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Showdown in Washington, D.C.

mhaze said:
I can assure you that now, in the past, or in 25 years there is not, was not, and will not be any defining moment in American History known as an "MKL Speech".
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Might as well crawl back under the bridge. You aren't bothering to learn anything while you walk around out in the sun.

The "I Have a Dream" speech is part of our culture, in art, literature and music.

You are drowning in denial.
 
Ladewig said:
So you are really going to assume the stance that a person who has said that the first black president is racist against white people and is literally standing in the footsteps of MLK on the anniversary of his "I have a Dream" speech is not a controversial event.
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Beck has apologized.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=izFapGN0i9A


ETA: Oh and by the way: One Million People. You have yet to say how this number is useful, reasonable, or accurate in any way despite your posts saying that there were between 500,000 and 2,000,000 people.
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That was a range that was reported. NBC and SkyNews have said 500,000. It is as useful as the exact 87,000 figure (+/- 9000).
 
Biscuit said:
Are you really turning this into a "his looks bigger than his" argument? Thats a rational and scientific approach to the problem.

So do you have a methodology for supporting the claims of several hundred thousand?
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Can somone get the measurements from the podium to the other end of the reflecting pool and out into those areas paralleling it?

Then find the distance from Obama's podium to that building in the background and the width of that field.

Ain't no spaces between shoulders in that Obama crowd. Can't say that for the crowd listening to Old Crocodile Tears.
 
Biscuit said:
Are you really turning this into a "his looks bigger than his" argument? Thats a rational and scientific approach to the problem.

So do you have a methodology for supporting the claims of several hundred thousand?
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Let me check with the Obama Administration to see if those who assured the media that there were 100,000 at his St. Louis event can use the same verification process for Beck's rally.
 
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Cleon said:
Can you point to any flaws in the methodology APL used, or not?
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Yes. airphotoslive does not have a track record for counting heads at any event. It would be valuable to have at least one previous estimate of crowds airphotoslive has been commissioned to report. At least with the National Parks Service, there were discrepancies noticed from one event to another using the same counting method.
 
Lurker said:
It seems a fairly large proportion of Hispanics disagree with Beck due to his positions on immigration. Let's make that at least 50% of Hispanics disagree with Beck. Since Hispanics make up 15.4% of the population that gives us 8% more Americans that disagree with Beck.
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He has also pissed off a lot of atheists and soldiers who don't like being marched off to mandatory religious services (a higher percentage than you might think of the military.)

The 70% figure came out of the wrong end of a conservative moron's torso.
 
leftysergeant said:
Ain't no spaces between shoulders in that Obama crowd. Can't say that for the crowd listening to Old Crocodile Tears.
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Even taking into account the broader deltoids, the Beck's crowd appears to be quite snug.

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I would still need a figure for the square footage of the areas. There was a void almost as big as the occupied area at the ranting lunatic's gathering.
 
dudalb said:
I would bet a year's salary on one thing:25 years from now MKL's speech will be a defining moment in American History, and only historians specializing in early 21st century America will know who the hell Glenn Beck is.
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I imagine a hundred years ago, a lot of people thought similarly about a bunch of blokes calling themselves whacky names like "Lenin" or "Stalin". Or that pompous nutjob called Moussolini, for that matter.
 
Cicero said:
Yes. airphotoslive does not have a track record for counting heads at any event. It would be valuable to have at least one previous estimate of crowds airphotoslive has been commissioned to report. At least with the National Parks Service, there were discrepancies noticed from one event to another using the same counting method.
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Why do you keep repeating this lie? Several pages ago you attacked the messenger (airphotoslive) for not having enough experience and I corrected you then. Let me say it one more time - airphotoslive did NOT make the estimate. They took the photos. Experts in the field of estimating crowds came up with the number.
 
Biscuit said:
Why do you keep repeating this lie? Several pages ago you attacked the messenger (airphotoslive) for not having enough experience and I corrected you then. Let me say it one more time - airphotoslive did NOT make the estimate. They took the photos. Experts in the field of estimating crowds came up with the number.
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Since we know that airphotoslive has zero experience in this, what other event did Steve Doig estimate the crowd and whose information was he working with? We already know that Steve is not exactly non-partisan.
 
dudalb said:
BS. The I Have a Dream Speech is a defining moment. Except for maybe the Gettysburg address and the Second Inaugual speeches of Lincoln, it is the best known speech in American History.
Or do you have something against the Civil Rights Movement?
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This is in fact your defining Moment of BS, in which you establish concisely, clearly and conclusively whether you are or are not an absolute bonehead.

Because this is so trivial and simple a matter I repeat again my former statement of fact on which you lost a year's wages.
Originally Posted by mhaze
I can assure you that now, in the past, or in 25 years there is not, was not, and will not be any defining moment in American History known as an "MKL Speech".
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Cicero said:
Even taking into account the broader deltoids, the Beck's crowd appears to be quite snug.

becksrally.jpg
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That's one big crowd. While the pitter patter of this discussion may be fun, are you going to enlighten these libs with the scientific method including the google earth plugins and 2.5/5.0/10.0 sq ft per person analysis?

Wait...did I give something away?

pssst: Don't say anything. Keep it quiet.
 
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leftysergeant said:
Might as well crawl back under the bridge. You aren't bothering to learn anything while you walk around out in the sun.

The "I Have a Dream" speech is part of our culture, in art, literature and music.

You are drowning in denial.
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Dude, read the thread. The response was not a denial of the importance of Dr. King's speech; the response was a pedantic observation of a typo made in the original post
 
mhaze said:
That's one big crowd.
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"Big" is a relative term. Yes, it's quite a crowd, but compare that to what Gillette Stadium looks like when filled to capacity.

http://de.academic.ru/pictures/dewiki/50/20090501172501!Gillette_Stadium02.jpg

Official capacity of Gillette is a mere 68,756

So unless you can provide a scientific comparative analysis between what you see at the Beck Rally and any other large crowd with a known occupancy [such as an NFL stadium] you're not going to convince anyone.
 
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Biscuit said:
Why do you keep repeating this lie? Several pages ago you attacked the messenger (airphotoslive) for not having enough experience and I corrected you then. Let me say it one more time - airphotoslive did NOT make the estimate. They took the photos. Experts in the field of estimating crowds came up with the number.
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Actually it can be said that they did. CBS hired airphotoslive and apl hired the experts.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20014993-503544.html
 
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