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Insane Clown Posse's song about 'Miracles' called worst song ever

The longer this thread goes on,the happier I am that I've never heard of them.
 
EeneyMinnieMoe said:
Agreed. As they (quite rightly) pointed out, if Celine Dion had come out with a song about rainbows and stars being "miracles", everyone would have said it was beautiful.
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To be fair, if Celine Dion had said:
" I’ve seen miracles all around me, stop and look around its all astounding, water, fire air and dirt, f***** magnets, how do they work? I don't want to talk to a scientist, yall MF lying and getting me pissed, "

I'm sure people would be complaining.
 
joobz said:
To be fair, if Celine Dion had said:
" I’ve seen miracles all around me, stop and look around its all astounding, water, fire air and dirt, f***** magnets, how do they work? I don't want to talk to a scientist, yall MF lying and getting me pissed, "

I'm sure people would be complaining.
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And to be fair they would be complaining about her language, not her use of the word "miracles". :cool:
 
3bodyproblem said:
Really?

"Every drop of rain that falls in sahara desert says it all
Its a miracle" - Queen
"You're my life's one miracle, everything I've done that's good"- Celine Dion
"Gonna take a miracle to save us this time"- Bon Jovi
"Oh baby, baby, baby, love is a magic word, yeah, If only you believe in miracles, baby So would i." Jeffercon Starship
"But I pray for small miracles too" Blue Rodeo
"Miracles happen when you're around The sunset is deeper and longer The scent of the jasmine is stronger" Pet Shop Boys
"But if I had to pick a miracle, my favorite miracle of all is you, and
me. " Frank Sinatra
"Who knows what miracles You can achieve When you believe" Mariah Carey
"I Believe in Miracles" Pearl Jam (Ramones cover)
Just about everyone explains what they don't understand in a song, a miracle. I see a lot of love,sunsets and nature called a "miracle".
I can find more lyrics, in fact there are tons in this thread alone, where lyrics describe something as mystical or magical. It's a common practice in song writing.
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I think that there is a difference between making a passing remark to miracles for one verse and dedicating the whole song to them and calling each example a miracle.
In the case of that particular song, that these mundane events are actually miraculous is the core of the song.

The verse 'I don't want to talk to a scientist, yall MF lying and getting me pissed' shows that this ignorance is deliberate...
 
3bodyproblem said:
And to be fair they would be complaining about her language, not her use of the word "miracles". :cool:
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Not at all. I would be complaining that she is encouraging an anti-science perspective. In fact, I would hold her more accountable.

As it stands, ICP is a joke band and people shouldn't take them seriously with that song.
 
joobz said:
Not at all. I would be complaining that she is encouraging an anti-science perspective. In fact, I would hold her more accountable.

As it stands, ICP is a joke band and people shouldn't take them seriously with that song.
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The problem is that they actively encourage the "LEARNING IS STUPID" thing even in interviews and the like. It seems like they actually think science is a bad thing.
 
Here is all you need to know about ICP, along with the song Miracles. I apologize in advance for how painful this is.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qq5_bgR8kd0&fmt=18

And no, ICP are not joking. Just read some interviews with them, the song miracles was serious, and so was the song I posted above. I actually had the displeasure of hearing Miracles before it was a single, and was a heavy critic of it back then. It just figures that it would be released as a single.
 
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Simon39759 said:
I think that there is a difference between making a passing remark to miracles for one verse and dedicating the whole song to them and calling each example a miracle.
In the case of that particular song, that these mundane events are actually miraculous is the core of the song.

The verse 'I don't want to talk to a scientist, yall MF lying and getting me pissed' shows that this ignorance is deliberate...
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Here's you "blah blah blah this is what they meant" (with all due respect :blush:)

Here's the artist: "I know the stuff isn’t really miracles. I think we might have misused the word miracle. I think that might mean something that has happened with no explanation. These things we mentioned in the song, they can all be explained. But what we’re doing is appreciating them. Even the infamous line, “Magnets, how do they work?” I mean, yeah, we know how magnets work. But they’re still incredible. You can push something across the table without touching it. And as a kid, I found that fascinating. I still find that fascinating."
 
3bodyproblem said:
Here's you "blah blah blah this is what they meant" (with all due respect :blush:)

Here's the artist: "I know the stuff isn’t really miracles. I think we might have misused the word miracle. I think that might mean something that has happened with no explanation. These things we mentioned in the song, they can all be explained. But what we’re doing is appreciating them. Even the infamous line, “Magnets, how do they work?” I mean, yeah, we know how magnets work. But they’re still incredible. You can push something across the table without touching it. And as a kid, I found that fascinating. I still find that fascinating."
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Well, isn't that nice. They promote an ignorant and airheaded outlook on life, and that doesn't change the line "I don't wanna talk to a scientist, yall' mother ****ers lyin', and gettin' me pissed.

3bodyproblem said:
There's one born every minute :rolleyes:
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Yep, all those hoards of Juggalos are in to them for their great satire.

http://www.reoiv.com/images/random/Going_to_the_funeral_BRB.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v294/mripx/1212450047622-2.jpg

Look up "Anabelle Lotus" for more information on this
 
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Zanders said:
Well, isn't that nice. They promote an ignorant and airheaded outlook on life, and that doesn't change the line "I don't wanna talk to a scientist, yall' mother ****ers lyin', and gettin' me pissed.
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FAIL meme

Zanders said:
Yep, all those hoards of Juggalos are in to them for their great satire.
http://www.reoiv.com/images/random/Going_to_the_funeral_BRB.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v294/mripx/1212450047622-2.jpg
Look up "Anabelle Lotus" for more information on this
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FAIL satire

Zanders said:
Just read some interviews with them, the song miracles was serious, and so was the song I posted above
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FAIL evidence
 
3bodyproblem said:
And to be fair they would be complaining about her language, not her use of the word "miracles". :cool:
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Really? You don't think the ignorance and promotion of ignorance would be mentioned? (It's also worth pointing out why expectations of the artists are different with the artist's background, audience, and usual lyrical content. Context is rather important.)


3bodyproblem said:
Here's you "blah blah blah this is what they meant" (with all due respect :blush:)

Here's the artist: "I know the stuff isn’t really miracles. I think we might have misused the word miracle. I think that might mean something that has happened with no explanation. These things we mentioned in the song, they can all be explained. But what we’re doing is appreciating them. Even the infamous line, “Magnets, how do they work?” I mean, yeah, we know how magnets work. But they’re still incredible. You can push something across the table without touching it. And as a kid, I found that fascinating. I still find that fascinating."
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You're the one putting words in people's mouth. We have quotes from ICP on the subject, quotes where they try to explain the song and their views on "how things work". I posted several interviews with them in this thread.

3bodyproblem said:
There's one born every minute :rolleyes:
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Please provide evidence that they are not serious. You are making a claim and dismissing evidence. You need to support that. We have their words where they are quite serious in being proud of ignorance. He is a recent (less than a week old) article:

The Guardian said:
Insane Clown Posse: a magnet for ignorance‎
The Guardian
By Louis Pattison
August 18, 2010

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... In this TV interview, filmed shortly after the Miracles video went viral, the host presents Insane Clown Posse with a book called The Way Things Work, featuring a chapter on exactly how magnets work. They do not, it's fair to say, look particularly happy.

"It's a lot funner being the dumb guy, because then you get to appreciate the beautiful things like all the miracles we talk about," says Violent J.

"Science can be real exciting," concedes Shaggy 2 Dope. "But I'd rather get what we call p**sy. Know what I'm saying?" Well, quite.
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Full: The Guardian

Regarding miracles, Violent J of ICP says it is "funner" to be "dumb" because being "dumb" allows you to "appreciate the beautiful things." Shaggy of ICP (the famed line "magnets how do they work") says he's more interested in sex learning about science when offered a book to explain magnets.

Two things:

1) Why are you dismissing ICP's words when they try to explain their perspective/song?

2) If you believe the song is an ICP joke then please offer evidence for this belief. ICP's statements that is better to be "dumb" than to know how something works is exactly why people are criticizing the song.
 
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Checkmite said:
I've never seen any evidence of this oft-repeated legend.

I don't believe that. A gimmick can make up for a lot of stupid.
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Agreed here. And for what's it is worth, I watched some interviews with ICP for this thread. In one Violent J said he is "broke."
 
If ICP's whole shtick is some kind of joke, then why does practically none of their own fan base seem to be in on it?
 
I wonder if they are really die hard Christians, and if that is the case, they might actually believe that God created magnetism, and rivers flowing, and long neck Giraffes, and therefore all of these things are in fact 'MIRACLES'.

If you listen to the song again, it is almost equal to a Creationist argument.

God created Giraffes, they are not really related to horses. MIRACLE
God created the earth, therefore Rivers flowing... MIRACLE
They don't say 'Natural Selection- MIRACLE'
 
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