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Coast to Coast AM Debate, August 21 2010

Sam.I.Am said:
I forget who it is here that has all of the 9/11 debates compiled in one location so if someone remembers who it is I'd appreciate it if you could PM him/her about these.
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That might be me Sam....

9/11debates.com fell by the wayside in in Jan/Feb when I had a serious illness.

I've been meaning to get it up and running again but just haven't had the time. I am definitely going to get stuck into it agian soon though and will gladly host it there.

Haven't downloaded your file yet will be doing so tonight and it's headed for my iPod soon as. Thanks for the effort btw.

Compus
 
And sorry, didn't want to get off topic.

Dave, great job with Gage, but I have to agree with Mackey that there are no fence sitters anymore. There are no people who are "weighing the evidence" because there is no evidence on the truther side to weigh. There are fancy terms and......
that's it! Fancy terms for truthers to refer to as an appeal to authority, but does not stand up to any scientific scrutiny. Which is why these "1200 professionals" do not get together to brainstorm theories, have not written any published papers themselves, and have not presented their theories to boards of their respective organizations! In short, Gage's "1200 professionals", is the equivalent of (and I'm stealing this from someone else) a facebook page of friends!

But Dave, I applaud you your efforts in dealing with Gage and exposing his incompetence and deception!
 
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cantonear1968 said:
And sorry, didn't want to get off topic.

Dave, great job with Gage, but I have to agree with Mackey that there are no fence sitters anymore. There are no people who are "weighing the evidence" because there is no evidence on the truther side to weigh. There are fancy terms and......
that's it! Fancy terms for truthers to refer to as an appeal to authority, but does not stand up to any scientific scrutiny. Which is why these "1200 professionals" do not get together to brainstorm theories, have not written any published papers themselves, and have not presented their theories to boards of their respective organizations! In short, Gage's "1200 professionals", is the equivalent of (and I'm stealing this from someone else) a facebook page of friends!

But Dave, I applaud you your efforts in dealing with Gage and exposing his incompetence and deception!
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Yes Dave destroyed `Richard Gage even more than Kim Hill did.````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````
 
bill smith said:
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No. I didn't say destroyed. I pointed out that there are those who believe in scientific facts and there are those who want to watch Gage rattle a pair of shiny keys in front of them.

Where do you come down Bill?
 
beachnut said:
If Gage believes that, Gage is mentally ill. However, he is a fraud spreading lies and taking money from ignorant people on 911.
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It was the one segment that actually made me laugh out loud. Hard! Gage was reacting to a statement from Dave, indignantly as if Dave tried to put words in his mouth, and then Gage rattled off that truther Gem!

I'm going to have to start using that as my signature!
 
rubber_ritchie said:
It's telling me "The file you are trying to access is temporarily unavailable."
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I just checked and got the same thing (you'd think that at least I could get to them).

The last one is still available.

All I can think of is that some DL limit has been met over the last 24 hours. Try again around 6pm PST is all I can suggest for now.

Hey what can you expect for free right?

If someone has a better host location they can either send me the info or put it up themselves.
 
CompusMentus said:
That might be me Sam....

9/11debates.com fell by the wayside in in Jan/Feb when I had a serious illness.

I've been meaning to get it up and running again but just haven't had the time. I am definitely going to get stuck into it agian soon though and will gladly host it there.

Haven't downloaded your file yet will be doing so tonight and it's headed for my iPod soon as. Thanks for the effort btw.

Compus
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For now we can post it in the thread that is in my sig. I don't wanna do it meself yet cause I wanna listen to it again and review it. I was trying to call in so the last 2 hours were kind of a blur to me.

cantonear1968 said:
It was the one segment that actually made me laugh out loud. Hard! Gage was reacting to a statement from Dave, indignantly as if Dave tried to put words in his mouth, and then Gage rattled off that truther Gem!

I'm going to have to start using that as my signature!
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Yeah I laughed out loud to that as well. And every time someone brought more assertions that dogs did in fact go over all the steel and Gage kept digging himself closer to China in denying it, I cracked up as well.
 
"It burns nice and bright and hot until its oxygen supply is used up. A coat of mystical thermite paint isn't going to burn long enough to do much of anything."
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Wasn't there like 10 tons of Thermite in the rubble? Paint? Pft...
How did building 7 go down again? No jet fuel in that one...
 
Hi PlanosLie! :sewelcome:

Thermite burns. If there was "10 tons of thermite" in the rubble, then that means it didn't burn. If the 10 tons of thermite did not burn, what brought the buildings down?

Also, thermite burns gravitationally, which is why we know that it couldn't have compromised a vertical column.
 
PlanosLie said:
"It burns nice and bright and hot until its oxygen supply is used up. A coat of mystical thermite paint isn't going to burn long enough to do much of anything."
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Wasn't there like 10 tons of Thermite in the rubble? Paint? Pft...
How did building 7 go down again? No jet fuel in that one...
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Thermite will burn without oxygen as well. If thermite was used, which it wasn't, they wouldn't be any in the rubble.
 
Sam.I.Am said:
3) The meat of the show (9 segments total) minus any segment that didn't have either guests or callers (I did however include the 1st hours show intro) (no doubled up segments in this one either) in 1 zipped mp3 file @32 kbs. http://www.megaupload.com/?d=1G1TQYDD (35,522 kb,~2.6 hours)

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This one is the smallest in size and the smaller 3-4 minute intro sections (bumpers) with no guests or callers involved are not included except for the ~4 minute intro at the very beginning of the show. This is essentially the debate and callers only.
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For those who don't like to download files, I made a video from this file and put it on my blog. I can't be seen/heard here:

http://911vids.blogspot.com/2010/08/coast-to-coast-am-911-debate.html
 
DaveThomasNMSR said:
That is, unless you think the collapse was some weird sort of quantum or cosmic physics that locally reduced the acceleration of gravity to two-thirds of its actual value.
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The lower than freefall acceleration value is easily possible if some minor resistance is left which can be overcome with a static load. You have no proof whatsoever of dynamic loads occurring and it is astonishing that you claim they did.

Regarding your claim that the velocity loss should be about 14.4 mph for the first impact, I disagree. I would rather use a calculation that adheres to the principle of conservation of momentum
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You can disagree all you want but the kinetic energy loss values we came up with in the Missing Jolt paper are a minimum for what would be necessary to continue the collapse. Conservation of momentum is not the whole story. The column strength needs to be overcome and conservation of momentum equations do not do the job there. You do not show any calculations to support your claims for what kind of energy dissipation would occur and the kinetic energy usage which would be necessary. The kinetic energy loss in going from 19 to 18 mph is ridiculously insufficient to cause the columns of the 97th and 99th stories to fail in the first collision which would have occurred.

You apparently don't see the fact that no deceleration is measurable in the descent of WTC 1 as a problem. I would be interested to hear your rationale as to why you don't, when every single Verinage demolition shows what would be expected in a naturally caused impulse driven type collapse, and that is a significant measurable deceleration of the roof line at impact between the intact upper and lower sections. This is in true even though none of those buildings were built with the column reserve strength of the Twin Towers.
 
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Tony Szamboti said:
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You can disagree all you want but the kinetic energy loss values we came up with in the Missing Jolt paper are a minimum for what would be necessary to continue the collapse. Conservation of momentum is not the whole story. ... .
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Nonsense. Prove it! Publish a paper in a real journal and show your proof! You and Gage have all those experts; do it! lol

Do you support all of Gage's delusions he made public on Coast to Coast? You guys have failed for 8 years to produce any evidence.
 
Rage_Against_Machine said:
Thuder wrote on page 1...

my prediction?

no one will care. this story is over.


14 pages later shows more BS lies from JREF'ers
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This is the all-time best GOTCHA!

Who cares if the controlled demolition "hypothesis" is laughable, my own misrepresentaion of Thuder[sic]'s prediction was WRONG! WRONG! WRONG! [cue: hysterical cackling]
 
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