Split Thread SAIC, ARA and 9/11 (split from "All 43 videos...")

Originally Posted by fess
I am more than slightly upset. In 2001, I was still semi-active in the MIC, and not one of my compatriots called to let me know what was going on. In fact, both my daughter and my son were full time members of the MIC, and they didn’t even tell me.
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Originally Posted by jammonius
Well, Fess, take heart. You've now been clued in, and have been for the last several pages in this thread. For instance, the evidence of DEW, including eyewitness accounts on 9/11 can be summarized, from a compilation of several posts as follows:
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I don't know why you MIC types refuse to acdknowledge that the SECRECY system is designed to keep virtually ALL OF YOU in the dark so that none of you really know what is going on, Fess.

Small wonder you are distraught. What took you so long?
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You appear to be quite knowledgeable about the inner workings of the MIC. Experience maybe? If so, what branch of the military were you in? And, what was your job classification?
I’m quite sure you will hand-wave this question away claiming it is a “gotcha” type question, but it would be nice if you, with your knowledge, could offer some proof that DEW was even off the drawing board in 2001, much less operational. The only operational “DEW” device in service is a non-lethal weapon that doesn’t even kill an opponent, much less bring down a 110 storey building.
Let’s see how long it takes you.
 
jammonius said:
Actually, this has all been posted elsewhere and is easily searched out on google.

However, for starters, why don't you look at the NIST website itself. The claim you refer to as items a) and b) above, that are about NIST fraud was made to NIST, at NIST, officially filed and officially dealt with, within the limits of the available procedure with a rather predicatable, but nonetheless revealing outcome.

The record, for historical purposes, has already been made and is there for all to see.

Names were named SAIC and ARA, were accused, offically, out in the open, above board and so on.

Here's your starting point:

http://ocio.os.doc.gov/ITPolicyandPrograms/Information_Quality/PROD01_002619

Here's the index of the documents making the claim:

Request for Correction from Dr. Judy Wood dated March 16, 2007
- Supplement #1 (March 29, 2007) to Request for Correction
- Supplement #2 (April 20, 2007) to Request for Correction
- Extension (June 29, 2007) of NIST review
- Response (July 27, 2007) to Dr. Judy Wood Request for Correction
- Appeal by Dr. Wood of NIST Initial Denial dated August 22, 2007
- NIST Extension to Wood Amendment to Appeal
- Amendment to Appeal dated August 23, 2007
- Response (Jan. 10, 2008) to Wood Amendment to Appeal

Let me know what approach to minimization of significance you might like to pursue and I will refute it.
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Oh fine.

Everything you need to take in is contained in
http://ocio.os.doc.gov/s/groups/public/@doc/@os/@ocio/@oitpp/documents/content/prod01_004161.pdf

Short summary:
- Judy Woods did not provide evidence that DEW were in any way, shape or form used on 9/11
- Judy Woods did not provide evidence that ARA is a significant manufacturer of DEW.

Both statements are true.


You need to start providing that evidence.
You may think that Dr. Wood did, but in reality, she did not. She merely stated her delusions as assertions. The assertions are false.

End of story.




It occurs to mne that you have no concept of what the word "evidence" means.
 
Oystein said:
Oh fine.

Everything you need to take in is contained in
http://ocio.os.doc.gov/s/groups/public/@doc/@os/@ocio/@oitpp/documents/content/prod01_004161.pdf

Short summary:
- Judy Woods did not provide evidence that DEW were in any way, shape or form used on 9/11
- Judy Woods did not provide evidence that ARA is a significant manufacturer of DEW.

Both statements are true.


You need to start providing that evidence.
You may think that Dr. Wood did, but in reality, she did not. She merely stated her delusions as assertions. The assertions are false.

End of story.




It occurs to mne that you have no concept of what the word "evidence" means.
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Your declarations have no value for purposes of determining what is or is not evidence and for Dr. Wood did or did not do. Furthermore, Oystein, it is unlikely to a very high degree of certainty that Dr. Wood did not publish her ddetermination of what destroyed the WTC complex, of why the NIST non-findings were fraudulent and why SAIC and ARA amongst others participated in that fraud in order to satisfy you or your bogus criticisms.

Rather, it is far more likely she did it as a citizen-scientist whose expertise and conscientiousness mandated that she set up a publicly accessible record of why and how the WTC complex was destroyed on 9/11.

Your legitimate queries, such few as there have been, have all been answered. Your rhetoric and your wont to play stupid gotcha games have been tossed back at you.

The record here is clear.

You have declined to take seriously the need to examine the role of the MIC in connection with DEW and with PSYOPs and with the possible connection between that and 9/11.

That is a notable failure on your part.
 
No, it's far more likely she tried to get published but got laughed out, so she decided to pay 10-15 bucks a month to host a web page for her pseudoscience.
 
The ADS that wasn't operational until 2007 and couldn't level a building if you pointed it at the building for the rest of time?
 
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A number of you are missing the point of this thread rather badly, I am sorry to say. Some continue to quibble, nibble, dribble and spittal around the edges as if your comments on what, say, Patricia Ondrovic saw and so on matters one wit. That kind of commentary matters very little. Her description of what she saw in the sky on 9/11 is consistent with the DEW display in not one but two separate DEW demonstration videos.

Deal with it posters, and stop carping about it.

The point here is to post up information about the MIC and about those entities within the MIC that deal in DEW and PSYOPs.

The way to put it that should be clear and straight forward is as follows:

...It's jist the MIC stupid...

So, come on posters, lurkers and victims family members, let's get with the program and advance the state of the art of the thread by posting up MIC information related to DEW and PSYOPs and the possible connection between those and 9/11.

I will continue to do my part, of course. However, I am not posting up evidence for you folks to go off on your quest for criticism. I'm posting up evidence in the hope that others will do likewise.

Some of you do realize the MIC is a danger to us, right?
 
excaza said:
No, it's far more likely she tried to get published but got laughed out, so she decided to pay 10-15 bucks a month to host a web page for her pseudoscience.
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...host a web page for her pseudoscience to continue getting laughed out.
 
jammonius said:
So, come on posters, lurkers and victims family members, let's get with the program and advance the state of the art of the thread by posting up MIC information related to DEW and PSYOPs and the possible connection between those and 9/11.
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Possible connection? I don't want a possible connection. I want you to show the connection. You've been running around saying that some orbital laser cannon, somehow exempt from the laws of physics because it's in a vacuum, leveled the twin towers. All the while simultaneously projecting volumetric holograms and flawless audio into 3-d space to make it seem like it was airplanes and not a laser beam.

You've been asked, repeatedly, to show that there's even one iota of evidence to support your inane theory, and you have come up with nothing but "there are classified weapons projects."

Unreal.
 
jammonius said:
...That is a notable failure on your part.
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I tell you what a notable failure is.

In http://ocio.os.doc.gov/ITPolicyandPrograms/Information_Quality/PROD01_002619
there is a reference to Dr. Judy Wood's
http://ocio.os.doc.gov/s/groups/public/@doc/@os/@ocio/@oitpp/documents/content/prod01_004156.pdf
Which in turn contains a link to
The words 'directed energy weapons' as used in this Supplement #2 and elsewhere in the pending RFC, including
Supplement # 1 thereto, shall have the meaning ascribed and found in this link:

And there we find some examples of advanced high energy laser weapons:
The Tactical High Energy Laser (THEL), built by Northrop Grumman.
Fine.

What are the capabilities and capacities of this DEW?

Google is your friend. Just like the ABL laser on the Boeing YAL-1A, the THEL is a MW-laser.
Just like the ABL, it can shoot short pulses in the seconds-range.

These weapons, the most advanced, most powerful, most destructive DEW on the planet today.
What desctruction can they cause?

We gave you the answer already, jammonius, and you even posted pictured of that destruction done:



DEW today can at most melt a few ounces of steel.

They can direct an energy amount roughyl equivalent to a continental breakfast onto a target.
That's enought to pierce rockets and mortar rounds and keep them from smoothly sailing to their targets.


It is NOT enough to sever even one piece of structural steel.


These DEW transfer energy. As the name says.
What does that energy do to the target?
It gets heated.
Not pulverized.
Not lifted up to heaven.



Any idea that DEW make people disappear, pulverize anything, or even transfer energy on the scale of nuclear weapons must be called by its proper name: DELUSION.


And there is nothing more to say.
 
If he can't state the power required by the DEW, he is debunked and only has delusions. But saying a beam weapon did it is delusional; a fact!

Be neat, best, great, if the thread was un-split.
 
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jammonius said:
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The point here is to post up information about the MIC and about those entities within the MIC that deal in DEW and PSYOPs.

The way to put it that should be clear and straight forward is as follows:

...It's jist the MIC stupid...
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The way to put it that should be clear and straight forward is as follows:

...It's jist a DELUSION stupid...
 
Oystein said:
The way to put it that should be clear and straight forward is as follows:

...It's jist a DELUSION stupid...
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Oystein,

You continue to post up one obstacle after another in an apparent attempt to derail the placement of the focus on the MIC. Would you please stop doing that. The MIC is a huge problem in the USA and has been for decades. It is hightime we take ex-President Eisenhower's admonition seriously. If you do not wish to do so, would you at least consider refraining from the derailing tactics. Enough already, Oystein.

I think this thread is likely to develop irrespective of your antics, so you might as well cease and desist from engaging in them and start posting up meaningfully if you can.

sheesh :mad:
 
DGM said:
Read a couple posts up from the one you replied too.


They make the lazar for LADS.

http://www.raytheon.com/newsroom/feature/stellent/groups/public/documents/content/cms04_025223.pdf
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OK, I'm getting up to speed on your posts now. I appreciate that you are posting up DEW related information. I do hope the Raytheon LADS will be of interest to other posters, lurkers and victims family members and that it will generate a number of postsw.

As to the next line of inquiry with your Raytheon friend, you might simply suggest perusal of this thread and see if it sparks any interest. Meanwhile, I will start posting up info on ADS.

all the best
 
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Oystein said:
I tell you what a notable failure is.

In http://ocio.os.doc.gov/ITPolicyandPrograms/Information_Quality/PROD01_002619
there is a reference to Dr. Judy Wood's
http://ocio.os.doc.gov/s/groups/public/@doc/@os/@ocio/@oitpp/documents/content/prod01_004156.pdf
Which in turn contains a link to
The words 'directed energy weapons' as used in this Supplement #2 and elsewhere in the pending RFC, including
Supplement # 1 thereto, shall have the meaning ascribed and found in this link:

And there we find some examples of advanced high energy laser weapons:
The Tactical High Energy Laser (THEL), built by Northrop Grumman.
Fine.

What are the capabilities and capacities of this DEW?

Google is your friend. Just like the ABL laser on the Boeing YAL-1A, the THEL is a MW-laser.
Just like the ABL, it can shoot short pulses in the seconds-range.

These weapons, the most advanced, most powerful, most destructive DEW on the planet today.
What desctruction can they cause?

We gave you the answer already, jammonius, and you even posted pictured of that destruction done:



DEW today can at most melt a few ounces of steel.

They can direct an energy amount roughyl equivalent to a continental breakfast onto a target.
That's enought to pierce rockets and mortar rounds and keep them from smoothly sailing to their targets.


It is NOT enough to sever even one piece of structural steel.


These DEW transfer energy. As the name says.
What does that energy do to the target?
It gets heated.
Not pulverized.
Not lifted up to heaven.



Any idea that DEW make people disappear, pulverize anything, or even transfer energy on the scale of nuclear weapons must be called by its proper name: DELUSION.


And there is nothing more to say.
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Oystein,

Once and for all, will you stop nit-picking against those who are seeking to come to grips with the power, influence and fraud of the MIC, please. Are you ever going to direct your attention to the MIC or not? :eye-poppi
 
jammonius said:
Oystein,

You continue to post up one obstacle after another in an apparent attempt to derail the placement of the focus on the MIC. Would you please stop doing that. The MIC is a huge problem in the USA and has been for decades. It is hightime we take ex-President Eisenhower's admonition seriously. If you do not wish to do so, would you at least consider refraining from the derailing tactics. Enough already, Oystein.

I think this thread is likely to develop irrespective of your antics, so you might as well cease and desist from engaging in them and start posting up meaningfully if you can.

sheesh :mad:
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jammonius, you don't realize it still, do you?
The questions that this thread is attempting to answer are answered. The question may be framed as such:

Did SAIC, ARA or other companies of the MIC destroy the WTC with DEW?

The answer is: No.

The evidence has been posted by you and Dr. Judy Wood. It consists of direct displays of the capabilities and capacities of the most advanced high-energy DEW in the arsenal of the MIC.
These top DEW are MW-class lasers, capable of destroying thin metal shells of small objects like rockets and mortar rounds.

The Energy that can be Directed at targets with these Weapons is known by order of magnitude and has been posted up in this thread: It is about equivalent to the energy content of a continental breakfast.

The energy required to effect the "dustifications" and other destructions that Dr. Judy Wood talks about can also be computed, to by order of magnitude. It is equivalent to a small nuclear bomb.
There are about 5 orders of magnitude between what is required and what is in existence today.


This uncontrovertably proves beyond the slightes shadow of a doubt: DEW were not used to destroy the WTC, and SAIC, ARA etc. are therefore not implicated in such destructions.




This is all the answer you need to successfully conclude this thread.



Get it now, jammonius?
 
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jammonius said:
Oystein,

Once and for all, will you stop nit-picking against those who are seeking to come to grips with the power, influence and fraud of the MIC, please. Are you ever going to direct your attention to the MIC or not? :eye-poppi
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I have directed my attention to the MIC.
I have discovered the most ambitious mobile DEW projects: Northop Grunman and Boeing are among the companies involved here,
I have found out their capabilities and capacities.
You, jammonius, helped by posting up pictures of these most powerful mobile DEW in the arsenal of the MIC at work. Dr. Judy Wood also has such systems on her website.
I have quantified the DEW capabilities of the MIC for you: They can destroy small metal objects and melt a few ounces of steel by directing as much energy at a target as you may take in by eating a continental breakfast.
That is 5 orders of mangnitude away from what would be required to do the things Dr. Judy Wood thinks were done ("dustification" of most of the concrete and steel of the twin towers; the lifting against gravity of a significant portion of the twin towers to the upper atmosphere).



You see this is like asking if 10 soldiers could invade Japan.
Or investigating whether a garden snail could crawl from New York City to Boston in 30 minutes.
Or speculating whether the olympic record in weight lifting will one day approach 25.000 tons (that's the total mass of the core columns of WTC1)
Or trying to find a football stadium that seats the entire population of this planet.

Yes, inquiring if the WTC was brought down by DEW is just as ridiculous as these examples. They all share the property of being 5 orders of magnitude away from reality.
 
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