Video Fakery in the 9/11 Attack

[Anders Lindman]

I found this video about the no plane theory: http://www.livevideo.com/video/7A57CF1D477E4A34BA6C4137F192010B/911-no-plane-theory-ace-baker.aspx

The presenter mentioned this forum in the beginning of the video. So I thought that could be of interest to some of you. I will watch the rest of the video now.

 

[Anders Lindman]

In the video I posted the image freezes in the middle of it, at least for me. Here is the same debate:

Part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJDjb-qeOac

Part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mx7B3EfJNHs

Part 3: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Menu6HcTWk

 

[Sabretooth]

You are either a very bad liar or a very sick man.

Your claim that people trust the mass media has been proven wrong. The rational thing to do is to retract your statement and change your conclusion accordingly.

Yeah. Never understood that part of truther logic. The media can't be trusted, but utube is ok?

 

[Anders Lindman]

Here is the Hardfire second show:

2-1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bqJ4kSkGDyY

2-2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TSKD2Go_Hz4

2-3: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJ_PYWFAl2U

 

[Bell]

Here is the Hardfire second show:

2-1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bqJ4kSkGDyY

2-2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TSKD2Go_Hz4

2-3: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJ_PYWFAl2U

Ace Baker is bat crap crazy. He believes a Direct Energy Weapon destroyed the World Trade Center. He also faked his own suicide.

 

[Anders Lindman]

Ace Baker is bat crap crazy. He believes a Direct Energy Weapon destroyed the World Trade Center. He also faked his own suicide.

Suicide? Isn't this his website: http://www.acebaker.com/

Oh, pseudocide, not real suicide I found on Wikipedia:

On January 5, 2009, Baker committed pseudocide while on "The Real Deal". He appeared very upset regarding what he considered unfair treatment of him by other members of the 9/11 truth movement, many of whom he considers to be disinformation agents. He made references to his deceased parents and left the line. Moments later a gunshot was heard. Baker later referred to it as "performance art."

 

[Bell]

Suicide? Isn't this his website: http://www.acebaker.com/

Oh, pseudocide, not real suicide I found on Wikipedia:

What part of "faked his own suicide" did you fail to comprehend?

 

[Anders Lindman]

Here is a statement from Wayne Gretzky, who knew Garnet Bailey, one of the Flight 175 victims.

"Ace may have not been the greatest athlete to play in the NHL, but he taught many players how to be champions, and more importantly, he was a winner as a person," Gretzky said in a statement released by the Phoenix Coyotes.

Gretzky considered Bailey a good friend and was said to be upset by the events. He had called Bailey's widow, Kathy, upon hearing the news.

From: http://www.usatoday.com/sports/hockey/stories/2001-09-06-kings-scouts.htm

That's official enough for me. I'm still not convinced that Flight 175 really crashed into the South Tower though.

OR, this is a sensitive subject I know, but could it be that Garnet Bailey is a completely fictitious person, a sheer media concoction? A real life Wag the Dog case?

 

[Anders Lindman]

Photoshopped image?

From: http://www.gamewornauctions.net/products/Garnett_Ace_Bailey_Autographed_Color_Postcard-1700-62.html

 

[Anders Lindman]

If the below collector card is genuine, then that's what it looks like when done without digital image editing software:

 

[Anders Lindman]

Ace Baker is bat crap crazy. He believes a Direct Energy Weapon destroyed the World Trade Center. He also faked his own suicide.

Excuse me, but that has very little to do with the evidence he presents. Let's focus on the message rather than the messenger.

 

[beachnut]

Excuse me, but that has very little to do with the evidence he presents. Let's focus on the message rather than the messenger.

His message is moronic insanity. Like your ideas on 911; to you Baker's delusional ideas are reality because you prefer fantasy. Evidence, 911 truth has no clue what evidence is, just like you.

You have no clue what happen on 911 and are diverging from reality faster than free-fall.

You have beat this insane claim into stupid-ville, why not share your next idiotic lie on 911; What about flight 93, when will you pervert that tragedy into a moronic farce?

 

[Anders Lindman]

His message is moronic insanity. Like your ideas on 911; to you Baker's delusional ideas are reality because you prefer fantasy. Evidence, 911 truth has no clue what evidence is, just like you.

You have no clue what happen on 911 and are diverging from reality faster than free-fall.

You have beat this insane claim into stupid-ville, why not share your next idiotic lie on 911; What about flight 93, when will you pervert that tragedy into a moronic farce?

Actually, I'm not convinced that Baker's evidence is any proof of no planes. My point is that dismissing information just because it is presented by some particular person may be practical in some cases but not always.

 

[stewster89]

Hey can i ask you anders...

what was the first bit of evidence that you saw that convinced you that no planes hit the WTC... where did you get that hypthosis from?

Cheers

 

[Anders Lindman]

Let's say that this is from an original amateur video recording: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yLPeuJ4ni8U

Would that have made you believe there was no plane hitting the building? I don't think so. People believe CNN, not some amateur videos.

Notice that the person who uploaded this video claims that the video is faked.

I'm not so sure. Notice how the flash that appears at the beginning of the impact remains intact. How can the plane have been edited out and the flash remained intact? Sure, the flash could have been re-added with the video editing software but somehow I doubt that some prankster would pay attention to such fine detail. What is the flash? A time and position marker, probably produced by a magnesium flare or something similar. Of course.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yLPeuJ4ni8U

 

[stewster89]

Do you ever just give up????

Your basing your assertion that there were no planes upon a video from youtube in which the posters states that it is fake.... Im not sure theres even a term for that..

Could you please ansewer my question
What is your key cornerstone piece of evidence that led you to believe that there were no planes..



Hint
Dont ansewer Gut Feeling

 

[Anders Lindman]

Hey can i ask you anders...

what was the first bit of evidence that you saw that convinced you that no planes hit the WTC... where did you get that hypthosis from?

Cheers

I don't remember exactly. For a very long time I thought of the no plane theories as crazy ideas. Then for some reason I starting looking at the no plane ideas more closely. Could have been after I saw a slow motion close up video with the plane gliding into the WTC tower as if the building was made of thin air. That looked suspicious to me.

 

[Anders Lindman]

Do you ever just give up????

Your basing your assertion that there were no planes upon a video from youtube in which the posters states that it is fake.... Im not sure theres even a term for that..

Could you please ansewer my question
What is your key cornerstone piece of evidence that led you to believe that there were no planes..



Hint
Dont ansewer Gut Feeling

The more concrete things were the missing jet engines and black boxes.

 

[Jack by the hedge]

The no risk time frame was only two days or so. After that the public had been firmly programmed to believe that there were real planes involved, and no video evidence would be able to make them change their opinion about that for many years to come.

Congratulations. You are the living proof that what you just said is not true.

This fantasy of yours doesn't even qualify as a house of cards: Several of the cards are plainly missing, it's built on thin air and the actual evidence sits like an anvil balanced delicately on top.

 

[Dave Rogers]

I don't remember exactly. For a very long time I thought of the no plane theories as crazy idea. Then for some reason I starting looking at the no plane ideas more closely.

Did that coincide with a change in medication?

Dave