Controlled demolition vs. the towers collapsing

ergo said:
Did you cut and paste this from somewhere Al? Hence the stanzas rather than paragraphs?

Anyway, here's where your source is wrong again. From the same link, http://patriotsquestion911.com/survivors.html :
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Cherry-pick much?

None of those eyewitnesses reports are of noises
consistent in timing, loudness and brisance with man-made demolition.

In other words, if only one person reports it, it wasn't loud enough to be man-made demolition.

If someone reports loud noises while a building is falling down, it isn't man-made demolition.

If it doesn't sound like dynamite, it isn't man-made demolition.
 
From same:

Mike Pecoraro – WTC survivor. Stationary Engineer who performed services in all of the buildings at the World Trade Center.

...The two decided to ascend the stairs to the C level, to a small machine shop where Vito Deleo and David Williams were supposed to be working. When the two arrived at the C level, they found the machine shop gone.

"There was nothing there but rubble, " Mike said. "We're talking about a 50 ton hydraulic press? gone!" The two began yelling for their co-workers, but there was no answer. They saw a perfect line of smoke streaming through the air. "You could stand here," he said, "and two inches over you couldn't breathe. We couldn't see through the smoke so we started screaming." But there was still no answer.

The two made their way to the parking garage, but found that it, too, was gone. "There were no walls, there was rubble on the floor, and you can't see anything" he said. [Editor's note: At this point, Mr. Pecoraro was in the basement of the North Tower, approximately 1,100 feet below the airplane's point of impact at floors 93 to 98.]

They decided to ascend two more levels to the building's lobby. As they ascended to the B Level, one floor above, they were astonished to see a steel and concrete fire door that weighed about 300 pounds, wrinkled up "like a piece of aluminum foil" and lying on the floor. "They got us again," Mike told his co-worker, referring to the terrorist attack at the center in 1993. Having been through that bombing, Mike recalled seeing similar things happen to the building's structure. He was convinced a bomb had gone off in the building. Mike walked through the open doorway and found two people lying on the floor. One was a female Carpenter and the other an Elevator Operator. They were both badly burned and injured." http://www.chiefengineer.org
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Would this kind of damage be caused by a fireball shooting down a single elevator shaft? After it had completely blown out the lobby? And are you claiming there was enough fuel after the plane impact and initial kerosene explosions on those floors, (a picture of which is posted by sabretooth here) that it could both travel 1/3 of a kilometre down the single available elevator shaft (the one express shaft running the length of the building) to wreak destruction in the lobby, at numerous basement levels, and also create the "infernos" that supposedly weakened the structural steel in the upper block? How do figure this?
 
Miragememories said:
"You might like to consult this thread;

http://s1.zetaboards.com/LooseChange...pic/1701709/1/"
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BigAl said:
I see burn injuries, not barotrauma caused by demolition blasts.
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Too much reading for you Al?

If you actually took the time to read the thread, you'd learn that barotrauma is
not always in evidence during explosive events that cause serious personal injuries.

Things are not always as simple as you like to make them out to be.

MM
 
BigAl said:
Cherry-pick much?
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I'm providing evidence of first-hand eyewitness accounts regarding explosions and you're saying I'm "cherrypicking"? What the ****? Do you understand what testimony is?

None of those eyewitnesses reports are of noises consistent in timing, loudness and brisance with man-made demolition.
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Please explain how they are not.

In other words, if only one person reports it, it wasn't loud enough to be man-made demolition.
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But clearly these are reports from more than one person. Can you see that?

If someone reports loud noises while a building is falling down, it isn't man-made demolition.

If it doesn't sound like dynamite, it isn't man-made demolition.
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I'm sorry, I don't get the impression you're qualified to make these kinds of judgments of eyewitness testimonies. It sounds like you're repeating something one of your gods has said somewhere else.
 
ergo said:
Did you cut and paste this from somewhere Al? Hence the stanzas rather than paragraphs?

Anyway, here's where your source is wrong again. From the same link, http://patriotsquestion911.com/survivors.html :
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"Explosion" just means "loud noise". There were lots of loud noises at WTC.

Any demolition explosion would have been heard for a mile and recorded on every video camera in use. It would have been heard by upwards of a million people.

No such explosion happened.
 
BigAl said:
"Explosion" just means "loud noise". There were lots of loud noises at WTC.

Any demolition explosion would have been heard for a mile and recorded on every video camera in use. It would have been heard by upwards of a million people.

No such explosion happened.
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That is a crock that has become your mantra.

MM
 
ergo said:
From same:




Would this kind of damage be caused by a fireball shooting down a single elevator shaft? After it had completely blown out the lobby? And are you claiming there was enough fuel after the plane impact and initial kerosene explosions on those floors, (a picture of which is posted by sabretooth here) that it could both travel 1/3 of a kilometre down the single available elevator shaft (the one express shaft running the length of the building) to wreak destruction in the lobby, at numerous basement levels, and also create the "infernos" that supposedly weakened the structural steel in the upper block? How do figure this?
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How big is a 50 ton hydrolic press?
 
I see Al is choosing to ignore my posts 523 and 526, I guess so he doesn't have to answer those questions, or explain the Great Balls of Fire! theory.

Do we believe Al's assessment of what demolition detonations could or could not sound like? I don't. Especially if we consider what a detonation within the basement levels might sound like on the outside, as well as ones set off within the core structure. I would guess Al really doesn't know everything about the sound dynamics of different kinds of detonations.
 
Miragememories said:
Too much reading for you Al?

If you actually took the time to read the thread, you'd learn that barotrauma is
not always in evidence during explosive events that cause serious personal injuries.

Things are not always as simple as you like to make them out to be.

MM
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That thread is a bunch of garbage. Look at the people whom were in the OKC bombing. Notice how many complained of barotraumatic injuries? Notice how many also complained of them after the 1993 bombing? And how many complained of them after the attacks of 9/11?

Just because someone didn't suffer BTI, doesn't mean others did not.

But hey, I am no doctor........
 
ergo said:
I'm providing evidence of first-hand eyewitness accounts regarding explosions and you're saying I'm "cherrypicking"? What the ****? Do you understand what testimony is?



Please explain how they are not.



But clearly these are reports from more than one person. Can you see that?



I'm sorry, I don't get the impression you're qualified to make these kinds of judgments of eyewitness testimonies. It sounds like you're repeating something one of your gods has said somewhere else.
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Using similies and hyperbole aparently escape your grasp.
 
triforcharity said:
That thread is a bunch of garbage. Look at the people whom were in the OKC bombing. Notice how many complained of barotraumatic injuries? Notice how many also complained of them after the 1993 bombing? And how many complained of them after the attacks of 9/11?

Just because someone didn't suffer BTI, doesn't mean others did not.

But hey, I am no doctor........
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That thread;

http://s1.zetaboards.com/LooseChange...pic/1701709/1/

represents a great deal of research.

And yes, you are no doctor.

MM
 
ergo said:
I see Al is choosing to ignore my posts 523 and 526, I guess so he doesn't have to answer those questions, or explain the Great Balls of Fire! theory.

Do we believe Al's assessment of what demolition detonations could or could not sound like? I don't. Especially if we consider what a detonation within the basement levels might sound like on the outside, as well as ones set off within the core structure. I would guess Al really doesn't know everything about the sound dynamics of different kinds of detonations.
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Please feel free to elaborate, and explain for us why he is wrong. Cite your sources, and of course, provide facts.

PS. decibels is something you will need to understand.
 
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