Coast to Coast AM Debate, August 21 2010

[9/11 Chewy Defense]

You love it when Kim Johnson lies about the dogs being able to detect nano-thermite and then accuses Mr. Gage of making stuff up.

I love it when Kim Johnson makes fun of your "hero". And yes, Gage does make stuff up all the time. Don't you know what Gage is doing is taking your money & putting it in his own bank account so he can go on vacation, pretending to be a "patriot" for a "noble cause"?

 

[9/11 Chewy Defense]

I just presented the evidence but you refuse to accept it because you are in denial too.

Dude, I've studied your ilk for some time. Here's my blog: http://911truthersexposed.blogspot.com/2009/10/911-truthers-exposed.html

The only person who is in denial is you. Along with your paranoid fantasies! Everything you believe in is false & inaccurate & nothing but a bunch of lies to make you feel better. Dude, you've been had by the 9/11 TM.

 

[alienentity]

yet the morons cling to it like a drowning man to a life preserver.

Make that 'like a drowning man to a boat anchor'

 

[Christopher7]

EVERY professional controlled demolition involves window removal. If you set off explosives in a structure that still has windows, you create a lethal hazard from shrapnel.
Funny that neither windows exploding, nor shrapnel injuries outside the ordinary collapse radius, were observed.

Everyone was moved back over 2,000 feet or had six blocks of buildings between them and WTC 7.
http://a.imageshack.us/img827/5109/streetnames.jpg

The explosions were on the lower floors that could not be seen. Note in this video that there is smoke covering the lower floors before the collapse.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=926V_0C3pdQ

This is consistent with the statement by Daryl that the lower floors were on fire. He described a CD. A clap of thunder, a shock wave ripping thru the building and all the windows busted out.

 

[Christopher7]

Dude, I've studied your ilk for some time. Here's my blog: http://911truthersexposed.blogspot.com/2009/10/911-truthers-exposed.html

You believe the nuttiest conspiracy of them all and say:
"It goes without saying, that any of us who argue against Conspiracy Theories are part of the Conspiracy. The Conspiracy Theories are fairy story realities, they are a narrative which improves apon reality itself."
apon > upon

The conspiracy theory about 19 nut-jobs getting by the most sophisticated military in the world and flying a plane into their headquarters is a fairytale that you embrace.

You don't even know what the word "conspiracy" means. The FBI has charged OBL with conspiracy. Do you think the FBI is a bunch of nut-jobs?

 

[Chorduroy]

Everyone was moved back over 2,000 feet or had six blocks of buildings between them and WTC 7.
http://a.imageshack.us/img827/5109/streetnames.jpg

The explosions were on the lower floors that could not be seen. Note in this video that there is smoke covering the lower floors before the collapse.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=926V_0C3pdQ

This is consistent with the statement by Daryl that the lower floors were on fire. He described a CD. A clap of thunder, a shock wave ripping thru the building and all the windows busted out.

Daryl?

 

[Miragememories]

Funny that neither windows exploding, nor shrapnel injuries outside the ordinary collapse radius, were observed.

And who pray tell was within "the ordinary collapse radius" to make this observation?

Too funny.

MM

 

[beachnut]

And who pray tell was within "the ordinary collapse radius" to make this observation?

Too funny.

MM

the people who survived in the Towers, in the stairwells.

No blast damage; make your delusions pure nonsense, made up out of ignorance, lies and hearsay. Good job, you took 8 years to make zero progress. What is next? Gage is spreading lies to make a living.

 

[triforcharity]

The point I was making was that the impacts had nothing to do with where the collapse occurred as the person I had responded to (Bad Boy) seemed to think.

Additionally, your response is far from rigorous and the lack of steel with high temperature evidence belies your simple guess for the shout in the dark that it is. The factors of safety designed into the structures of the twin towers were 3.00 to 1 minimum so most of the steel would have had to be heated to at least 650 degrees C if a natural fire based collapse that you and some others are maintaining here were true, and there would have been a massive amount of steel from the 98th floor of WTC 1 and the 82nd floor of WTC 2 with evidence of having experienced these very high temperatures. There is none.

Really? So the collapse started far away from the impact zones? No, of course not. The collapses began right where one would expect them to. Where the impacts occured.

Hasn't Makey explained that your safety margin is wrong?

Also, did they examine 100% of the steel from that region? Not to my knowledge. Could the steel have heated to 650deg.C with a jet fuel fire? Absolutely. Without a doubt. In fact, NatGeo even demonstrated that jet fuel can, and will, reach 2,000 deg. F in less than 4 minutes.

I can assure you, that just because we dont have the steel to show that the heat got that high, it still did. Without a doubt. Add in all the contents of the towers, and you can easily reach 2,000 deg. F easily. Especially considering the fuel loading, it would take less than 15 minutes to do so.

 

[triforcharity]

Technical reports on disasters usually have physical evidence to support what they are saying. We don't here and it is a serious criticism.

Your sighing and seeming exasperation has no basis here and is ridiculous.

No, absolutely false Tony. I don't care if we didn't have a single piece of steel available, fuel loading and heat can be calculated to within a few dozen degrees fairly easily. I do it day in and day out.

Hydrocarbon fires will burn anywhere from 1500 deg. F - 2100 deg. F. Could the steal weaken to a point of failure at 1500 deg. F? Yes, absolutely.

You are an educated man Tony, but why does this not sink in?

 

[grandmastershek]

You are an educated man Tony, but why does this not sink in?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_dissonance

 

[triforcharity]

I'm not a big fan of the "thermite hypothesis", but it did strike me that the pair of debunkers must have been truly desperate, when one of them said the dogs would have caught the thermite as it was being taken into the building.

They would have, considering the dogs were trained specifically to detect incendiaries.

 

[triforcharity]

You love it when Kim Johnson lies about the dogs being able to detect nano-thermite and then accuses Mr. Gage of making stuff up.

If they can detect thermite, why wouldn't they be able to detect nano-thermite? Same basic ingrediants......

 

[triforcharity]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_dissonance

I see......

 

[ozeco41]

If they can detect thermite, why wouldn't they be able to detect nano-thermite? Same basic ingrediants......

Does it need nano-dogs?

 

[grandmastershek]

If they can detect thermite, why wouldn't they be able to detect nano-thermite? Same basic ingrediants......

Its like how the collapses couldn't happen since the pieces of the upper block got smaller.

 

[carlitos]

Hydrocarbon fires will burn anywhere from 1500 deg. F - 2100 deg. F. Could the steal weaken to a point of failure at 1500 deg. F? Yes, absolutely.

You are an educated man Tony, but why does this not sink in?

You are talking about "office cubicle fires" here?

Tony doesn't have much to add to the conversation.

 

[lapman]

Everyone was moved back over 2,000 feet or had six blocks of buildings between them and WTC 7.
http://a.imageshack.us/img827/5109/streetnames.jpg

They already figured out that the building was going to collapse.

The explosions were on the lower floors that could not be seen.

They could not be heard either.

Note in this video that there is smoke covering the lower floors before the collapse.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=926V_0C3pdQ

Which is inconsistant to CD.

This is consistent with the statement by Daryl that the lower floors were on fire. He described a CD. A clap of thunder, a shock wave ripping thru the building and all the windows busted out.

With the exception that there has never been a CD done before or since 9/11 that has been described as such nor has been done while a building has been on fire. So again, just like your FFA argument, you claim CD without there being anything to compare it to. More importantly, real CD's completely contradict what you are claiming. "Because I said so" does not work here. Provide real evidence.

 

[grandmastershek]

Everyone was moved back over 2,000 feet or had six blocks of buildings between them and WTC 7.
http://a.imageshack.us/img827/5109/streetnames.jpg

How can you get footage of building collapse if there are buildings between you and the building?

 

[Sam.I.Am]

Everyone was moved back over 2,000 feet or had six blocks of buildings between them and WTC 7.
http://a.imageshack.us/img827/5109/streetnames.jpg

2,000 feet? So they moved people back to a distance that was over three times the height of the building? Exaggerate much? I can recall reading distances of 300 feet up to maybe 600 feet being mentioned for the pre-collapse exclusion zone depending upon what source you wanted to go by. 2,000 feet puts you well into the Hudson river.