Split Thread SAIC, ARA and 9/11 (split from "All 43 videos...")

Myriad, are you sure you want to go down the path of 'sound' as evidence? If so, you will be in for quite an awakening.

While there are, indeed, some valid and validly documented witnesses who describe hearing a "roar' and some who used the descriptor "train," most were surprised by the sound they heard, no matter how they described it.

Mainly, they were described at how quiet it was. Many used the words "eerie," "eerie silence," "strangely quiet" or variations on that theme to describe the sound. In fact, when the descriptions got a little too specific and a little too close to describing the effects of DEW and when all else failed, the testimony of valid witnesses was simply redacted and hidden from us. Set out below is the example of EMS Chief Walter Kowalczyk:

"I kept hearing the sound of -- I guess i t ' s t h e
sounds of s i l e n c e . But it wasn't s i l e n c e ; it was
a cloud j u s t coming down on us."


I suppose we'll never know whether or not the words of the prophets were written on the subway wall and tenement halls.

I'm sorry, Myriad, I'm not able to fathom what you're getting at in the above. Would you care to come again, differently? :boggled: Thanks


I was hoping you'd connect the dots, I wanted to be discreet about this but... I'm talking Time War. I'm talking about the militarization of the fourth dimension. Why send in a million soldiers, a navy, and an air force, when you can instead send an assassin back in time to take out Hitler? Smooth, efficient, and as sinister as you can imagine.

(Actually, Hitler's reich isn't from our original timeline. In the original, Ernst Rohm took over in autumn of 1939, ousted the Nazi extremists, and ushered in an age of peace and prosperity that saw the US transformed into a pacifist techno-agrarian paradise. But he was just so darned gay. They thought Hitler could do just as well but without the gayness and... well, you see the result. A debate rages over whether to try again.)

Time travel has been theorized since 1895, and time travel has seeped into our culture. Just look at recent plot lines in Star Trek, Bill and Ted's Excellent Adventure, Back to the Future, World of Warcraft, and Dr. Who. Of course, this is always presented as "science fiction" or fantasy or even comedy but that's just to cover small leaks. Large leaks can be covered by... well, just look at how that works in those stories. Let's suppose a technically capable "rogue nation" were to stumble on some of the same secrets, last year for instance. Then suddenly, the train carrying the scientists who made that discovery disappears or "explodes" years earlier, before the discovery was even made and reappears in 2001 falling onto the World Trade Center causing the already burning building to collapse, burying and then melting the evidence. Problem solved. Got the picture?

For evidence, you'll have to connect the dots yourself, as I know you can. But let's start with some obvious clues that have been in front of you unnoticed for years. Have you ever heard of "atomic clocks?" Of course you have. Well consider this. A clock can run for years on a little AAA battery. Even a big City Hall type clock can run on a small motor, a few dozen Watts at most. So why would any clock need to be atomic powered? Unless its purpose was more than to just measure time?

Now, who is in charge of these "atomic clocks" in the USA? Go to http://www.time.gov/. Then click your time zone of choice. You'll get the "official US time" that is "accurate within 0.1 seconds." Now take a look at the tiny print near the bottom of the window. Who exactly is "providing" your time? Ring any bells?

Actually, you presume far too much. Further, I'm not sure what interest(s) you are seeking to advance. In some respects, the above can be interpreted as a justification for MIC secrecy. For instance, goodness knows that if $billions are spent seeking an advantage in weaponry of one sort or another, the last thing one would want would be for one's adversaries to have the opportunity to counter that advantage by developing counter measures.

However, in the absence of your confirming that you are engaging in a defense of or an apology for the MIC, I will not presume that that is what you really mean.

So, Myriad, what do you really mean?


"Defense" or "apology" are characterizations of pure opinion. For example, a claim that most Muslims don't fully believe in the literal truth of every line of the Qu'ran would be (and has been, in these very forums) seen by some as an attack on Islam, and by others as an apology or defense of Islam.

I say what I say. How can I tell you what your opinion of it is?

Your grasp of strategic consideration is useful but not determinative. For instance, it has been observed, I seem to recall, that the "shock & awe" resulting from the display of the hideously powerful DEW used on 9/11 could also serve to further the coverup. For instance, if China, Russia, Iran and/or North Korea did suspect DEW and did want to develop countermeasures to it, one way to do so would be to keep quiet about it so that the US would think its DEW apparatus would not be countered.


The second and third sentences there don't seem to make sense together. The only thing worse than having your enemies develop countermeasures is to have them develop countermeasures without you knowing about it. Displaying the weapon's hideous power could only be more detrimental if it results in the enemy doing that.

Secrecy begets secrecy and more secrecy, Myriad. Isn't that the key message of antiwar flicks like Dr. Strangelove and Fail Safe, afterall?


Secrecy does beget more secrecy. But at least, time is on my side, yes it is. That's the message of the Rolling Stones.

Respectfully,
Myriad
 
In the real world, the flight from Boston to Los Angeles takes about 6 hours 20 minutes.
In jammo-world, which is 5 orders of magnitude removed from reality, it takes 72 years and 6 months. After 9 years, it has gone only 12.5% of the distance yet. A little east of Scranton, Western Pennsylvania, I'd say.

:dl:

Nominated.
 
I suppose we'll never know whether or not the words of the prophets were written on the subway wall and tenement halls.

I was hoping you'd connect the dots, I wanted to be discreet about this but... I'm talking Time War.
...
Now, who is in charge of these "atomic clocks" in the USA? Go to http://www.time.gov/. Then click your time zone of choice. You'll get the "official US time" that is "accurate within 0.1 seconds." Now take a look at the tiny print near the bottom of the window. Who exactly is "providing" your time? Ring any bells?
...

RFLMAO!
I haven't ROFLMAO'd in quite a while! :D
Therefore: Nominated!



But I came back here for another thought, a revelation really:
We have all been wondering: "Why does jammo always toss such enormous word salads? Why such voluminous walls of stupid?"
All can be explained with my one-sentence-theory: "jammo-world is 5 orders of magnitude removed from reality"

Applied to word salads:
jammonius must write 25.000 words to generate 1 byte of information!
 
loss of essence

Secrecy begets secrecy and more secrecy, Myriad. Isn't that the key message of antiwar flicks like Dr. Strangelove and Fail Safe, afterall?
No.

The key message of Dr Strangelove: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb is that mentally ill narcissists who think they (and they alone) possess the insight and courage to see through an enormous conspiracy that the sheeple have inexplicably failed to notice should not be allowed to choose the password for a CRM-114.

jammonius...jammonius, listen, tell me...tell me, jammonius. When did you first...become aware...well, develop your theory?
 
Yeah, you missed two separate layers: FOUO (For Official Use Only) and other controlled unclassified information - not classified, but not distributed to anyone that doesn't need it - and Secret level information directly below Top Secret. Also, the lowest level of classified information is more properly called Confidential.

Thank you for the additional, clarifying information. It adds to the substance of the discussion.

This doesn't give me much confidence that you understand how the system in general works if you can somehow miss an entire level.

I am not seeking to impress you one way or another.

*sigh*... the government likes to keep its secrets. Sometimes this is bad, but other times it allows us to keep our people safe. It is possible to take this too far and become paranoid about threats, but in many cases the government preventing secrets from reaching those threatening forces is exactly what prevents US citizens from dying. It's a necessary evil.

The above is grossly oversimplified, imho. Further, the danger of that kind of oversimplified rationalization is that it excuses the MIC, even without a close examination of the MIC's role in, among other things, 9/11.

SAIC and ARA each had key roles in the NIST investigation of the destruction of the Twin Towers. I have shown, and no one has refuted, that the NIST report was a clear example of science fraud. Yet, almost no one has expressed concern about that.

What is it that prompts you to provide excuses for the MIC?

No, you've missed the point. Myriad's point wasn't that using it will make hiding it from the general public more difficult. The point was that it will make hiding it from other countries that will use the information against us more difficult. Wouldn't it be better to not use it at all, not give these other countries any reason to suspect and therefore not give them any reason to develop countermeasures?

Look, the problem with engaging in strategic discussion of DEW is that it ends up either excusing the MIC or placing the focus of discussion elsewhere than upon the MIC. I would rather not do that.

In the end, the point of classified information is not to hide the government's actions from the populace, but to hide the government's actions from forces that could use that knowledge to attack the government and US society as a whole.

Earth to Lyrander: Heed Eisenhower's admonition about the MIC if you would please and stop providing excuses for the MIC.
 
No.

The key message of Dr Strangelove: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb is that mentally ill narcissists who think they (and they alone) possess the insight and courage to see through an enormous conspiracy that the sheeple have inexplicably failed to notice should not be allowed to choose the password for a CRM-114.

jammonius...jammonius, listen, tell me...tell me, jammonius. When did you first...become aware...well, develop your theory?

Hey W.D.,

Permit me to double check for accuracy of understanding: Are your assertions concerning the meaning and the intent of 'Dr. Strangelove...' your own interpretation or that of one or more reviewers?

thanks
 
Thank you for the additional, clarifying information. It adds to the substance of the discussion.



I am not seeking to impress you one way or another.



The above is grossly oversimplified, imho. Further, the danger of that kind of oversimplified rationalization is that it excuses the MIC, even without a close examination of the MIC's role in, among other things, 9/11.

SAIC and ARA each had key roles in the NIST investigation of the destruction of the Twin Towers. I have shown, and no one has refuted, that the NIST report was a clear example of science fraud. Yet, almost no one has expressed concern about that.

What is it that prompts you to provide excuses for the MIC?



Look, the problem with engaging in strategic discussion of DEW is that it ends up either excusing the MIC or placing the focus of discussion elsewhere than upon the MIC. I would rather not do that.



Earth to Lyrander: Heed Eisenhower's admonition about the MIC if you would please and stop providing excuses for the MIC.


Only 997 characters in jammo-world.
Information content in real world: Barely 1 bit.

Do better. :D
 
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Hey W.D.,

Permit me to double check for accuracy of understanding: Are your assertions concerning the meaning and the intent of 'Dr. Strangelove...' your own interpretation or that of one or more reviewers?
Both. Have you not seen the movie? Or was its message too subtle for you?

General Jack D. Ripper said:
He said war was too important to be left to the generals. When he said that, 50 years ago, he might have been right. But today, war is too important to be left to politicians. They have neither the time, the training, nor the inclination for strategic thought. I can no longer sit back and allow Communist infiltration, Communist indoctrination, Communist subversion and the international Communist conspiracy to sap and impurify all of our precious bodily fluids.
 
There's no way those photon torpedoes blew up that WHOLE space station! The rebels must have laced the skeleton structure with thermite...and kerosene...and suck-charges.

Darth Vader must've planted charges inside the station by using his Jedi mind trick on the Stormtroopers. The Death Star Attack was an Inside Job!
 
Time for a reminder, I see:

It's the MIC...
Yes, we've seen this kind of argument before. It would be hard to improve upon President Muffley's analysis of this thread:
General "Buck" Turgidson said:
The Duty Officer asked General Ripper to confirm the fact that he had issued the go code, and he said, uh, "Yes gentlemen, they are on their way in, and no one can bring them back. For the sake of our country, and our way of life, I suggest you get the rest of SAC in after them. Otherwise, we will be totally destroyed by Red retaliation. My boys will give you the best kind of start, 1400 megatons worth, and you sure as hell won't stop them now, heh heh. So let's get going, there's no other choice. God willing, we will prevail, in peace and freedom from fear, and in true health, through the purity and essence of our natural...fluids. God bless you all" and he hung up.

We're, uh, still trying to figure out the meaning of that last phrase, sir.
President Merkin Muffley said:
There's nothing to figure out, General Turgidson. This man is obviously a psychotic.
General "Buck" Turgidson said:
Well, I'd like to hold off judgement on a thing like that, sir, until all the facts are in.
 
The attempts at ridicule simply confirm the inability of some to deal with the danger posed by the MIC.

Carry on
 
Your word salad does nothing but show your inability to support your assertion that DEW destroyed the towers on 9/11.
 
The attempts at ridicule...

...are well-suited for your delusions.

jammo, I have 20 questions for you, just so I know what you understand and don't understand:


1. Do you understand and agree that the main characteristic of a DEW is that it directs energy* at its target?

2. Do you understand and agree that energy can be transferred from one form to another: Radiation to heat, chemical energy to heat, gravitational potential energy to kinetic energy, kinetic energy to chemical energy, kinetic energy to gravitational potential energy, Kinetic energy to seismic energy (sound waves)?

3. Do you understand and agree that in an event like 9/11, eventually nearly all energy gets dissipated (transformed) either as heat, or as broken chemical bonds as materials break or bend?

4. Do you understand and agree that all these different forms of energy are measured in one and the same physical unit, the Joule?

5. Do you understand and agree that either one of the twin towers, by virtue of their mass of about 288.000 metric tons, which are between 0 and 415 meters above ground level, contain a potential energy, relative to ground level, of about 480.000.000.000 Joules, and the WTC7 building another 80.000.000.000 Joules?

6. Do you understand and agree that these amounts of potential energy are released when the buildings collapse? That they are first transformed into kinetic energy, then into heat, broken material (such as "dust"), and seismic waves?

7. Dou you understand and agree that 1.000 gallons of jet fuel contain 130.000.000.000 Joules, that are transformed into heat when burned? A 767 going east coast-west coast may carry on the order of 10.000 gallons of fuel an hour after take-off.

8. Do you understand and agree that a Boeing 767, flying at 750km/h (AA 11), has a kinetic energy of about 2.610.000.000 Joules?

9. Do you understand and agree that a Boeing 767, flying at 545 mph (UA 175), has a kinetic energy of about 3.420.000.000 Joules?

10. Do you understand and agree that advanced mobile high-energy lasers like the THEL that Northop-Grunman uses to shoot down artillery round and small rockets, or the COIL laser aboard the Boeing YAL-1B, that is supposed to shoot down ICBMs, have a power in the range of 1MW (1.000.000 Watts), and can shoot pulses of up to 5 seconds? Do you understand that 1MW power over 5 seconds equals an energy release of 5.000.000 Joules?

11. Do you understand and agree that these 5.000.000 Joules are about as much energy as is contained in a little over 200 grams (half a small jar) of chocolate spread that kids eat for breakfast?

12. Do you understand and agree that these 5.000.000 Joules are only about 1/100.000th of the potential energy that is stored in either one of the twin towers? In other words: The collapse of one tower is capable of dustifying about as much material as a YAL-1B COIL or a THEL, when these fire for 100.000 times 5 seconds, or nearly 6 days?

13. Do you understand and agree that the collapse of Building 7 released as much energy, and turned it into destruction, as would 16.000 Boeing YAL-1B?

14. Do you understand and agree now that gravity, compared to advanced high-energy DEW, is anything but weak?

15. Do you understand and agree that you need about 30.000 Boeing YAL-1B in the sky above NYC to release as much energy in 15 seconds as was released when either one of the towers collapsed?

16. Do you understand and agree that, in order to release as much energy as 1.000 gallons of jet fuel do when they burn, in one hour, you need to have 36 Boeing YAL-1B circling above NYC? (This assuming they can keep firing 5-second shots continuosly for an hour, which of course they can not - not nearly)

17. Do you understand and agree that, in order to release as much energy as did the crash of flight AA 11, and turn it into destruction, you'd need about 522 Boeing YAL-1B in the skies over NYC, all firing at once?

18. Do you understand and agree that, in order to release as much energy as did the crash of flight UA 175, and turn it into destruction, you'd need about 684 Boeing YAL-1B in the skies over NYC, all firing at once?

19. Do you understand and agree that neither Dr. Wood nor you nor anyone else has ever provided one scrap of evidence for the claim that mobile lasers exist that are significantly more powerful than the THEL or the COIL?

20. Do you understand and agree now that your delusion about DEW is 5 orders of magnitude removed from reality?



* The "energy" of a DEW means any form of energy that is not conventionally used for weapons. In particulat, the kinetic energy of artillery and the chemical energy of explosives and incendiaries is not included in the term "DEW", even though these forms of energy get directed at targets in conventional weapons
 
Oystein has 20 questions...

Well posters, lurkers and victims family members,

Ridicule is one thing, namely the first stage in the process of recognition of truth; but Oystein's ignorance of basic principles is quite another.

Everyone who posts here knows that I do not cotton to stupid control tactics sought to be imposed by one poster over another poster, such as attempts to establish a "20 question" game or another kind of "gotcha" game process.

I do not try to manipulate posters in that way. I do not engage in "gotcha" trap tactics and I certainly do not allow myself to be ensnared in them. Why some posters here think they have the right to ask stupid questions and then judge the "rightness" and, almost always, declare the "wrongness" of answers given is beyond me.

Posters who do that fool no one but themselves and those who wish to be fooled.
 
The attempts at ridicule simply confirm the inability of some to deal with the danger posed by the MIC.

Carry on
It's because we know how powerful they can be (after all we do work for one of the divisions...... NWO). I'd be real careful about your questions.
 
The Security Clearance Process

Posters, lurkers, victims family members,

In this thread that seeks to confirm the degree to which MIC giants SAIC and ARA have DEW and PSYOPs capabilities, the capabilities that were instrumental in the hideous destruction carried out on 9/11, mention has sometimes been made of security clearances and of what they mean in connection with classified information and TOP SECRET designation.

It is well understood, but not well acknowledged in this thread, as yet, that the process of compartmented information allows for things to be done inside what is correctly referred to as a "government within the government" or as, simply, the powers that be (TPTB), that exercise dominion and control over much of what happens in the US and over policy pronouncements that few of us know anything about.

Therein lies the danger of the MIC that is the subject matter of this thread that very few, so far, have actually turned their attention to. The tactics of those who are seeking to defend the MIC, or avoid discussion of the MIC, or make excuses for the MIC, or some other evasive manuver pertaining to the MIC are all too transparent.

However, that tactic will not succeed. We will, by and by, place the focus of this thread where it belongs; namely, upon the MIC.

I will here provide yet another bit of factual data. Here's a link to an interesting document that discusses the procedures for obtasining security clearances something that should be interest, even if only for background purposes. After all, even if you're bound and determined to defend the MIC's secrecy practices, it behooves you to at least know what you are talking about from a technical perspective.

What is a security clearance?
How is one obtained?
What restrictions does it place on one's otherwise protected freedoms, such as, say, that of free speech?
How can a security clearance be taken away once granted?
What are the various degrees of clearance?
What kind of security clearance does a US president have?
Who has the highest security clearance?

I here call upon our resident "20 questions" aficionado, Oystein, to come up with more queries related, not to the issue of trying to put words into my mouth, but rather, to the issue of what does the security clearance process mean and entail.

Hopefully, Oystein's penchant for questions can be directed to a useful endeavor for a change.

good luck

See: http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/omb/assets/omb/pubpress/2007/sc_report_to_congress.pdf
 

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