NEADS in Rome NY was patheticly equipped.

[danrush]

I've finished listening to the 6 hours of the MCC channel 2 battle recording from 9/11 and did some research on the material conditions of the Rome NY facility itself.

From a technological view...our Air Force people were stabbed in the back. Pathetic communications, antique radar tracking equipment, those green glowing, vaccum tube powered pieces of Doctor Stranglove crap they were using for tracking aircraft that day?

The fact that the 1st Air Force's budget was slashed in the mid-90's by the Clinton Administration who reasoned, correctly for the time, that the cold war was over and we didn't need a huge on snap alert fighter scramble system any more doesn't hide the fact that NEADS was abysmally equipped to handle the day's madness. It was thrown to the backwater and alowed to fall apart.

What ticks me off more is that these truthers don't show NEADS pre-911 condition, many times they show the condition that exists today...well after Congress funded a massive system overhaul after the attacks.

Another point of argument you can throw at these people.

 

[Dave Rogers]

Believe us, we've tried. It's kind of an article of faith among truthers that the air defence system in place on 9/10/2001 was virtually perfect. If they concede that it had weaknesses, then they might have to concede that terrorists could exploit those weaknesses. If you try to tell them that there was anything less than 100% radar coverage over all the USA and squadrons of fighters armed, fuelled, manned and ready to scramble, they stick their fingers in their ears and start humming loudly. The phrase "peace dividend" means nothing to them.

Dave

 

[T.A.M.]

Dan:

Welcome to the boards. I have found your posts both informative and rational.

I have coined this issue of truthers Expecting the system/institutions to run like it was 2019, "jack bauer" fallacy. They have this totally inaccurate view of govt institutions, etc...as being these supersophisticated, superpowerful entities that were impenetratible on 9/11. It is e same argument they are using when they make a statement like,

"how did 19 arabs from caves beat the most powerful military defense system in the world."

Trust me, you nor i will ge through to them.

TAM

 

[CompusMentus]

Im in the middle of the "Touching History" book by Lynn Spencer. It gives some broad insight to the actions of NORADS NEADS etc and how these shortcomings were exposed on that day.

Recommended.

Compus

 

[cooperman]

"Is this real world or exercise"

 

[KDLarsen]

"Is this real world or exercise"

"Not an excercise, not a test".

Where's the problem?

 

[T.A.M.]

"Is this real world or exercise"

Is this socrates, Mark of Woo, or dirty laundry?

TAM

 

[beachnut]

"Is this real world or exercise"

Making fun of the military? Is this one of your junk ideas that supports your inside job delusions?

Maybe you can support his jet engine parts are Plymouth wheel-covers delusion.

 

[Humanzee]

Does 'Touching History' speak much about the post 9-11 upgrades? I haven't read (and to be honest, searched) much about them. Or is there a better source for the changes that where made?

Thanks -H

 

[Java Man]

From a technological view...our Air Force people were stabbed in the back. Pathetic communications, antique radar tracking equipment, those green glowing, vaccum tube powered pieces of Doctor Stranglove crap they were using for tracking aircraft that day?

...

What ticks me off more is that these truthers don't show NEADS pre-911 condition, many times they show the condition that exists today...well after Congress funded a massive system overhaul after the attacks.

Another point of argument you can throw at these people.

So you're telling us the Russians could have invaded the US with two commercial jetliners?

 

[Humanzee]

Would Russians launch an attack from inside the US?

 

[Java Man]

Would Russians launch an attack from inside the US?

They wouldn't have to, at Mach 2.5 the difference between impact one and impact two is aprox 765km worth.

 

[beachnut]

They wouldn't have to, at Mach 2.5 the difference between impact one and impact two is aprox 765km worth.

OH?

 

[fess]

"Is this real world or exercise"

No, it is total unadulterated bovine defecation, at the very best!

 

[Humanzee]

Er...ok. A Russian attack would have involved unidentified planes flying unknown flight paths from some distance outside US borders. Not really a good comparison to what occurred on 9/11.
I kinda don't see it Java. Maybe I am missing something.

 

[Java Man]

OH?

Sorry, my bad 478 miles. Hope that clears it up for you.

 

[Humanzee]

ya know...nvm. So many people better than I have made cases better than I could have in regards to this. I was only curious about the upgrades that have been made.

eta: specifically beachnut and others.

 

[Humanzee]

It just seems silly to equate hijacks within our borders to a soviet invasion

 

[Java Man]

Er...ok. A Russian attack would have involved unidentified planes flying unknown flight paths from some distance outside US borders. Not really a good comparison to what occurred on 9/11.
I kinda don't see it Java. Maybe I am missing something.

Those unidentified planes would have a smaller radar cross section than a jet liner. The wouldn't have a transponder on either. And would be doing their best to fly below radar.

As a reference that distance is equivalent of the distance from Nova Scotia to New York. And that's just the time difference between the two strikes. If we take the time between hijacking and impact of the first flight (about 30 min), that's 1350 km (that's 840 miles beachnut). That's like Bermuda to New York.

And they couldn't scramble to that? Lets clarify this. If unidentified planes were detected over Bermuda the response time would not be enough to stop two Mig-25 from dropping steel bombs on Central Park.

 

[ProBonoShill]

It just seems silly to equate hijacks within our borders to a soviet invasion

Yes it does, but it's to be expected from a truther.

How's that theory coming Java Man?