Evidence for why we know the New Testament writers told the truth.

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C'mon guys, be nice to DOC. I mean, he may not be able to argue his way out of a single premise lemma, but he did start this thread without this thread.we' never had met Ironicles the Logician, Nimrod the herring or the ubiqutious Aberhaten. We'd never had produced this Spring's hit musical "Evidence! The Musical". DOC bingo wouldn't even exist in even my fevered brain. Think of all we've gsined before you go hating on DOC.
 
I 'came out' to a couple of friends at dinner tonight. Turns out one is an atheist and the other is agnostic. Who knew? We're all going to mass tomorrow (a funeral). Funny world.
 
I need to unsubscribe from this uselessness. It's not even a train wreck anymore, the accident's been cleared away and everything is normal. Back DOC into a corner and he retreats to days of prayer...

"God, please let there be enough posts over the next 10 days so that I can start my arguments anew"
 
We shouldn't be so harsh on DOC. After all, the discoverer, or the man who mapped the human genome whose name escapes at this moment wrote a book titled The Language Of God explaining how it was god who is ultimately responsible for the evolution of life in the universe by designing it.
I'll post the name soon. I'll Google it. :p
 
C'mon guys, be nice to DOC. I mean, he may not be able to argue his way out of a single premise lemma, but he did start this thread without this thread.we' never had met Ironicles the Logician, Nimrod the herring or the ubiqutious Aberhaten. We'd never had produced this Spring's hit musical "Evidence! The Musical". DOC bingo wouldn't even exist in even my fevered brain. Think of all we've gsined before you go hating on DOC.


Don't forget the DOC Bingo!
 
I wonder what became of these dudes . . .


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C'mon guys, be nice to DOC. I mean, he may not be able to argue his way out of a single premise lemma, but he did start this thread without this thread.we' never had met Ironicles the Logician, Nimrod the herring or the ubiqutious Aberhaten. We'd never had produced this Spring's hit musical "Evidence! The Musical". DOC bingo wouldn't even exist in even my fevered brain. Think of all we've gsined before you go hating on DOC.

Don't forget the DOC Bingo!





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It's all a bit quiet, isn't it?

Maybe the sort of quiet you get in the classic Westerns, where the Sergeant turns to the officer, and says,"It's too quiet, sir". Then you hear the thud of the arrow, and the Sergerant falls back slowly with the arrow sticking out of his chest.....

However, thank you to cj.23 for the pointers - I've done a little research into Eusebius.

Now as a source for the accuracy of the NT authors. I'd suggest he's a bit suspect.

His dates: c. 263-339 would make it a tad difficult for him to have been an eye-witness. I understand that he used a lot of stuff from Origen - c, 185-254 - who would also appear to have been an unlikely eye-witness. So, we seem to have at the very least 2nd/3rd hand accounts.

It's also interesting that Eusebius (at about 20-25 years old) was a student of Pamphilius, who used Origen's library as a foundation. Because of a close relationship with his schoolmaster, Eusebius was apparently know as the "son of Pamphilius". The primary aim of Origen and Pamphilus' school was to promote sacred learning. However,
marginal comments in extant manuscripts note that Pamphilus and his friends and pupils, including Eusebius, corrected and revised much of the biblical text in their library.

So - I think the important part of the previous sentence is clear - if any biblical data comes from this source, you have to wonder about its closeness to the original. I suspect that it's impossible to identify which parts of the "current" NT were "corrected" by this team of graffiti artists, so maybe all of the NT should be treated with suspicion..... :)

It's also interesting that Eusebius - in Praeparatio evengelica (XII, 31) wrote, “That it will be necessary sometimes to use falsehood as a remedy for the benefit of those who require such a mode of treatment”. So - "Lies for Jesus" starts here....

Eusebius was also very involved with the Arian question, and became a close friend of Emperor Constantine. So much so, that after the Emperor's death, he wrote a panegyric entitled the "Life of Constantine."

So - maybe some of what he wrote was tainted by the politics of the Arian controversy -he was pro-Arian BTW, and came out on the losing side.

As a conclusion, therefore, I think that to use Eusebius as a reference for the accuracy of the NT authors or the martydom of the apostles is - "Busted!"

Ciao,
 
When I read about the response of Christians to Emperor Constantine, I can't help thinking that they appear to have sold out their beliefs for the "Comfy Chair"!

Didn't they change the Sabbath to match with Sun worship, and other stuff? There seems to have been an unseemly rush to get their snouts in the trough, with as much gold as they could eat, chauffeured chariots and frankincense and myrrh in every bathroom.

Jesus would have been spinning in his grave - if he ever had one, of course.... :)
 
As a conclusion, therefore, I think that to use Eusebius as a reference for the accuracy of the NT authors or the martydom of the apostles is - "Busted!"

Ciao,


No I'm not suggesting you use Eusebius as an eyewitness of the NT! I was suggesting (see other books) that you use it as a primary source for early Church history. I mean the first three centuries: I was specifically meaning the creation of hristianity, and all that follows. Eusebius preserves Hegesippus and others in passing, through his own distorted lens..
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Why are you guys putting up with DOC.

Hello, I did not die. I have been busy on Facebook with a good collection of Atheist Friends.

A new member got upset because a brain dead Christian told him he was wrong. I gave him the link to this forum so he could see what a REAL Braib Dead Bible Thumper is really like.

I have done a lot more reading about the origin of Christianity and am more convinced than ever how much BS it is.

Here is my Facebook page for anyone interested.
http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001518984395#!/profile.php?id=100001518984395&v=wall
 
I wonder what became of these dudes . . .


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No I'm not suggesting you use Eusebius as an eyewitness of the NT! I was suggesting (see other books) that you use it as a primary source for early Church history. I mean the first three centuries: I was specifically meaning the creation of hristianity, and all that follows. Eusebius preserves Hegesippus and others in passing, through his own distorted lens..
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cj x

I didn't believe that of you... :)

However, DOC may be using Eusebius as if he had been an eye-witness....
 
I would like to mention the theory that Christianity was plagairized from Egypt Astrotheology. I have been aware of that for some years. At the moment I am reading books by Acharya S. Now before anyone tells me they are all crap, I urge you to go to this link: http://www.stellarhousepublishing.com/zeitgeist.html Read it carefully and watch the short video. I say this because I am aware of criticisms of a nasy nature of Acharya S. and her work. I will address honest and fair comments, but will not have anything to do with comments that come from narrow minded brainwashed Christians who insist the bible is the "inspired word of god", or those who have not studied closely the unbaised history of the origin and foundation of Christianity.

A little comment about Eusebius. I haven't been through all the repiles here, but I will point out the it seems the reference to Jesus in Bk. XVIII of Josephus "Antiquities of the Jews" was a later forged entry possibly by Eusebius.
 
There is more evidence for eyewitnesses to Joseph Smith's golden tablets than to any events of the start of the first century. At least there were 12-13 signed papers that said so.
 
It's all a bit quiet, isn't it?

Maybe the sort of quiet you get in the classic Westerns, where the Sergeant turns to the officer, and says,"It's too quiet, sir". Then you hear the thud of the arrow, and the Sergerant falls back slowly with the arrow sticking out of his chest.....


Not quite. DOC is coming back after 10 days, with a new munition, evidence that the writer of the NT told the truth.

here is him coming back for this thread with a vengeance :

 
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