Ed All 43 videos "Second Hit"" [Explosion]at WTC 2: Plane or No Plane?

[Disbelief]

The one main weakness of the book is that it, like everything else associated with proof of claim of planes on 9/11, relies on secondhand sourcing, innuendo and guesswork.

I usually do not respond to you, as you have clearly shown no interest in debating in good faith. However, this line coming from you is just too funny since this is how you have conducted your entire argument.

 

[TJM]

You're inaccurate, as usual.

Let me also place the entire NO PLANE claim in proper perspective, once and for all, as it relates to the continued, persistent need of some to repeat the "1000s of witnesses" mantra:

There are only a few people who claim to have seen and heard a jetliner. Most say they saw and heard "an explosion" and are willing to infer it was a jetliner, after seeing it replayed on teevee and/or being told it was seen on teevee.

Your assumption is those on your crappy youtube clips and quote mined documents are the only people who saw planes fly into the towers. Which is why it's necessary for you to hand wave the thousands, possibly hundreds of thousands of people who were in and around lower Manhattan, the thousands more who were watching from New Jersey and the millions who saw it live on TV. In your world that reality is impossible, because it cuts right to the heart of your delusion and cannot even be considered, so they don't exist. This is your reminder that they're not going away, as much as you desperately want them to.

 

[Sabretooth]

Facts and Evidence > Quote-Mining and Nonsense

Jammy, your arguments fail to even produce a rational thought, let alone anything of substance. Let the thread die already.

 

[jammonius]

I usually do not respond to you, as you have clearly shown no interest in debating in good faith. However, this line coming from you is just too funny since this is how you have conducted your entire argument.

Good faith? By that I take it you mean I do not respond as you would have me respond. I am quite sure that the fallacy vigilantes who post in or lurk around this thread can easily identify the one you have relied on, but hey, it is not my task to critique your posting style.

On page 96 of this thread (assuming your settings are 40posts/page; or, if not, the posts ##3800+), you will find, for instance, quotations from the Lynn Spencer book that I rely on for the making of my jingoistic claim. It is very plain, right on the page my first quote is taken from that she is doing all she can NOT to call the 9/11 Commission Report a blatant 'cover up' which would be the correct way to put it. Instead, she does so in a way that is overly gentile, far too polite, given what the report does, namely, mislead us, and therefore her statement is jingoistic.

If you disagree with my assessment, then fine, please feel free to post and say so.

Also on pg. 96, I post up a video segment containing sound along with two separate eye/ear witnesses who's description of the sound associated with the explosion at the South Tower matches that heard in the video.

Your account of what you consider to be 'good faith' is, therefore, very interesting, to put it no more harshly than that.

all the best

 

[jammonius]

Facts and Evidence > Quote-Mining and Nonsense

Jammy, your arguments fail to even produce a rational thought, let alone anything of substance. Let the thread die already.

I detect an ever so slight indication from the above post that you may be writhing in pain. I say that because, among other reasons, you do not offer up anything at all that is specific, that even addresses anything I have posted, recently or otherwise. If you are in pain, then we already know that the truth hurts. Therefore your pain might be understandable.

Look, I understand that people want to believe a jetliner carrying the passengers/crew posted up, in part, by Compus, crashed into the South Tower.

What you seem not to understand is that I have said many, many times that I do not question people's beliefs. You are free to believe whatever you care to belive, need to believe, want to believe, have to believe, etc. for as long as you care to, need to, want to, have to. etc. to.

OK?

sheesh already

take it easy

 

[jammonius]

You're inaccurate, as usual.

Because it is not at all clear what on earth you are talking about, I here ask for clarification and/or more details.

Meanwhile, however, I am quite sure that you probably believe very deeply whatever it is that caused you to post as you did.

I am not questioning your beliefs.

However, if you take issue with the factual content of something I have posted, then do please post up your factual claims. I would be very interested in seeing what you got in that respect.

all the best

 

[CHF]

97 pages about no-planers?

Seriously?

 

[BigAl]

I have been on sabbatical of sorts, to be sure. However, during the hiatus in posting I have noticed a couple of things.

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I expect that Jam missed this excellent video posted in the C-Span tv: University of Texas Panel Discussion on 9/11 and Aviation thread.

The Air Traffic Controllers of 9/11
http://911vids.blogspot.com/2008/03/air-traffic-controllers-of-911.html
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Anyone that watches it will learn that FAA traffic controllers had all four hijacked planes on some radar screen or another from take-off to impact and that the controllers in the Newark airport tower saw flights 11 and 175 on their radar screens and saw the same planes hit the towers.

 

[BigAl]

Because it is not at all clear what on earth you are talking about, I here ask for clarification and/or more details.

Meanwhile, however, I am quite sure that you probably believe very deeply whatever it is that caused you to post as you did.

I am not questioning your beliefs.

I question my beliefs more or less continuously, especially when I am presented with new claims. I look at the supporting information and come to provisional conclusions.

None of your claims pass the giggle test.

 

[Sabretooth]

I detect an ever so slight indication from the above post that you may be writhing in pain. If so, we already know that the truth hurts and therefore your pain is understandable.

I'm sure you care about me and my pain as much as you do for the victims of 9/11. You can take your feigned sympathy and shove it.

What you seem not to understand is that I have said many, many times that I do not question people's beliefs. You are free to believe whatever you care to belive, need to believe, want to believe, have to believe, etc. for as long as you care to, need to, want to, have to. etc. to.

I understand, very well, that you have nothing better to do than troll out utter nonsense. You dodge questions like a pro...and you have offered not one single fact to back up any of your assertions.

Quote-mines, uneducated guesses, similes, flat out lies, and JAQing off DO NOT CONSTITUTE FACT. People here, including myself, have asked you the simplest of questions in an attempt to understand your twisted logic, and you REFUSE to answer them.

I understand that you don't want to seem like you wasted your life and have become a failure after 9 years, but it's OK, Jammy, we're here for you.

 

[TJM]

Because it is not at all clear what on earth you are talking about, I here ask for clarification and/or more details.

Meanwhile, however, I am quite sure that you probably believe very deeply whatever it is that caused you to post as you did.

I am not questioning your beliefs.

However, if you take issue with the factual content of something I have posted, then do please post up your factual claims. I would be very interested in seeing what you got in that respect.

all the best

Scroll up.

 

[Bell]

Hello Jammonius, are you Jerry Leaphart?

Let me answer that for you. Yes, you are.

Jerry Leaphart is Dewy Wood's attorney. He is the guy to go to when you have killed someone and need an attorney to had wave away all the incriminating evidence and serve the court a cold plate of word salad.

 

[9/11 Chewy Defense]

Wow, this thread's still alive?

I thought after 97 pages Jammy would get the hint that we don't care what it thinks or says. Cause we know that 97 pages of rehashed non-sense & no evidence of "no-planes" is wasting our time.

We're wasting our time with a TROLL!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELTA1U6F704

DON'T FEED THE TROLL!

 

[sheeplesnshills]

Let me check for accuracy, are you being purposefully naive, or do you not grasp the nature, extent and purpose of a PSYOP, the concept of GROUP THINK and/or the effect of the POWER OF SUGGESTION?"

I could ask you the same question. Why do you think a plane did not hit the building. We have muliple high quality videos of it happening and multiple witnesses. Why should we think they have all be faked as opposed top you simply being insane?

"Let me also place the entire NO PLANE claim in proper perspective, once and for all, as it relates to the continued, persistent need of some to repeat the "1000s of witnesses" mantra:"
There are only a few people who claim to have seen and heard a jetliner. Most say they saw and heard "an explosion" and are willing to infer it was a jetliner, after seeing it replayed on teevee and/or being told it was seen on teevee.

Only a few were ever asked to write down their experiences, that does not mean only a few witnessed it. If 43 plus vidoes caught it, it seems fairly fsafe to say at least 10X or 100X saw it but never gave an written statement about it. Why would they?

Because of the power of suggestion, the nature of psyops and the jingoistic "Christian vs Muslim" xenophobia that was interwoven into the psyop, the only reliable indicators of the event are those that date from as close to the actual event as possible. First hand, sense impressions are the very best. That is why, for instance, the DICK OLIVER videos rank so high in the hierarchy of evidence: They are firsthand, uncensored, unaffected by teevee, accounts of what happened. As you might recall, ALL persons who came up to Dick Oliver's microphone and camera and who said what happened said, in substance, just as David Stollick(sp) said in fact, that:

Rubbish. Just because somebody only saw part of what happened does not mean something else di not happen as well. The hits were 800feet up in the air, most folks were not looking at that part of the towers when they weere hit so most only saw the explosions when they heard them. However some were watching and some videoing and we have their reports. Now if you can prove that they were all lying and that all the videos are faked....but you can't, can you?

"...it was jist an explosion..."

Of course, no poster here has any answer to the factual truth posted here. Many simply ignore it or pretend not to understand or seek, vainly I might add, to find fault with the facts as they are.

rubbish, see above

Hint: It is better to just consider the facts as they are and admit there are an abundance of NO PLANE facts

then why don't you show us some???? you keep showing us proof that planes did hit! The fact that you can't tell the difference is your problem not ours.

 

[sheeplesnshills]

Facts and Evidence > Quote-Mining and Nonsense

Jammy, your arguments fail to even produce a rational thought, let alone anything of substance. Let the thread die already.

Jammy can't let it die because its the only thing that keeps him going. It lets him pretend that he is of value and relevant when in fact he is just a sad little man with no life, posting from a shabby bedroom or basement.

 

[DGM]

DON'T FEED THE TROLL!

Chewy, in case you haven't noticed, everyone now is just screwing with these guys for giggles. Don't suggest we stop playing with our toys.

 

[9/11 Chewy Defense]

Chewy, in case you haven't noticed, everyone now is just screwing with these guys for giggles. Don't suggest we stop playing with our toys.

I never said to stop playing with them. I just like the fact that we should find them a nice bridge to live under since they love to troll so much.

Could you image a Truther dressed like a Troll for Halloween?

 

[DGM]

I never said to stop playing with them. I just like the fact that we should find them a nice bridge to live under since they love to troll so much.

Could you image a Truther dressed like a Troll for Halloween?

Have you ever heard the expression "give them enough rope"? That's what "debunking" has become (at least for 9/11 "truth").

 

[9/11 Chewy Defense]

Have you ever heard the expression "give them enough rope"? That's what "debunking" has become (at least for 9/11 "truth").

Yup! That's why I love dopes on ropes!

 

[DGM]

Yup! That's why I love dopes on ropes!

The funny thing is, I convince more "fence sitters" by quoting "truthers".