Evidence for why we know the New Testament writers told the truth.

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Resume said:
Doc:

What's the extra ten days gonna effen do?

Thanks,

Resume.
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Provide enough to time to pretend that his arguments weren't fully destroyed, allowing him to restart with post 1 "evidence".
 
DOC said:
We've already went over Oral Tradition evidence in some depth. And yes there is a difference between oral tradition and legend. I'd advise you read Ralph Muncaster's book "Examine the Evidence" where he talks about this in some depth.

Here is a post and a link that talks about the importance of Oral Tradition in that era of little literacy and expensive parchment (no paper).

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=6033221#post6033221

http://www.aish.com/jl/48943186.html
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The Oral Tradition sucks in the same old way.
 
Simon39759 said:
Truthiness I believe.
Analysis of evidence is all well and good for mere truth, but you need more to reach true truthiness. You need ANALYZATION!
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I think ANALYZATION conflicts with the Oral Tradition.
 
DOC said:
You need to do more research than just Wiki. Your statement is false and I will go more in depth within 10 days.
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You need to stop pretending that you know what you're talking about.

Make sure you include Gibbon in your 'research' over the next ten days, DOC.


In the time of Tertullian and Clemens of Alexandria [late 2nd - early 3rd centuries] the glory of martyrdom was confined to St Peter, St Paul and St James.

It was gradually bestowed on the rest of the apostles by the more recent Greeks, who prudently selected for the theatre of their preaching and sufferings some remote country beyond the limits of the Roman empire.
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The monks of succeeding ages, who in their peaceful solitudes, entertained themselves with diversifying the deaths and suffering of the primitive martyrs, have frequently invented torments of a much more refined and ingenious nature.
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– Chapter 15, The History of the Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire by Edward Gibbon.​
 
Hokulele said:
Thinking on this further, I have a couple of questions for DOC.

Have you read any of the non-canonical writings from the early Christian period? Have you read any of the Gnostic Gospels?

Why do you think these were left out of the New Testament when many of these supported the things you are claiming better than some of the books that were left in (such as Revelation)? If inconsistency is OK and oral tradition is so important, why did early church leaders go through so much effort to stamp much of it out?
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DOC might like to add this book to his library to help him with his research.


We know relatively little of the mother-church in Judaea. Most of the twelve disciples disappear from history . . .

By the 3rd century romantic legends began, describing the missionary travels of the twelve . . . They are derived from the apocryphal romances about the apostles which became widespread popular reading in the latter half of the 2nd century.
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– Henry Chadwick, The Early Church (Page 17)​
 
The trouble with DOC, and many other xtians, is that they refuse to read critical analysis books of the christian religion and it's origins. It's the same thing in islam. Do Mormons read the crap Joseph Smith wrote? What about Hubbard, a science fiction writer for christ sake.
 
Last seen boarding a ship bound for Corinth, following Gospel writer Thomas Sir Ramsay Geisler's highly detailed accurate accounts as demonstrated by the 84 accurate facts exhibited in . . .

uh oh.


"Lighthouses are more useful than churches."

- Benjamin Franklin​
 
Akhenaten said:
DOC might like to add this book to his library to help him with his research.




– Henry Chadwick, The Early Church (Page 17)​
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I'd say the primary reference was this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_History_(Eusebius) which can be found here http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/2501.htm or purchased here if you don't lik reading online here http://www.amazon.co.uk/History-Chu...=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1284032536&sr=8-1

For secondary academic literature I would recommend
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Unity-Diver...=sr_1_3?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1284032625&sr=1-3

and
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Parting-Way...e-Character/dp/0334029996/ref=ntt_at_ep_dpi_8

and

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Jesus-Remembered-Christianity-Making-v/dp/0802839312/ref=pd_bxgy_b_text_b

plus
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Beginning-Jerusalem-v-Christianity-Making/dp/0802839320/ref=ntt_at_ep_dpi_4

It's well worth reading Sanders and Vermes as well of course

Hope useful
cj x
 
zooterkin said:
The rate he's going, he'll be able to discuss it face-to-face with Aberhaten by this time next week.
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I saw the "what book is everyone reading" thread, and thought that maybe DOC is taking 10 days to finally read the bible. He should be done with the last book he referenced by now.

I had an early Christian history, mostly about Paul, that I haven't read in years. I may have to dig it up and have another go. The only thing I remember was that it said that Paul was a "gym rat."
 
carlitos said:
I saw the "what book is everyone reading" thread, and thought that maybe DOC is taking 10 days to finally read the bible. He should be done with the last book he referenced by now.
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If DOC could actually read (and understand) this thread wouldn't even exist.

But I am glad that it does - if ever I wanted to try and 'deconvert' a christian friend, I'd show them this as an example of the lack of evidence to show that the NT writers told the truth and, moreover, the extent that christians will lie to try and show otherwise.
 
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