say they want to create a virtuous islamic nation, I have no intention to follow their "virtues" and force women to wear burqas and cut off the hands of criminals like many virtuous muslim nations do.

You know, it is possible for people to click that link and read for themselves. And, based upon what is there, your comments seem to be pure drivel.

 

[Thunder]

2001: "where are the moderate Muslims?????

2010: "Muslims who say moderate things are lying, and just practising Taqiyya!!"

Taqiyya is the Islamic practice of precautionary dissimulation whereby believers may conceal their Muslim faith when under threat, persecution or compulsion

 

[JoeTheJuggler]

Fantastic post. The left defends everything they see as being opposed to christianity, even if the ideology of islam that these mosques support would lead to the destruction of progressives.

You're just wrong.

I'm definitely on "the left" and my position has always been a strong advocate of separation of church and state and a strong advocate of freedom of religion.

In fact, I think my position on church/state separation and the issue of permitting the building of religious structures on privately owned land is typical of the position of "the left".

 

[A'isha]

They admit it on the website http://www.masnet.org/main/

They say they want to create a virtuous islamic nation, I have no intention to follow their "virtues" and force women to wear burqas and cut off the hands of criminals like many virtuous muslim nations do.

As others have already pointed out, right there on that very page they link to, it says:

PBS Segment highlights MAS Straight Path Initiative combating radicalization

Combating Extremism and Radicalization in American Muslim Communities.
The Straight Path Initiative is a long-term campaign aimed at engaging all components of the Muslim American community, with a special focus on youth ages 15-30. Read More

Clicking the read more link takes you here, which says the objectives of the Straight Path iBelong include:

* assist Muslim youth in their bicultural competence, i.e. effective communication between several cultural identities
* assist in the full integration in society while maintaining their Muslim identity

The second blog entry below that (entitled "Why I love my country") says, in part,

- Most Muslims love their country of origin, although their government may be doing horrible things. An Egyptian has no more right to love his country more than I have a right to love mine.

- This love does not stop us from speaking out and acting against injustices that are happening around us. However, to be authentic to our faith, we cannot only speak out against injustices that are happening to Muslims. The prophet did not advocate for justice only for Muslims; he was sent to stand up for Justice and mercy for everyone. That means recognizing and speaking out against injustice when it happens by Muslims against others (terrorism, oppression, rights of non Muslim minorities, etc..). It also means speaking out against injustices happening against other people who are not Muslims.

- Our recognition of the wrong in America does not mean that we should turn a blind eye to all the good that is in America. Like any other country, America is not perfect; but there is a lot of good in America. Some of this is good is well aligned with Islamic values: rights of minorities, freedom of religion, democracy (shura), respect for the rule of law, respect to others, fulfilling opportunities, willingness and desire to accept the truth, ability to change for the better, honesty, courage, hospitality, etc…

- In fact Islam recognized the good that the Meccans had, although they stood against the prophet in the beginning. There is often a section in Islamic history books that talk about why Allah chose Mecca to be a place to receive His message: generosity, strong belief, commitment, loyalty, strength, etc… Islam channeled this good in a better direction to become a more positive presence in the world. We must recognize the good that is in America, and not only look at the bad. To be fair, we should also use the same scale when we evaluate America as we would other countries. It is not fair to compare the worst of America with the best of Islamic history, or vice-versa.

In 2010, America’s ideals and principles are likely the closest that the human mind has come to divine guidance. This is in fact why Muslims often find it easier and more accommodating to practice our religion, and live our lives as Muslims in this beautiful land.

I join Infoexcavator in trembling in fear that these radical extremists are seeking build a site right here in the USA to spread their message of tolerance, freedom, cultural integration, and love for America and all it stands for. Those monsters.

 

[EatatJoes]

What do the protesters wish to accomplish with their protesting? Are they lobbying the government to step in and stop the construction of the building? Do they hope that their protests will discourage those who wish to build the mosque to not build it?

yes.

and yes.

Small government indeed...So much for the market place of ideas.

 

[Bob Blaylock]

I do not consider anyone protesting the mosque to have any moral authority or right to be heard unless they have participated in attempts to bulldoze the Westboro Baptist Church.

That is a known threat to American values..

Nor have the mouth-breathing morons who oppose the building of any new mosque in NYC the right to be respected as decent Americans, let alone "patriots" as some of the idiots seem to think themselves. The world could do very well without Breitbart and Geller, or that little toad Gingrich.

Fortunately, nobody looks to you to tell us who is and is not allowed to be considered a decent, patriotic American.

 

[fullflavormenthol]

But I have a 'feeling' that they're against it simply because it's Islam. I have no idea if the Muslim American Society advocates bad practices or not.

I have feeling they advocate Sharia in the same way that every Christian church advocates Biblical law. There is the minority that really mean it, and we all oppose them, and then there is the majority that support it in the sense that something supernatural would have to take place to force it because everyone is happy under the existing secular law.

 

[JoeTheJuggler]

I have feeling they advocate Sharia in the same way that every Christian church advocates Biblical law. There is the minority that really mean it, and we all oppose them, and then there is the majority that support it in the sense that something supernatural would have to take place to force it because everyone is happy under the existing secular law.

QFT.

 

[Toontown]

Strawman. I did not say building a mosque is assaulting and oppressing. In fact, I didn't say anything at all about building a mosque.


Do you lefties hallucinate when you read my posts? Because you always come up with some off the wall ******** question about something I didn't say.

oh i thought you oppose the conctruction of that Mosque. my fault. sorry.

And what if I am not exactly thrilled at the building of yet another monument to ignorant mystical gullibility? Will that be all the pretext you need to indulge in your own form of bigotry by once again calling me a bigot?

There is a church going up near where I live, at an abandoned Walmart site. I don't like that waste of money and resources for the sole purpose of brainwashing and money extraction either. The place is already crawling with churches.

So there's you some more ammo you can mususe the "B" word with. Don't forget to thank me when you shoot it off.

BTW, if the definition of "bigotry" has suddenly and conveniently morphed into opposition to a religion or an ideology, then what would that make you?

and do you normally categorize all people in to left and right in a debate? and why is this?

Red herring.

Strike two.

 

[Toontown]

Fantastic post. The left defends everything they see as being opposed to christianity, even if the ideology of islam that these mosques support would lead to the destruction of progressives.

Oh, there is much more to neo-progressivism than mere opposition to Christianity.

http://www.telospress.com/main/index.php?main_page=news_article&article_id=288

"Bernard-Henri Lévy's new book is annoying as a memoir but, when carefully read and pieced together, devastating as an indictment. Getting there will require the reader's determination. Take the time to get past stylistic self-indulgence, forgive some hyperbole, patch up a few logical gaps, and what's left is still essential reading. It uncloaks the most disturbing political trend of our time: the rise of a new absolutist ideology, one that is global, anti-liberal, anti-American, anti-Semitic, and pro-Islamofascist, and despite being irreligious is also—and this will require explanation—anti-secular.

Oxymoronic Left, new barbarism, neoprogressivism, red fascism—Lévy does not keep to a single name for it. What he does make clear is that it is emerging from the cadaverous Left, the "backward falling corpse" (which was the book's French title). Now revivified, the zombie Left stalks liberal society. It's more than a patchwork of dead ideas. It's an energized, totalitarian mass movement, marching stiffly, arms stretched forward, into the twenty-first century."

But I should add that the typical liberal in an internet political forum is not a neoprogressive of the "new barbarian" ilk. It's just that many leftist ideologues and bloggers are neoprogressives, and do influence the liberals.

 

[DC]

And what if I am not exactly thrilled at the building of yet another monument to ignorant mystical gullibility? Will that be all the pretext you need to indulge in your own form of bigotry by once again calling me a bigot?

There is a church going up near where I live, at an abandoned Walmart site. I don't like that waste of money and resources for the sole purpose of brainwashing and money extraction either. The place is already crawling with churches.

So there's you some more ammo you can mususe the "B" word with. Don't forget to thank me when you shoot it off.

BTW, if the definition of "bigotry" has suddenly and conveniently morphed into opposition to a religion or an ideology, then what would that make you?



Red herring.

Strike two.

i surely would favor they would build a good school or a library or something more useful than a building to worship a fantasy creature.
Most people oppose it because they lump all Muslims into the same category as Al Queda or similar fanatical groups. That is bigotry.

and still, one can be against Religions and its dogmas, but still respect other peoples right to worship what ever they want and build a building for it. outlawing religion is as bigoted as outlawing atheism.

And i knew your Left-Right nonsense is a red herring, but i wondered if you do that with everyone. and why? why do you use that red herring?

 

[leftysergeant]

Fortunately, nobody looks to you to tell us who is and is not allowed to be considered a decent, patriotic American.

Wait a minute. Are you saying that it is possible that Geller and Breitbart are decent people? Or that Gingrich represents true American patriots?