Saggy can you read? Did you see the question, repeated over and over?
Or are you too much of a moral coward to answer it?
Do you think it a good thing or a bad thing that the holocaust never happened?
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There is not a single mass grave of holohoax victims.
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Saggy can you read? Did you see the question, repeated over and over?
Or are you too much of a moral coward to answer it?
Do you think it a good thing or a bad thing that the holocaust never happened?
You should get out more. It was a best seller when published and was translated into many languages. It sold over 7 million copies. Apparently it is still a best seller in many counties ...e.g.
http://www.windsofchange.net/archives/006690.html
bruto
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The time to start worrying is when he doesn't want to hurt you.
Two hectares of human ash and remains forensically verified at Treblinka. You refuted your own claim with a reference to this evidence hundreds of posts ago.
Taken as an admission of your shortfalls in this thread.
And yet for all your bluster, Saggy, you've been unable to actually debunk any of Nick's stuff. Amazing.
Sagggy and Dogzilla can never compete with Nick until they rise to the level of scholarly standards that Nick is using -- which is basic historical method. This means, frankly, that they never will compete on the same level. The only question is, when will they realize that they have lost in this thread on every level of argument?
The United States let American citizens of Japanese ancestry live within the borders of the US during wartime even though they too were declared enemies of the state.
It's not always necessary to kill all your enemies or suspected enemies or potential enemies.
We know that the interned Japanese Americans were released after the war.
Where did the interned Jews go after the war?
Saggy refuses to answer this question but perhaps you are more honest:
do you think it a good thing or a bad thing that the holocaust didn't happen?
OK, I give up. I yield to your intellectual superiority. I am humbled. I am emasculated. I can't explain all these documents in any way except as explicit proof of a unique attempt by Nazi Germany to exterminate every single Jew in the world.
So, where are those bodies?
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You could always read about where the bodies were, and you have, but you have not believed what you read. If you were to actually yield to the intellectual superiority of everyone who has ever studied it seriously, or even of the people who lived through it first hand, you would know the answer. However, you arrogantly proclaim that all of them have failed to understand that which is so obvious to you.
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Which demonstrates the rather substantial difference between the Rooseveldt administration and the Hitler administration.
On the other hand, the very fact that the internment camps existed demonstrates that the difference between the two societies was not as great as we would like it to be.
And of course, your description of what was declared about Japanese Americans is rather controversial, but that's a minor point.
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No mass graves of holocaust victims large enough to hold all the bodies were shown earlier in this thread or anywhere on this thread or anywhere on any thread on any web discussion forum or any usenet discussion board ever anywhere on the internet since the beginning of the internet or published in any book or newspaper or magazine or any pamphlet or greeting card or shown on television or in any movie or described in any radio broadcast ever at all since 1945 until this very minute. Never. None.
You have described "forensic" reports which have never been made available. You have shown photographs that may or may not be mass graves at places that may or may not be the camps which are too small to prove anything.
That's why Saggy and I always win.
If you and Saggy always win surely answering my simple question should be a doddle.
Do you think it a good thing or a bad thing that the holocaust didn't happen?
OK troll, where are the two hectares of human ash and forensically verified remains? Show us the report.
My goodness, we appear to agree on something at last.
I already answered. It's good when perception and reality are in sync. Since everybody thinks the holocaust happened, it's a bad thing that it didn't. It would be better, however, if everybody knew that it hadn't.
Actually, we've won on every level. All of Nick's stream of consciousness can be answered with a condescending smile and a "That's nice, dear. Now, where are the bodies?"
You mean that the lack of bodies nullifies all the other mindless blather?
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But let's ask you 'OK, now what?' Just for the sake of argument. You know full well I and others won't actually go 'gosh, you are so right', but let's pretend. You win. Now what?
What I truly don't understand is the logic of fussing over the size of mass graves. The denier argument doesn't go anywhere. The graves are supposedly too small therefore what?
Such a claim doesn't bring anyone back to life. It doesn't prove anything, doesn't tell us what happened to the victims, doesn't point us in any direction for further investigation, doesn't substantiate any significant theory. It is purely negative, and argued most often simply out of spite and malice, as a symbolic desecration and defamation of the dead.
Evidently, you're quite content to go 'ha! gotcha!' and sit back smugly ignoring the fact that millions of people are still missing, and you haven't done a single thing to find them.
This indifference and lack of follow-through, this refusal to even try to explain what happened, or even to come up with a testable hypothesis about what happened, is why denial is essentially nihilistic.
That immediately casts severe doubt on the plausibility of the claims made by deniers regarding the mass grave sites (or cremation facilities), even if we ignore for the moment the obvious motivations of someone like Saggy to make such claims.
Just on their face, the denier claims about graves don't add up.
It really doesn't help if you spout nonsense like 'You have described "forensic" reports which have never been made available'. What does 'made available' mean here? To whom? In what form?
What does "shown" mean, or is this just internet denier jargon for 'I am engaged in passive-aggressive trolling'?
The sites were all in Eastern Europe, the reports would, logically, be in Polish and Russian in their original forms. Do you read those languages? Do you know where the reports might be located? Is it a big coverup? Can you even name who was involved in investigating which site? Or are those pieces of information also covered up and beyond your ken?
I'm away for a few days. I can't say I expect to return to find substantive answers from Dogzilla to these questions or these points. But maybe others can try and find out what it's all supposed to mean.
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