Controlled demolition vs. the towers collapsing

[grandmastershek]

How many JREF "debunkers" does it take to counter one empirical statement?

Jackanory
T.A.M.
9/11 Chewy Defense
Drudgewire
sabretooth47
beachnut
fitzgibbon
Chorduroy
dafydd
excaza
tsig
grandmastershek
jaydeehess
TruthersLie

14 and counting... and still nothing debunked. You call this efficient?

Nothing to debunk. But if we get 1000 more people do we get the super twoofy twoof prize?!

 

[daws59]

I find the whole CD theory to be superfluous, I mean I get the whole idea of the government crashing planes into the buildings, but why go to all the extra trouble with explosives? Aren't planes destructive enough? Why can't conspiracy theories follow Occam's razor? Well, okay if they did they would hardly be postulating a conspiracy theory now would they?

There is a twoofer on the rumblevillians site, that claims he's proven That Occam's razor is false!
His contention is that the BEACH BOYS ALBUM: PET SOUNDS disproves O.R. because not all of the musicians that played on that album were not credited.
he claims it's analogous to the what the twoofers believe the government did on 9/11.

 

[triforcharity]

Oh my god, this thread has already gone on far too long.

Couldn't agree more.

Like I said, I didn't see any significant shift in the CD theory. I think you're making it up. See your quote above.

First it was therMATE. Then it was therMITE. Then it bcame nano-thermite. Then it was a mix of both conventional explosives and thermite.

You may not see a shift, but everyone else, who DOESN'T suffer from cranial rectal inversion, can see it. Just because you don't, doesn't mean it doesn't exist. I haven't see the Eiffel Tower, does that mean it doesn't exist?

 

[triforcharity]

Didn't I read somewhere that their could be as many as 50,000 people in WTC1/2 on any given business day?

Yes, absolutely. Each tower had about 25,000 employees each. My estimate is that 35,000 people escaped the towers combined.

 

[triforcharity]

How many JREF "debunkers" does it take to counter one empirical statement?

Jackanory
T.A.M.
9/11 Chewy Defense
Drudgewire
sabretooth47
beachnut
fitzgibbon
Chorduroy
dafydd
excaza
tsig
grandmastershek
jaydeehess
TruthersLie

14 and counting... and still nothing debunked. You call this efficient?

How many truthers does it take to put a plausable explanation together, from beginning to end?

The world may never know........

 

[R.Mackey]

Yes, absolutely. Each tower had about 25,000 employees each. My estimate is that 35,000 people escaped the towers combined.

NIST in NCSTAR1-7 (page 67) computed that about 15,410 individuals escaped the Towers after impact, accurate to about 5%. Some mitigating factors were the early hour of the first impact, the beginning of the school year, and an election all held on that day. Thankfully.

 

[Sword_Of_Truth]

The Passengers on Flight 93 figured out 911 in minutes, they beat you by 9 years!

This.

 

[triforcharity]

NIST in NCSTAR1-7 (page 67) computed that about 15,410 individuals escaped the Towers after impact, accurate to about 5%. Some mitigating factors were the early hour of the first impact, the beginning of the school year, and an election all held on that day. Thankfully.

I hadn't seen that. My bad..... My estimate was off, by alot!!

I also forgot about the election that day, and school. That would explain the huge difference.

 

[Java Man]

SO expert, what Percentage of the steel should they have saved while downtown was in chaos, while people were trapped under the rubble, while fires continued to burn under the rubble?

Hmmmm? What percentage if not 0.5% genius?

TAM

How about 100%? Saving the steel doesn't mean "saving it on site where it fell". It means moving it to some point B that isn't downtown and not shipping it to China to be recycled.

 

[beachnut]

There is a twoofer on the rumblevillians site, that claims he's proven That Occam's razor is false!
His contention is that the BEACH BOYS ALBUM: PET SOUNDS disproves O.R. because not all of the musicians that played on that album were not credited.
he claims it's analogous to the what the twoofers believe the government did on 9/11.

What?

I have a DVD audio and they are all credited, if you do research.

What?

Brian Wilson did it.

 

[TJM]

I wonder if all this steel which was apparently exposed to a CD had the evidence of it removed somewhere between Manhattan and Fresh Kills or was it shipped off to China like that and now the Chinese are in on it too.

 

[bardamu]

If the truth movement has been saying since 2007 that the towers were brought down by "atypical, unconventional controlled demolitions", why do debunkers feel the need to encourage "pointless bickering" by starting threads like this one in 2010?

 

[excaza]

boredom

 

[T.A.M.]

How about 100%? Saving the steel doesn't mean "saving it on site where it fell". It means moving it to some point B that isn't downtown and not shipping it to China to be recycled.

1. Save it for what purpose?
2. Given the forensic investigators felt they had all they needed, who would they be saving 50,000 feet of building steel for? You? David ray griffin?
3. How long were they to save it for? Why that length of time?
4. What agency of any kind has complained that all the steel wasn't retained for investigative purpose?
5. After your imaginary group who wanted it saved was finished with it, could they send it for rectcling then?

This is foolish....seriously....just walk yourself through it....slowly.

TAM

 

[T.A.M.]

If the truth movement has been saying since 2007 that the towers were brought down by "atypical, unconventional controlled demolitions", why do debunkers feel the need to encourage "pointless bickering" by starting threads like this one in 2010?

Gits and shiggles of course...

Why, given all of their theories have been debunked, does the truth movement still exist in any form?

TAM

 

[ElMondoHummus]

How about 100%? Saving the steel doesn't mean "saving it on site where it fell". It means moving it to some point B that isn't downtown and not shipping it to China to be recycled.

Oh, you mean like the Staten Island and Fort Hamilton dump sites, where the steel sat being investigated by the FBI and NYPD for months before it went through the recycling process?

More info:

• http://sites.google.com/site/wtc7lies/groundzerocleanup,freshkillssortingopera

 

[Sabretooth]

If the truth movement has been saying since 2007 that the towers were brought down by "atypical, unconventional controlled demolitions", why do debunkers feel the need to encourage "pointless bickering" by starting threads like this one in 2010?

It was unconventional...it's called uncontrolled fire.

 

[excaza]

How many JREF "debunkers" does it take to counter one empirical statement?

How many truthers does it take to present a publishable, tenable alternative to the "OCT" that is supported by evidence?

It would be nice to know how much longer we have to wait.

 

[Java Man]

1. Save it for what purpose?

As reference material while the investigation was going on. Thus to better trim the computer simulations.

2. Given the forensic investigators felt they had all they needed, who would they be saving 50,000 feet of building steel for? You? David ray griffin?

For themselves should they happen to need it. Which it was since the reports came to some conclusions which could have been better supported had the key beams been kept. But since they didn't know which were the key beams when they shipped it all alway they should have kept them until they finished the report. It's not like the steel was going to rust away.

3. How long were they to save it for? Why that length of time?

Once again, at least until the investigation was officially over and the final report handed it.

4. What agency of any kind has complained that all the steel wasn't retained for investigative purpose?

Complained? Mhh not sure if any. But certainly many would have benefited from having it retained for investigative purpose. Certainly the Debunkers would have benefited as a thorough investigation with the evidence at hand would have prevented the Truther mayhem we have today.

5. After your imaginary group who wanted it saved was finished with it, could they send it for rectcling then?

Sure, why not? A few key pieces could be kept. Actually the pieces which were by then known to be key. Not just some random 5% sample.

 

[Java Man]

Oh, you mean like the Staten Island and Fort Hamilton dump sites, where the steel sat being investigated by the FBI and NYPD for months before it went through the recycling process?

More info:

• http://sites.google.com/site/wtc7lies/groundzerocleanup,freshkillssortingopera

I'm aware of the dump site. Yet the key elements. Like the infamous column in WTC7 are missing. If all the pieces had been kept until the investigation arrived to its conclusions then those real key elements could have been spared and the rest just recycled. The way it happened is the FBI investigated a bunch of rubble not really knowing what to look for and then the conclusions came in, but the stuff was no longer in the dump. So we end up with not precisely the most important pieces and not precisely the most thorough investigation into them. Instead we have a quick review of a bunch of material.