Burn a Quran day

[bobcarp]

I have the freedom of speach to go to some big biker dude and call me a big fat pussy. But if I do, he just might beat my ass into the ground. And if he does, well I provoked it. The problem is if instead of beating my ass, he just goes and beats someone elses ass, some innocent person that had nothing to do with me calling him a pussy. The muslims angered by the burning unfortunately are not going to go find this nut pastor, they're just gonna go to some busy street corner and detonate a bomb that's gonna kill people that had nothing to do with the koran burning. If the angry muslims would just go get the people buring the korans, then it would be a different story...

 

[Sherman Bay]

Here's Bob Park's take on the situation:

Saturday was supposed to be International Burn a Koran Day, decreed by Baptist minister Terry Jones in Gainesville, Florida...The last thing I saw on the news this morning was protestors in Jalalabad, or someplace, pushing signs printed in English in front of the cameras. The signs vowed revenge, but it wasn't a threat to burn Bibles in revenge, which would be harmless, but to kill Americans and Jews.

I think that speaks volumes.

 

[Checkmite]

It's not 'incitement to riot' because in order for it to be that the person doing the inciting first needs a crowd capable of rioting and secondly has to be directly encouraging illegal behavior. Burning a Koran isnt directly encouraging Muslims to kill people; if they make that decision they do it all by themselves. The fact that his actions might hypothetically encourage some people in Afghanistan to kill a couple more US soldiers than they already would have killed this week isn't incitement to anything. The 'rioters' are on the other side of the planet.

 

[Marquis de Carabas]

Why people in this forum are actively taking sides in this holy-war-by-proxy is beyond me.

I'm just rooting for it to last as long as possible, because the massive absurdity from all sides is the most entertainment I've had all year.

I don't know if it's been mentioned here yet, but there's a facebook movement to buy Korans on Burn Koran Day. Yet another faction of absurdity in this little circus.

 

[Checkmite]

I have the freedom of speach to go to some big biker dude and call me a big fat pussy. But if I do, he just might beat my ass into the ground. And if he does, well I provoked it.

But he would still go to jail for it. Because the only one responsible for his actions is him.

 

[bobcarp]

The fact that his actions might hypothetically encourage some people in Afghanistan to kill a couple more US soldiers than they already would have killed this week isn't incitement to anything. The 'rioters' are on the other side of the planet.

So I guess, what's a couple more US Soldiers ....

 

[noreligion]

It's not 'incitement to riot' because in order for it to be that the person doing the inciting first needs a crowd capable of rioting and secondly has to be directly encouraging illegal behavior. Burning a Koran isnt directly encouraging Muslims to kill people; if they make that decision they do it all by themselves. The fact that his actions might hypothetically encourage some people in Afghanistan to kill a couple more US soldiers than they already would have killed this week isn't incitement to anything. The 'rioters' are on the other side of the planet.

So that makes burning a koran constitutionally protected freedom of speech? What about breach of peace? Would you care to hazard a guess as to why the FBI visited this idiot Jones?

 

[Checkmite]

The news articles quite plainly said the FBI was there to brief him on threats to his life and explain the security measures they planned to provide on the day of the event.

 

[noreligion]

So I guess, what's a couple more US Soldiers ....

Seems to me the incitement law says nothing about the proximity of the rioters to the inciter. Maybe Checkmite has some unknown legal connection giving him an unheard of definition.

 

[noreligion]

The news articles quite plainly said the FBI was there to brief him on threats to his life and explain the security measures they planned to provide on the day of the event.

According to who? Jones refused to comment and so did the FBI (as of yesterday).

 

[bobcarp]

But he would still go to jail for it. Because the only one responsible for his actions is him.

The terrorist are going to blow themselves up, so I don't think jail is a real concern of theirs.

 

[Checkmite]

As to what makes burning a book a constitutionally-protected form of speech, it's the fact that the act is done to communicate an idea or set of ideas ("we don't feel Islam is worthy of respect" in this case) and the act does not infringe upon anyone else's legal or constitutional rights.

 

[Checkmite]

Seems to me the incitement law says nothing about the proximity of the rioters to the inciter. Maybe Checkmite has some unknown legal connection giving him an unheard of definition.

You seem to think the actions of another country's citizens fall under the purview of municipal law enforcement in Tennessee (or wherever). Also, if the guy never says anything advocating illegal activity, he's not inciting anything.

 

[noreligion]

As to what makes burning a book a constitutionally-protected form of speech, it's the fact that the act is done to communicate an idea or set of ideas ("we don't feel Islam is worthy of respect" in this case) and the act does not infringe upon anyone else's legal or constitutional rights.

It isn't a breach of peace? What specifically is protected by the constitution as free speech and why? Why can't you people answer a direct question? At this point is is indisputable that this is an illegal act. Would you guys prefer anarchy?

 

[bobcarp]

As to what makes burning a book a constitutionally-protected form of speech, it's the fact that the act is done to communicate an idea or set of ideas ("we don't feel Islam is worthy of respect" in this case) and the act does not infringe upon anyone else's legal or constitutional rights.

I don't think any religion is worthy of respect, and I'm not afriad to hurt feelings or give my opinion that believing in some invisible magical being is foolish, but if my offending is possibly going to endanger someone else then I would probably would not do it.

 

[bokonon]

I'm still waiting for those who were screaming free speech to explain how this isn't a breach of peace and possibly an incitement to riot. Seems they were so quick to scream that this is freedom of speech but now they became strangely silent. Wonder why that is?

Several people have posted an answer, but rather than acknowledge this and address their answers, you bizarrely assert that no answers have been forthcoming. Wonder why that is?

 

[noreligion]

You seem to think the actions of another country's citizens fall under the purview of municipal law enforcement in Tennessee (or wherever). Also, if the guy never says anything advocating illegal activity, he's not inciting anything.

You mean Jones is carrying a gun to protect himself from death threats made by people safely distant (as in overseas) and there are no Muslims in America? Do you live in a closet since you apparently think America is just white Anglo Saxon Christians?

 

[Checkmite]

It isn't a breach of peace?

Of course not. I don't see why it would be.

What specifically is protected by the constitution as free speech and why? Why can't you people answer a direct question? At this point is is indisputable that this is an illegal act. Would you guys prefer anarchy?

I directly answered the question.

 

[bokonon]

So we just need more common Quran burnings?

We should change it from "Burn a Quran Day" to "Burn a Quran a Day"!

I'm just rooting for it to last as long as possible, because the massive absurdity from all sides is the most entertainment I've had all year.

If people start killing people over it, there might be a little "I am Spartacus" follow-on action, like the draw Mohammed movement.

 

[Checkmite]

I don't think any religion is worthy of respect, and I'm not afriad to hurt feelings or give my opinion that believing in some invisible magical being is foolish, but if my offending is possibly going to endanger someone else then I would probably would not do it.

I wouldn't either - something I brought up during the 'draw Mohammed' business - but you've got to understand that were dealing with religious people. Like the building of the mosque, Jones and friends have convinced themselves that there's 'principles' at stake and that there's no way they can cry off without being seen as crumbling under the other side's pressure.