Detax Canada

[ria_rokz]

The bigger question is: Why are you here? You are obviously happy with your slave chains firmly attached to your ankles. If you have read all the posts of ALL the other posters on this thread, you will see that they have judged, to a man or woman, that Eldon Warman is a 'Nut Job' and his website is a thing of great comedial content.

Actually, as someone who has read through the entire thread fairly recently (yesterday), I find Eldon Warman to be someone who:
*avoids questions that he cannot answer
*defines words to suit his purposes
*resorts to name-calling when proven wrong
*has some pretty bizarre beliefs when it comes to history
*encourages others to be sponges in their society

These do not all necessarily add up to "nut job".

 

[ria_rokz]

Well, from my perspective, there is not going to be such an apocalyptic event, but it surely looks like this round of fiat currency is going to blow away with the wind. A Russian acquaintance tells me that he and his family would have had a desperate time living in Russia/USSR after the fiat Ruble collapsed if his grandfather had not had a stash of gold coins. His share got him and his family (children and parents) to Canada. And, most farmers would sell vegetables (especially the Huttarites) for gold, regardless the circumstance of the economy.

I like your grand generalizations, and now you've brought Hutterites into it. How do you know this? Have you asked them, "In the case of an economical meltdown, would you take gold for your vegetables even if gold is worthless?" Are you just speculating? And even so, why does it matter what the Hutterites would do? My perspective based on the Hutterite colonies up here is that they are much smarter than that, and would trade their vegetables for things that they could actually use to support their families. That is, if they had enough to spare.

My father is a farmer, and I have grown up in a community of farmers, and there is noooo way they would sell their grain or beef for gold if gold was worthless. They have families to feed too.

 

[Blue Mountain]

Aww, Eldon got suspended again, this time for a month.

Although I must say he did much better than expected this time around. I said he'd be suspended within three days, and he lasted 13 (October 11 to 24th).

 

[ria_rokz]

Aww, Eldon got suspended again, this time for a month.

Although I must say he did much better than expected this time around. I said he'd be suspended within three days, and he lasted 13 (October 11 to 24th).

I just noticed that he got suspended. And I just got going on the thread too! Oh well, I have enough homework over the next month that I don't need to be wrapped up in a debate like this. I actually spent a weeeee bit too much time on the forum this weekend... heh heh.

 

[LightinDarkness]

Even though Eldon has been suspended (again), can we get an update on his tax dodging method - it appeared all he was doing was simply filing a fraudulent return claiming he owed no taxes or an amount under what could be taxed, then declaring victory when he didn't pay taxes.

For those of us operating in reality, all this means is that he lied to the revenue collection agency: he may indeed get away with it depending on how much his real income is, since tax collectors tend to go after the big fish in the pond first.

So instead of "lawfully not paying taxes he doesn't owe" hes really just "telling a lie on my tax forms and hoping I don't make enough to get audited or draw attention."

 

[Hans]

Spain uses the Euro - totally fiat.

The only thing that could inflate prices in a metal based economy is a scarcity of some specific goods, causing an auction effect.

Nope, if you have any knowledge of metal based currency you would know what I was referring to. I was speaking of the effect on Spain on bringing in tons of gold and silver from their colonies in the new world.

With disasterous results. You might want to read about reality.That is if you ever come back from you suspension.

 

[Horatius]

Even though Eldon has been suspended (again), can we get an update on his tax dodging method - it appeared all he was doing was simply filing a fraudulent return claiming he owed no taxes or an amount under what could be taxed, then declaring victory when he didn't pay taxes.

For those of us operating in reality, all this means is that he lied to the revenue collection agency: he may indeed get away with it depending on how much his real income is, since tax collectors tend to go after the big fish in the pond first.

So instead of "lawfully not paying taxes he doesn't owe" hes really just "telling a lie on my tax forms and hoping I don't make enough to get audited or draw attention."

I think this exchange sums it up:

So, maybe you can clear something up for me - how is any of this different from them just lying about their income? Is anyone really surprised that someone with a declared income of $3500 had no tax owing?

Maybe you could further explain for all here what you mean by: "about their income" ??

What is "income" ??

A man exchanging his labour for what is supposed to represent money, the Canadian Monopoly money, is an exchange. There is no gain or increase to the working man. One of the very few court cases one can find was a 1921 US Court case, where 'income' was defined as a gain or profit of a corporation. Nowhere does any Statute say that 'income' is a free man's wages. I would cite a Canadian court case - if one could be found defining 'income' as being a man's wages.

Queen Victoria certainly didn't think it was income subject to taxation in 1870. (An Act to abolish Attachment of Wages: {14th July 1870} )

So it's not just lying about your income, it's also equivocating about the definition of the word "income". Gotcha!

 

[twinstead]

If you are so readily convince by fallacy, then, I suppose that is your choice. Have you checked out where those 'brilliant economists' went to school and learned their fantasies?

I'm be more concerned about where you went to school and learned your fantasies, so I can warn people away from it.

 

[ArmillarySphere]

Nope, if you have any knowledge of metal based currency you would know what I was referring to. I was speaking of the effect on Spain on bringing in tons of gold and silver from their colonies in the new world.

Indeed. They pretty much vanished as a force to be reckoned with for a couple of hundred years after that.

 

[ria_rokz]

Even though Eldon has been suspended (again), can we get an update on his tax dodging method - it appeared all he was doing was simply filing a fraudulent return claiming he owed no taxes or an amount under what could be taxed, then declaring victory when he didn't pay taxes.

For those of us operating in reality, all this means is that he lied to the revenue collection agency: he may indeed get away with it depending on how much his real income is, since tax collectors tend to go after the big fish in the pond first.

So instead of "lawfully not paying taxes he doesn't owe" hes really just "telling a lie on my tax forms and hoping I don't make enough to get audited or draw attention."

Yes, I think so. It merely comes down to lying about your income.

It also appears that his "strawman" theory his just a load of fluff that he uses to fill people's heads with. He even implied that he had been in contact with Hanna prior to his leaving Canada, so there must have been some coaching going on there. Anyone who has tried it up to this point has been laughed out of court. At least, when I was trying to find the affidavit for the Hanna case it was this big joke all over the internet in 2006 and posted on weird news sites and attributed to foolish people.

 

[Hans]

I saw an excellent PHd thesis that pointed out that to date the Spanish have not recovered from the disaster of receiving tons of gold and silver and spending it - oddly enough much of the money flowed into the pockets of the English, Dutch and French - who used it to create their own colonial empires and beat the 'stuff' out of the Spaniards. The inflation of that period was well over 300%. In a brief search I couldn't find a good graph of the inflation from the 1540 to today - any finance people have that?

 

[ria_rokz]

This may not be the best place to discuss this but the detaxcanada website has this at the top:

We are anticipating the soon appearance of the
100th MONKEY who uses the Detax Canada method
of filing a $0.00 Tax Owing Return of Income.
Will 'YOU' be the 100th Monkey ?

http://www.detaxcanada.org

When you mouseover 100th Monkey, it links to this site Hundredth Monkey but that's not the origin of the hundredth monkey story, although apparently this Keyes fellow believed in it.

I was reading a book on skepticism lately that talks about the 100th monkey and only by reading the theory behind it, I was pretty sure it was hogwash. Upon further exploration, I find that it is attributed to Rupert Sheldrake, a fellow who seems to be a biologist but prefers metaphysics to science. It is just as a suspected, hogwash.

The other flaw with Warman's argument re: the hundredth monkey is that even if the phenomenon is real, we can be nowhere near the hundredth one... there is only one monkey, and it's a questionable one at that.

 

[drkitten]

Actually, as someone who has read through the entire thread fairly recently (yesterday), I find Eldon Warman to be someone who:
*avoids questions that he cannot answer
*defines words to suit his purposes
*resorts to name-calling when proven wrong
*has some pretty bizarre beliefs when it comes to history
*encourages others to be sponges in their society

These do not all necessarily add up to "nut job".

I thought that "has some pretty bizarre beliefs" was pretty much the definition of "nut job."

To be fair, you should also recognize that he has some pretty bizarre beliefs when it comes to politics and law, too.

 

[arayder]

Yes, I think so. It merely comes down to lying about your income.

It also appears that his "strawman" theory his just a load of fluff that he uses to fill people's heads with. He even implied that he had been in contact with Hanna prior to his leaving Canada, so there must have been some coaching going on there. Anyone who has tried it up to this point has been laughed out of court. At least, when I was trying to find the affidavit for the Hanna case it was this big joke all over the internet in 2006 and posted on weird news sites and attributed to foolish people.

If one can hide one’s income one might make it work. If all you are getting is cash in hand and you don’t live too large I suppose you can fly under the taxman’s radar. But Eldon doesn’t seem to have and answer for, or even care about, folks whose employers report their income.

A few years ago a guy named Brian Lockheart got on the now defunct guest book at Warman’s website and begged for help after he used Warman’s old “constructive notice” method and as prescribed he notified the agency that his income was not theirs to tax. It seems the CRA caught on when his employer’s reported his income and Lockheart was reassessed.

Warman called him a fool who had not used his method correctly and eased the message so the failure of his method won’t have any tracks.

At his website he now has some mumbo jumbo about getting around the problem, but it makes even less sense that his usual stuff.

 

[ria_rokz]

I thought that "has some pretty bizarre beliefs" was pretty much the definition of "nut job."

To be fair, you should also recognize that he has some pretty bizarre beliefs when it comes to politics and law, too.

Ah, fair enough. Also when it comes to linguistics! I just didn't want him to put words in my mouth - I seriously didn't consider him to be a "nut job".

I suppose I was trying to respect people with mental illnesses. I know people who fit all of the criteria I described, and yet are not actually mentally ill. They are just selfish and lack good critical thinking skills. My father-in-law comes to mind (he's a 9/11 CTist because he watched a video about how it was a controlled demolition and suddenly he's a demolition expert).

 

[ria_rokz]

If one can hide one’s income one might make it work. If all you are getting is cash in hand and you don’t live too large I suppose you can fly under the taxman’s radar. But Eldon doesn’t seem to have and answer for, or even care about, folks whose employers report their income.

As far as I know, Hanna was self-employed. Plus, he lived in the Yukon, so how much further under the radar can you get!

 

[ria_rokz]

Of course, he probably made some other rookie mistake that we are unaware of.

 

[D'rok]

I just noticed that he got suspended. And I just got going on the thread too! Oh well, I have enough homework over the next month that I don't need to be wrapped up in a debate like this. I actually spent a weeeee bit too much time on the forum this weekend... heh heh.

Way to push Eldon over the edge, new kid!

 

[ria_rokz]

Way to push Eldon over the edge, new kid!

lol Wow, I'm the new kid! Yeah, he was pretty mean to me, I must have found a button. I know it says not to push it but I just couldn't help myself.

 

[arayder]

The thought process used by our subject to agree to the rules of this forum and then disregard them is the same mental gymnastics used to rationalize the enjoyment of services paid for by tax money without ever paying one’s own taxes.

Our subject also tells us that because money isn’t real it’s perfectly all right to run out on a loan and steal donuts off the shelf at Tim Horton’s!

The real self-developed rule applied by our subject is that he is not required to honor any law or commonly accepted code of behavior that inconveniences him.